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Thu 10/19/06


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     1. 01:56 AM - Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines (G-IANI)
     2. 08:10 AM - Re: First Flight N108EA (sldpileit@aol.com)
     3. 09:05 AM - Re: First Flight N108EA (Europa List)
     4. 09:59 AM - Re: First Flight N108EA (JEFF ROBERTS)
     5. 10:02 AM - Re: First Flight N108EA (Steve Crimm)
     6. 10:45 AM - 912s runs rough (sldpileit@aol.com)
     7. 10:54 AM - Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines (Alan Burrows)
     8. 11:00 AM - Re: 912s runs rough (Gilles Thesee)
     9. 11:07 AM - Re: coolant issues? (Gilles Thesee)
    10. 11:53 AM - =?iso-8859-1?B?UulmLiA6IFJlOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogY29vbGFudCBpc3N1ZXM/?= 	 (ROSALIE)
    11. 11:56 AM - Re: 912s runs rough (Richard Iddon)
    12. 11:56 AM - Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines (Richard Iddon)
    13. 12:34 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (Rman)
    14. 12:34 PM - Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines (Rman)
    15. 12:34 PM - Re: First Flight N108EA (Rman)
    16. 01:04 PM - Re: First Flight N108EA (steve v)
    17. 01:29 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    18. 01:35 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    19. 01:50 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (Gilles Thesee)
    20. 02:06 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (BEBERRY@aol.com)
    21. 05:52 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (SPurpura@aol.com)
    22. 10:27 PM - Re: 912s runs rough (William Mills)
    23. 10:27 PM - Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines (William Mills)
    24. 11:02 PM - Re: 912s runs rough ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:56:00 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE
    BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Karl, It is covered in the maintenance manual section 12.3.11 (Page 96). There appears to be nothing new in the service bulletin. I think the reason for all the fuss is that some owners do not notice it is a torx bolt and try and remove it with an Allen key (I have seen this done). The plug is also in very tight as it comes from the factory so the likelihood of damaging it are high. Once you have got it out for the first time the head is drilled for lock wire so lock it when you put it back. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 08:10:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight N108EA
    From: sldpileit@aol.com
    The empty weight of N108EA is 845 lbs. The prop is a prince p-tip 62"dia and 83" pitch. This was a borrowed prop from Bob Burbe at flightcrafters. I'm having my own built at prince P-tip. It will be 62" and *82 pitch. Should be ready in about another week or two. Zephrhills is a really nice airport with 2 long hard service runways. Both are about 4 or 5 thousand feet long. Flightcrafters in located on the field, and that made life so much easier. The insurance company had taken my money for five years knowing that I was building a monnwheel. When I ask for a quote for a flying policy they refused. No one in the US is selling policies for monowheels. I had no choice but to change to conventional tail dragger or tri-gear. Sense I had already gotten my tail wheel endorsement I elected to go with the conventional gear. It's a Bob Burbe design and I'm really happy with it. It's a ball to fly. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM -----Original Message----- From: bdavies@dircon.co.uk Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA Many congratulations Scott. Now the fun really begins! For the records, can you tell me the weight of the aircraft, the propeller system and the airport details. Total build hours would be helpful too. The records show your aircraft was a monowheel. Conventional gear is normally a standard tail dragger. Have you converted it? I know you would rather be flying than answering questions but it would help future builders . Best regards Brian Davies From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sldpileit@aol.com Sent: 17 October 2006 13:47 Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA After 5 years my conventional gear Europa N108EA took to the skys over Zephrhills Florida 16 Sep 2006. At the controls was test pilot Lee Orminick. All went very well and I owe many thanks to the Guys at Flightcrafters for helping me relize my dream. I have a 912s for power, Dyno EFIS, and EMS systems, also a 2 axis auto pilot tied into a Garmin 296 GPS. Thanks again guys! MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron -- -- 12/10/2006 ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 09:05:33 AM PST US
    From: "Europa List" <n914va@bvunet.net>
    Subject: Re: First Flight N108EA
    I couldn't even get insurance while I transported my kit, so I have decided to go the non-insured route. Even after you pay for insurance after years on end, when you go to file a claim, the chances of recovering your total value lost is practically nil. When I run for president, the first two planks in my platform will be to eliminate insurance entirely and to disbar 95% of all lawyers, with more to follow if nescessary. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA (gathering dust in the shed, no money - no build) ----- Original Message ----- From: sldpileit@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA The empty weight of N108EA is 845 lbs. The prop is a prince p-tip 62"dia and 83" pitch. This was a borrowed prop from Bob Burbe at flightcrafters. I'm having my own built at prince P-tip. It will be 62" and *82 pitch. Should be ready in about another week or two. Zephrhills is a really nice airport with 2 long hard service runways. Both are about 4 or 5 thousand feet long. Flightcrafters in located on the field, and that made life so much easier. The insurance company had taken my money for five years knowing that I was building a monnwheel. When I ask for a quote for a flying policy they refused. No one in the US is selling policies for monowheels. I had no choice but to change to conventional tail dragger or tri-gear. Sense I had already gotten my tail wheel endorsement I elected to go with the conventional gear. It's a Bob Burbe design and I'm really happy with it. It's a ball to fly. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM -----Original Message----- From: bdavies@dircon.co.uk To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA Many congratulations Scott. Now the fun really begins! For the records, can you tell me the weight of the aircraft, the propeller system and the airport details. Total build hours would be helpful too. The records show your aircraft was a monowheel. Conventional gear is normally a standard tail dragger. Have you converted it? I know you would rather be flying than answering questions but it would help future builders . Best regards Brian Davies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sldpileit@aol.com Sent: 17 October 2006 13:47 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA After 5 years my conventional gear Europa N108EA took to the skys over Zephrhills Florida 16 Sep 2006. At the controls was test pilot Lee Orminick. All went very well and I owe many thanks to the Guys at Flightcrafters for helping me relize my dream. I have a 912s for power, Dyno EFIS, and EMS systems, also a 2 axis auto pilot tied into a Garmin 296 GPS. Thanks again guys! MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron -- -- 12/10/2006


