---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/14/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:24 AM - Re: batteries (R.C.Harrison) 2. 12:31 AM - Re: Trailering (Richard Iddon) 3. 02:24 AM - Re: Trailering (Roger Anderson) 4. 04:19 AM - Re: Trailering (R.C.Harrison) 5. 09:19 AM - Project For Sale (Jim Butcher) 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Project For Sale (Thomas Scherer) 7. 03:38 PM - Re: Trailering (Keith Hickling) 8. 05:07 PM - Re: Engine Assistance Please (Alan Burrows) 9. 06:13 PM - Less hair raising landings (Steve Hagar) 10. 06:48 PM - Re: Less hair raising landings (Steve Crimm) 11. 09:26 PM - Re: Less hair raising landings (GLENN CROWDER) 12. 09:26 PM - Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:49 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: batteries --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Kingsley Yes of course I understand the compressions sequences re. four stroke six cylinder versus 4 cylinder but the point I make is also contained in your own statement .....that when the current compression cylinder is being pushed over top dead centre there is also one soon following it's compression stroke on the six configuration needing more effort from the starter to get up the required momentum for the following compressions. All very relevant ....well in the early stages when the compressions are half decent ! That's why the six sounds like a sewing machine. It's just a shame the torque produced at the end of all that activity isn't so precisely described by the manufacturers in comparison with other engines of half the cubic capacity .....difference between Australian Ponies and real time Horses ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG (waiting for the ultimate comparison!) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering Jerry, I made a wing dolly based on designs I found on the 'net and with input from other fliers over here. Couple of pic's attached. Works a treat and I can single handedly rig and derig in about 15 minutes. Cost me about very little for the bits plus a couple of days work to put together. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 12/10/2006 -- 12/10/2006 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:50 AM PST US From: "Roger Anderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering I'm looking for the methods and things folks have done to make the wings easier to re-rig. It is always a hit and miss to line up pins spars and all. I have fitted a guide on the seat back to help line up the port spar and a guide on the port spar to help line up the starboard spar with their appropriate cups. It is not foolproof but it does help. I modified an old golf trolley to support the end of the wing for single handed rigging and modified the spar retaining loops on the trailer to pivot and rotate through ninety degrees. This enables me to rig and de-rig single handed every time that I fly, and at a very leisurely rate it takes me less than half an hour, including fitting the radio and GPS - both of which are 'hand held'. Roger (G-BXTD) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:33 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering Hi! Roger, My flap close outs embody a funnel like guide which picks up the flap and guides it on to the flap drive tube. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG repairing and preparing during the 6 month wait for a Rotax 914 ! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Anderson Sent: 14 October 2006 10:23 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering I'm looking for the methods and things folks have done to make the wings easier to re-rig. It is always a hit and miss to line up pins spars and all. I have fitted a guide on the seat back to help line up the port spar and a guide on the port spar to help line up the starboard spar with their appropriate cups. It is not foolproof but it does help. I modified an old golf trolley to support the end of the wing for single handed rigging and modified the spar retaining loops on the trailer to pivot and rotate through ninety degrees. This enables me to rig and de-rig single handed every time that I fly, and at a very leisurely rate it takes me less than half an hour, including fitting the radio and GPS - both of which are 'hand held'. Roger (G-BXTD) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Project For Sale There is a Tri Gear Motorglider project for sale in Jackson, Michigan. The owner is Nihl Storey and he may be contacted at 517-617-1388. This is one of the last kits delivered by EMIL in the US (Fall, 2003) and has the cockpit width mod incorporated. All the fast build options (control surfaces & cockpit module) were purchased. The cockpit module is installed. The fuselage is on the gear. The port wing is nearly complete. The glider wing controls are installed. Nihl is 72 and wants to fly. He purchased a Sea Rey kit and completed first flight this summer. He is enjoying flying the Sea Rey and figures he will not continue work on the Europa. He is open to reasonable offers. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:02 AM PST US From: "Thomas Scherer" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Project For Sale Please nobody buy that kit... just kidding - but you'd need to beat me at it as I am in major need of glider wings for an attempt to fly high and far with N81EU. Anybody needs a fuselage ... be well, ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Butcher To: europalist Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Europa-List: Project For Sale There is a Tri Gear Motorglider project for sale in Jackson, Michigan. The owner is Nihl Storey and he may be contacted at 517-617-1388. This is one of the last kits delivered by EMIL in the US (Fall, 2003) and has the cockpit width mod incorporated. All the fast build options (control surfaces & cockpit module) were purchased. The cockpit module is installed. The fuselage is on the gear. The port wing is nearly complete. The glider wing controls are installed. Nihl is 72 and wants to fly. He purchased a Sea Rey kit and completed first flight this summer. He is enjoying flying the Sea Rey and figures he will not continue work on the Europa. He is open to reasonable offers. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:36 PM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering Hi Rickard, This dolly looks very nice. Any chance of some more detailed pictures and or drawings showing pivot points, height adjustment and locking, dimensions etc? Regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS Mono, fuse top on, wings ready to close. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Iddon To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering Jerry, I made a wing dolly based on designs I found on the 'net and with input from other fliers over here. Couple of pic's attached. Works a treat and I can single handedly rig and derig in about 15 minutes. Cost me about very little for the bits plus a couple of days work to put together. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 12/10/2006 -- 12/10/2006 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:10 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine Assistance Please --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Many thanks to all that offered help and advise on the Jabaru engine. I have passed it on, together with details of other aircraft for sale, so hopefully we will have another convert in our midst shortly. Cheers Alan Burrows ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:47 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems that way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to cha se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time to do. Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. Enough rambling for now. Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:02 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings Steve, I use a Lowrance AirMap 1000 http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/Products/AM1000.asp works well and the large display is great for old eyes. BTW congrates on taming the beast. Steve N42AH _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 21:18 Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems th at way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to chase an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time to do. Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. Enough rambling for now. Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:06 PM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" Hey Steve! Way to go buddy! I have used the crab in and kick it straight technique many times but recently started trying the forward slip in to landing technique keeping the aircraft continually alligned with the runway down short final. I have decided this is much less workload for me as there is no rotational inertia to deal with at the last second or trying to guess exactly when the main is going to touch down. The aircraft is held straight so whenever it touches down it is alligned with the runway. Perfectly straight rollouts every time (well almost). Much easier at least for me on pavement. On heavy turf possibly the crab technique would work better as the low side outrigger could catch on brush but on pavement no worries! Glenn >From: "Steve Hagar" >To: "europa-list" >Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings >Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:18:04 -0700 > >After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming >apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the >brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very >satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain >experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 >degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get >the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here >many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying >to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of >the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was >permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, >basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical >movements. It seems that way you are automatically ahead of the plane >rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to cha > se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me >awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight >or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make >the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. > >The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique >down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. >out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I >will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it >assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and >pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the >wings that takes a little time to do. > >Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the >gas pump reads at a certain particular station. > >Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after >initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some >speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make >it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening >inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to >close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? > >Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. > >The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. > It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. > >My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can >hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out >there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I >don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some >airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a >compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low >tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No >need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross >country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was >nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. > >Enough rambling for now. > >Steve Hagar >A143 >N40SH > > >Steve Hagar >hagargs@earthlink.net _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:06 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: How did you finish the aluminium fuel filler tube (the tube the fuel cap fastens to)? The aluminium appears to be plated? (Anozized?) Did you fill and paint to the edge of the aluminium? Paint the aluminium? Perhaps 1 layer redux/BID over the tapered part of the filler, and fill and paint and really make things smooth and flowing? How is your way of finishing holding up in service? Picture? Thx. Ron Parigoris