---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/16/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (David Joyce) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (William Mills) 3. 04:55 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (David Joyce) 4. 05:37 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (R.C.Harrison) 5. 07:03 AM - Re: XS Mono Trailer Required (Mike Gamble) 6. 10:07 AM - Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle (Rman) 7. 10:28 AM - Re: DOTH Mon 16th Wycombe Air Park (Paddy Clarke) 8. 04:32 PM - Re: XS Mono Trailer Required (Hans Siedsma) 9. 07:02 PM - coolant issues? (Ralph Hallett) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:17 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind limit, which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees might be bad for your health! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Thesee" Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > > Hi all, > > > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 > > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative > > runway! > > > > By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the > monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a > conventional airplane. > Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there > any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? > > Thanks, > Regards, > Gilles Thesee > Grenoble, France > http://contrails.free.fr > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or nominate before 31st October > http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:44 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" David, Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the right) when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a bit conservative!!! Regards, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > > Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind limit, > which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees > might be bad for your health! > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gilles Thesee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > >> >> Hi all, >> >> > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 >> > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an > alternative >> > runway! >> > >> >> By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the >> monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a >> conventional airplane. >> Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there >> any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? >> >> Thanks, >> Regards, >> Gilles Thesee >> Grenoble, France >> http://contrails.free.fr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or > nominate before 31st October >> http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:16 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" William You and I have survived somewhat worse than 15 kts but we both were very close to ending in the brown stuff at Lanzarote! Cheers, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mills" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > David, > Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the right) > when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a bit > conservative!!! > Regards, > William > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Joyce" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > > > > > Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind limit, > > which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees > > might be bad for your health! > > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gilles Thesee" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:07 AM > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > > > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 > >> > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an > > alternative > >> > runway! > >> > > >> > >> By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the > >> monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a > >> conventional airplane. > >> Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there > >> any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Regards, > >> Gilles Thesee > >> Grenoble, France > >> http://contrails.free.fr > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or > > nominate before 31st October > >> http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > The Health and Social Care Awards 2006, rewarding excellence in health and social care: apply or nominate before 31st October > > http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:33 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! William So what was Ivor doing running along the wing like stabilising a yacht ! BTW I've done with Mono landings thanks !!!!! Regards Bob H . Do not archive..... -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Sent: 16 October 2006 11:47 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" David, Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the right) when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a bit conservative!!! Regards, William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > > > Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind limit, > which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees > might be bad for your health! > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gilles Thesee" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > >> >> Hi all, >> >> > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 >> > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an > alternative >> > runway! >> > >> >> By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the >> monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a >> conventional airplane. >> Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there >> any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? >> >> Thanks, >> Regards, >> Gilles Thesee >> Grenoble, France >> http://contrails.free.fr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or > nominate before 31st October >> http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:04 AM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required Thank you Hans. Please pass on my enquiry. Is the trailer built for the XS (with the hinged spar supports? Where is it located as transport could be a bit of a problem? Regards Mike ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:11 AM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman William and all, Mary and I encountered a simillar situation, after leaving Sun-N-Fun. Winds 26, gusting to 32, 80degrees from the right. A bit of a hairy situation, but, crabbing in, under power, with a last second kick from the rudder saved the day. This little tri-gear is a lot tougher than the book gives credit for... Jeff - Baby Blue 223 hours William Mills wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" > > > David, > Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the > right) when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a > bit conservative!!! > Regards, > William > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" > > To: > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" >> >> >> Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind >> limit, >> which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees >> might be bad for your health! >> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Thesee" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle >> >> >>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee >> >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> > if I find myself still crabbing at 20 >>> > degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an >> >> alternative >> >>> > runway! >>> > >>> >>> By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the >>> monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a >>> conventional airplane. >>> Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there >>> any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Regards, >>> Gilles Thesee >>> Grenoble, France >>> http://contrails.free.fr >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> NHSi Awards, rewarding excellence in health and social care - apply or >> >> nominate before 31st October >> >>> http://www.doctors.net.uk/HSCAwards >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:47 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Mon 16th Wycombe Air Park --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All, Apologies to anyone who got to Wycombe, for my not making it. The vis here never got over 2km and William Mills suffered a thunder storm as well. I'll try again when the weather picks up, Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:43 PM PST US From: "Hans Siedsma" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required The trailers are for the XS. The transport I believe is no problem because we picked them up in Uk. I will contact you later becasue I am at the moment in USA. best regards, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens Mike Gamble Verzonden: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:01 PM Aan: europa-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Re: Europa-List: XS Mono Trailer Required Thank you Hans. Please pass on my enquiry. Is the trailer built for the XS (with the hinged spar supports? Where is it located as transport could be a bit of a problem? Regards Mike ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:35 PM PST US From: Ralph Hallett Subject: Europa-List: coolant issues? --> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett Has anyone hear of issues with the new coolant being used in Rotax 914s? This is part of a message I received from a fellow Europa pilot. "...I just heard today that the new waterless fluid is flammable. I saw it burn today/ Stemme has issued an urgent SB to remove the stuff - I heard 2 fatalities of coolant leak catching fire. The 50 - 50 solution will not burn. Oh well! Have you heard anything about this? I also discovered that the 100% solution of antifreeze burns too..."