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    Time: 09:59:40 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: First Flight N108EA
    Hear Hear. I also was turned down until I had 10 hours on the plane. Let me know where you'll be on the ballot and If your not on it, I'm writing you in! I'm also non insured and I don't want to be! Jeff A258 Gold Rush (Just signed her off the 40. ( I'm FREE! ;) Screw the lawers! On Oct 19, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Europa List wrote: > I couldn't even get insurance while I transported my kit, so I have > decided to go the non-insured route. Even after you pay for insurance > after years on end, when you go to file a claim, the chances of > recovering your total value lost is practically nil. When I run for > president, the first two planks in my platform will be to eliminate > insurance entirely and to disbar 95% of all lawyers, with more to > follow if nescessary. > - > Vaughn Teegarden > N914VA (gathering dust in the shed, no money - no build) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sldpileit@aol.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > The empty weight of N108EA is 845 lbs. The prop is a prince p-tip > 62"dia and 83" pitch. This was a borrowed prop from Bob Burbe at > flightcrafters. I'm having my own built at prince-P-tip. It will be > 62" and *82 pitch. Should be ready in about another week or two. > Zephrhills is a really nice-airport with 2 long hard-service runways. > Both are about 4 or 5 thousand feet long. Flightcrafters in located on > the field, and that made life so much easier. The insurance company > had taken my money for five years knowing that I was building a > monnwheel. When I ask for a quote for a flying policy they refused. No > one in the US is selling policies for monowheels. I had no choice but > to change to conventional tail dragger or tri-gear. Sense I had > already gotten my tail wheel endorsement I elected to go with the > conventional gear. It's a Bob Burbe design and I'm really happy with > it. It's a ball to fly.- > - > MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR > SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM > - > - > -----Original Message----- > From: bdavies@dircon.co.uk > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33 AM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > > Many congratulations Scott.- Now the fun really begins!- For the > records, can you tell me the weight of the aircraft, the propeller > system and the airport details.- Total build hours would be helpful > too. The records show your aircraft was a monowheel.- Conventional > gear is normally a standard tail dragger.- Have you converted it? > - > I know you would rather be flying than answering questions but it > would help future builders . > - > Best regards > - > Brian Davies > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > sldpileit@aol.com > Sent: 17 October 2006 13:47 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > After 5 years my conventional gear Europa N108EA took to the skys over > Zephrhills Florida 16 Sep 2006. At the controls was test pilot Lee > Orminick. All went very well and I owe many thanks to the Guys at > Flightcrafters for helping me relize my dream. I have a 912s for > power, Dyno EFIS, and EMS systems, also a 2 axis auto pilot tied into > a Garmin 296 GPS. Thanks again guys! > - > MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR > SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron > > > -- > > > -- > 12/10/2006 > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron > >


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    Time: 10:02:00 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
    Subject: First Flight N108EA
    Aircraft insurance...what a pain in the butt. For two years my broker of record was USAA general insurance agency and the underwriter was AIG for my monowheel motor glider N42AH. Then USAA decided to get out of the aviation insurance business and sold their book of business to Falcon Insurance. Falcon was able to also quote rates also from AIG. In the mean time I had about the program thru the SSA association. I finally was able to get my broker of recorded changed and got a quote from Costello www.gliderinsurance.com thru SSA group plan underwritten by AIG for almost $500 less than before. Give them a shout and see what they can do for you. They cover not only the aircraft, the trailer and coverage when towing the aircraft on the trailer and cheaper, they also will allow me to lower the rate if it is parked for 90 days in the winter. Works for me. Steve _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa List Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:04 Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA I couldn't even get insurance while I transported my kit, so I have decided to go the non-insured route. Even after you pay for insurance after years on end, when you go to file a claim, the chances of recovering your total value lost is practically nil. When I run for president, the first two planks in my platform will be to eliminate insurance entirely and to disbar 95% of all lawyers, with more to follow if nescessary. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA (gathering dust in the shed, no money - no build) ----- Original Message ----- From: sldpileit@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA The empty weight of N108EA is 845 lbs. The prop is a prince p-tip 62"dia and 83" pitch. This was a borrowed prop from Bob Burbe at flightcrafters. I'm having my own built at prince P-tip. It will be 62" and *82 pitch. Should be ready in about another week or two. Zephrhills is a really nice airport with 2 long hard service runways. Both are about 4 or 5 thousand feet long. Flightcrafters in located on the field, and that made life so much easier. The insurance company had taken my money for five years knowing that I was building a monnwheel. When I ask for a quote for a flying policy they refused. No one in the US is selling policies for monowheels. I had no choice but to change to conventional tail dragger or tri-gear. Sense I had already gotten my tail wheel endorsement I elected to go with the conventional gear. It's a Bob Burbe design and I'm really happy with it. It's a ball to fly. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM -----Original Message----- From: bdavies@dircon.co.uk Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA Many congratulations Scott. Now the fun really begins! For the records, can you tell me the weight of the aircraft, the propeller system and the airport details. Total build hours would be helpful too. The records show your aircraft was a monowheel. Conventional gear is normally a standard tail dragger. Have you converted it? I know you would rather be flying than answering questions but it would help future builders . Best regards Brian Davies _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sldpileit@aol.com Sent: 17 October 2006 13:47 Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA After 5 years my conventional gear Europa N108EA took to the skys over Zephrhills Florida 16 Sep 2006. At the controls was test pilot Lee Orminick. All went very well and I owe many thanks to the Guys at Flightcrafters for helping me relize my dream. I have a 912s for power, Dyno EFIS, and EMS systems, also a 2 axis auto pilot tied into a Garmin 296 GPS. Thanks again guys! MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron -- -- 12/10/2006 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron


