---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/15/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Trailering (Richard Iddon) 2. 02:52 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (David Joyce) 3. 02:53 AM - Trailer for sale (David Joyce) 4. 03:10 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (Gilles Thesee) 5. 04:52 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (Steve Hagar) 6. 04:55 AM - Re: Engine Assistance Please (R.C.Harrison) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings (Craig Ellison) 8. 08:47 AM - Re: Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? (Rman) 9. 10:58 AM - DOTH Mon 16th Wycombe Air Park (Paddy Clarke) 10. 12:02 PM - Re: Trailer for sale (Mike Gamble) 11. 01:09 PM - UMA pressure sensor output (Tony Krzyzewski) 12. 01:49 PM - XS Mono Trailer Required (Mike Gamble) 13. 04:07 PM - Re: Trailering (Jerry Rehn) 14. 04:11 PM - Re: XS Mono Trailer Required (Hans Siedsma) 15. 06:37 PM - Re: Less hair raising landings (Gary R Roberts) 16. 10:12 PM - Woodcomp SR 2000/3 for sale (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:15 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering Keith, The Picture is of the professionally made model which I copied. More details can be found on HYPERLINK "http://www.wingdolly.reach.net/prices.html"http://www.wingdolly.reach.n et/prices.html . Mine did not have vertical adjustment which I don=92t find a problem as I am only using it for the one airplane. I made it so that the dolly sits about 1 foot inboard of the end of the wing with the =91plane rigged. Up and down adjustment can be made by moving it further inboard or outboard. I made the cradle by taking a splash moulding of the wing at this point using polyester resin & chopped strand mat with an odd layer of bid and reinforcing it with some tubing glassed onto the reverse side. My pivot point is about 20in. back from the leading edge. I also had input from Bob Harrison G-PTAG and William Mills G-HOFC who have also made similar dollies. Hope this helps. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hickling Sent: 14 October 2006 23:36 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering Hi Rickard, This dolly looks very nice. Any chance of some more detailed pictures and or drawings showing pivot points, height adjustment and locking, dimensions etc? Regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS Mono, fuse top on, wings ready to close. ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:riddon@sent.com"Richard Iddon "mailto:europa-list@matronics.com"europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering Jerry, I made a wing dolly based on designs I found on the =91net and with input from other fliers over here. Couple of pic=92s attached. Works a treat and I can single handedly rig and derig in about 15 minutes. Cost me about very little for the bits plus a couple of days work to put together. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 12/10/2006 -- 12/10/2006 "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 12/10/2006 -- 14/10/2006 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:00 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Steve, Great to hear you have cracked landing the mono. Many of us are still trying to work it out! Your comment about thinking of foot pressure, rather than movement, is key to keeping it from snaking down the runway for me. Your remark about crab angle led me to wonder whether you have calculated that with a 60 knot approach, the crab angle is the same as the cross wind. i.e. a crab angle of 20 degrees indicates a cross wind of 20 knots, assuming you are in a stable approach, proceeding down runway centreline. I mention it because if I find myself still crabbing at 20 degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative runway! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hagar" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:18 AM Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings > After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems that way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to cha > se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. > > The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time to do. > > Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. > > Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? > > Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. > > The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. > > My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. > > Enough rambling for now. > > Steve Hagar > A143 > N40SH > > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > ________________________________________________________________________ > > NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or nominate before 31st October > http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:52 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Trailer for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Richard Glover, (the owner of my hangar at Kemble), has an open 'Europa' trailer for sale. It is a slightly unusual design, but solid and with good suspension, previously used for a mono on a cradle but readily convertible to use with a trike. Basically in good condition but would need a bit of fine tuning/modification. He is asking for 400 but open to offers. Contact no 01285 770101 I have pictures of trailer and will happily email to anyone interested. Regards, David Joyce ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:49 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Hi all, > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative > runway! > By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a conventional airplane. Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? Thanks, Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:15 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" It was gusty, I didn't have my calibrated left right nose indicator on. For me "about" 20 degrees when concentrating on keeping the ends from swapping means "more than ten and less than thirty!" So no I had not calculated a cross wind component. If it were blowing that hard and steady the tower probably would have noted it. Also note I have a lot of room to work with, as all the municiple airports out here are WW-II AF training training bases. Falcon field was set up to train British Pilots in 1941. Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: David Joyce > To: > Date: 10/15/2006 2:57:49 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > Steve, Great to hear you have cracked landing the mono. Many of us are still > trying to work it out! Your comment about thinking of foot pressure, rather > than movement, is key to keeping it from snaking down the runway for me. > Your remark about crab angle led me to wonder whether you have > calculated that with a 60 knot approach, the crab angle is the same as the > cross wind. i.e. a crab angle of 20 degrees indicates a cross wind of 20 > knots, assuming you are in a stable approach, proceeding down runway > centreline. I mention it because if I find myself still crabbing at 20 > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative > runway! > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Hagar" > To: "europa-list" > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:18 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings > > > > After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming > apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. > Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying > knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to > boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the > runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to > straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the > secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy > boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old > tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra > paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to > consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems that way > you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch > of footwork to cha > > se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me > awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight > or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make > the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. > > > > The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique > down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. > out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will > probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles > and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to > the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that > takes a little time to do. > > > > Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what > the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. > > > > Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after > initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed > going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look > like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the > NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off > when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? > > > > Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. > > > > The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every > way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. > > > > My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can > hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out > there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I > don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some > airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a > compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low > tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No > need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross > country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice > to have when droning back from Oshkosh. > > > > Enough rambling for now. > > > > Steve Hagar > > A143 > > N40SH > > > > > > > > > > Steve Hagar > > hagargs@earthlink.net > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or > nominate before 31st October > > http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:00 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine Assistance Please --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Alan He's not spoken to me yet but probably understands with "NO SPEAK" since I'm changing to a 914 ! I have messaged him though but briefly since it was late.. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 15 October 2006 01:06 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine Assistance Please --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Many thanks to all that offered help and advise on the Jabaru engine. I have passed it on, together with details of other aircraft for sale, so hopefully we will have another convert in our midst shortly. Cheers Alan Burrows ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:37 AM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings Steve, I mounted the AvfMap-IV in my pannel. It has the one of the largest, sharpest,and brightest screen of any GPS/moving map out there. I love it. craig ellison A205 N205CN 58 hr ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Crimm To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings Steve, I use a Lowrance AirMap 1000 http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/Products/AM1000.asp works well and the large display is great for old eyes. BTW congrates on taming the beast. Steve N42AH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 21:18 To: europa-list Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems th at way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to chase an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time to do. Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. Enough rambling for now. Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:52 AM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman Glued mine in, per specs and painted up to it. Works fine and has no deteriation, due to weather... Jeff - Baby Blue 223 hrs rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: > >How did you finish the aluminium fuel filler tube (the tube the fuel cap >fastens to)? > >The aluminium appears to be plated? (Anozized?) > >Did you fill and paint to the edge of the aluminium? > >Paint the aluminium? > >Perhaps 1 layer redux/BID over the tapered part of the filler, and fill >and paint and really make things smooth and flowing? > >How is your way of finishing holding up in service? Picture? > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:03 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Mon 16th Wycombe Air Park --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All, Who fancies a DOTH to Wycombe Air Park ( Booker ) tomorrow, Monday?. The weather is forecast to clear up and it is unusual to find this place with a voucher - in Flyer. 1200 ish. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:26 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" David, I am in the market for a mono XS trailer. Can you confirm whether this one is for the XS (with the hinged spar supports)?. Is it a factory made model? What age and condition? Please send any photos you may have to me off line.] Thanks and regards Mike XS mono 440 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: UMA pressure sensor output From: "Tony Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" Quite a few people have asked for this so I thought I'd post it to the group. These output voltages are for the 912 and 914 UMA fuel pressure sensors. Engine PSI UMA Voltage Status Lights 0 0.02 Low Warning 1 0.78 Low Warning 2 1.38 Low Warning 1.8 Low Warning 3 2.01 4 2.66 5 3.24 3.25 High Warning 6 3.87 High Warning 7 4.44 High Warning Regards Tony ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:38 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono. Have you got one tucked away somewhere. Details of condition and price to Mike Gamble based in Camberley, Surrey. Thanks ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:21 PM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering Thanks to all for your trailer responses. I have another "winter" project now. Will let you know how it works out. Regards Jerry ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:09 PM PST US From: "Hans Siedsma" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required Hi Mike, I know two mono trailers. One is in use by me carrying my wing during my building process. The owner has two both bought from Europe aircraft. He just has his monowheel converted to a Tri Gear. If you are interested I will ask him if he willing to sell. regards, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens Mike Gamble Verzonden: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:48 PM Aan: Europa-List@Matronics.Com Onderwerp: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono. Have you got one tucked away somewhere. Details of condition and price to Mike Gamble based in Camberley, Surrey. Thanks ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings From: Gary R Roberts Steve, RE: " I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this?" Look at Van's Aircraft accessories. There is a simple $18 sheetmetal door kit that might work for you. Pretty slick. GRoberts A187 On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:18:04 -0700 "Steve Hagar" writes: After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems th at way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to chase an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile. The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time to do. Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas pump reads at a certain particular station. Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this? Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate. The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls. My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh. Enough rambling for now. Steve Hagar A143 N40SH Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:19 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000/3 for sale If anyone in the UK is interested in purchasing a second-hand Woodcomp SR 2000/3 VP propeller, please contact me off forum. william@wrmills.plus.com Do not archive