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    Time: 10:45:44 AM PST US
    Subject: 912s runs rough
    From: sldpileit@aol.com
    Ok guys and gals, I would love some help with this one. After 15 hrs of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like its missing on a climbing crosswind turn. Filters have been chg'd and also the spark plugs. I've had the carbs redone and tanked at rotax in Sebring Florida. I still have the same problem. the engine runs very smooth untill you get in that climbing crosswind turn. Very unnerving. I have also chg'd out the gas (from aviation to car) Still have the same problem. I can reduce the throttle to below 4500 rpm and missing goes away. I have tried to sneak up on the throttle in straight and level downwind, but the missing returns. I would love to hear from you guys on this one. The tech's at rotax are running out of ideas. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 10:54:18 AM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE
    BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Ian Where is this plug. Is it the one we remove at the bottom of the oil tank to drain the oil ? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 19 October 2006 09:54 Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Karl, It is covered in the maintenance manual section 12.3.11 (Page 96). There appears to be nothing new in the service bulletin. I think the reason for all the fuss is that some owners do not notice it is a torx bolt and try and remove it with an Allen key (I have seen this done). The plug is also in very tight as it comes from the factory so the likelihood of damaging it are high. Once you have got it out for the first time the head is drilled for lock wire so lock it when you put it back. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com --


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    Time: 11:00:39 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> sldpileit@aol.com a crit : > Ok guys and gals, I would love some help with this one. After 15 hrs > of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like > its missing on a climbing crosswind turn. Filters have been chg'd > and also the spark plugs. I've had the carbs redone and tanked at > rotax in Sebring Florida. I still have the same problem. the engine > runs very smooth untill you get in that climbing crosswind turn. Very > unnerving. I have also chg'd out the gas (from aviation to car) Still > have the same problem. I can reduce the throttle to below 4500 rpm and > missing goes away. I have tried to sneak up on the throt tle in > straight and level downwind, but the missing returns. I would love to > hear from you guys on this one. The tech's at rotax are running out of > ideas. Hi, The fact that the problem goes away when you reduce throttle seems an indication of some (partial) fuel starvation. Does the engine shake and spit back ? Have you made sure to rule out any airframe issue ? Qty in tank(s) Boost pump on or off ? Air trapped in lines (I've seen some tortuous fuel line routing) Kinked fuel line (some Europas seem to have hose fuel lines between tank and firewall) Location of pickup relative to tank in a climb Swarf/dirt/water in tank Blocked pick-up screen Blocked tank vents Etc... BTW, what if you don't take that climbing turn, and continue straight on ? Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 11:07:44 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: coolant issues?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> Ralph, Thank you for your message. > > > Thanks for all the info, as usual you are a great resource. I'm still > over a year from completing the Europa, but I won't forget this one. You're welcome. Best of luck with your project, Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 11:53:33 AM PST US
    From: "ROSALIE" <mau11@free.fr>
    Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UulmLiA6IFJlOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogY29vbGFudCBpc3N1ZXM/?=


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    Time: 11:56:45 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: 912s runs rough
    I had a similar problem early in the engine=92s life and it turned out to be a kink in one of the throttle cables inside the throttle box. This put the carb=92s out of synch as I throttled back but was not easy to find when the aircraft was on the ground. May not be this but it could be worth having a look. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sldpileit@aol.com Sent: 19 October 2006 18:44 Subject: Europa-List: 912s runs rough Ok guys and gals, I would love some help with this one. After 15 hrs of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like its missing on a climbing crosswind turn. Filters have been chg'd and also the spark plugs. I've had the carbs redone and tanked at rotax in Sebring Florida. I still have the same problem. the engine runs very smooth untill you get in that climbing crosswind turn. Very unnerving. I have also chg'd out the gas (from aviation to car) Still have the same problem. I can reduce the throttle to below 4500 rpm and missing goes away. I have tried to sneak up on the throt tle in straight and level downwind, but the missing returns. I would love to hear from you guys on this one. The tech's at rotax are running out of ideas. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM _____ "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 19/10/2006 -- 19/10/2006


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    Time: 11:56:46 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE
    BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Alan. The plug is not the one at the bottom of the tank. From memory, it is on the port side of the engine, right at the front and just below the gearbox. It has a fairly large head, coloured gold (cad plated?) and is, I think, the only Torx head bolt in that area. You don't need to drain the oil to check it but as Ian says, wire lock it after refitting. Richard Iddon G-RIXS Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Ian Where is this plug. Is it the one we remove at the bottom of the oil tank to drain the oil ? Alan -- 19/10/2006


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    Time: 12:34:01 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net> Alan, As Gilles shows, there could be several reasons for your problem. More to consider. If the condition only appears when the engine is under a load, consider the ignition module. Sometimes, heat will cause them to break down, causing a simillar problem to the one you're experiencing. There's also the possibility of a small hole in the fuel line, before the fuel pump, causing air injestion. And then there's good ol' vapor lock. Check the orifice in your return line, for obstructions... Rman - Baby Blue 123 hours Gilles Thesee wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> > > sldpileit@aol.com a crit : > >> Ok guys and gals, I would love some help with this one. After 15 hrs >> of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like >> its missing on a climbing crosswind turn. Filters have been chg'd and >> also the spark plugs. I've had the carbs redone and tanked at rotax >> in Sebring Florida. I still have the same problem. the engine runs >> very smooth untill you get in that climbing crosswind turn. Very >> unnerving. I have also chg'd out the gas (from aviation to car) Still >> have the same problem. I can reduce the throttle to below 4500 rpm >> and missing goes away. I have tried to sneak up on the throt tle in >> straight and level downwind, but the missing returns. I would love to >> hear from you guys on this one. The tech's at rotax are running out >> of ideas. > > > Hi, > > The fact that the problem goes away when you reduce throttle seems an > indication of some (partial) fuel starvation. Does the engine shake > and spit back ? > > Have you made sure to rule out any airframe issue ? > Qty in tank(s) > Boost pump on or off ? > Air trapped in lines (I've seen some tortuous fuel line routing) > Kinked fuel line (some Europas seem to have hose fuel lines between > tank and firewall) > Location of pickup relative to tank in a climb > Swarf/dirt/water in tank > Blocked pick-up screen > Blocked tank vents > Etc... > > BTW, what if you don't take that climbing turn, and continue straight > on ? > > Regards, > Gilles Thesee > Grenoble, France > http://contrails.free.fr > >


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    Time: 12:34:11 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE
    BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net> Alan, Look on the bottom of the case... Jeff Alan Burrows wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> > >Ian >Where is this plug. Is it the one we remove at the bottom of the oil tank to >drain the oil ? > >Alan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI >Sent: 19 October 2006 09:54 >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT >SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> > > Karl, > >It is covered in the maintenance manual section 12.3.11 (Page 96). >There appears to be nothing new in the service bulletin. > >I think the reason for all the fuss is that some owners do not notice it >is a torx bolt and try and remove it with an Allen key (I have seen this >done). The plug is also in very tight as it comes from the factory so >the likelihood of damaging it are high. > >Once you have got it out for the first time the head is drilled for lock >wire so lock it when you put it back. > > >Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear >Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) >e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > > > >


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    Time: 12:34:46 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: First Flight N108EA
    Vaughn, I like the way you think! Jeff do not archive Europa List wrote: > I couldn't even get insurance while I transported my kit, so I have > decided to go the non-insured route. Even after you pay for insurance > after years on end, when you go to file a claim, the chances of > recovering your total value lost is practically nil. When I run for > president, the first two planks in my platform will be to eliminate > insurance entirely and to disbar 95% of all lawyers, with more to > follow if nescessary. > > Vaughn Teegarden > N914VA (gathering dust in the shed, no money - no build) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sldpileit@aol.com <mailto:sldpileit@aol.com> > To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > The empty weight of N108EA is 845 lbs. The prop is a prince p-tip > 62"dia and 83" pitch. This was a borrowed prop from Bob Burbe at > flightcrafters. I'm having my own built at prince P-tip. It will > be 62" and *82 pitch. Should be ready in about another week or > two. Zephrhills is a really nice airport with 2 long hard service > runways. Both are about 4 or 5 thousand feet long. Flightcrafters > in located on the field, and that made life so much easier. The > insurance company had taken my money for five years knowing that I > was building a monnwheel. When I ask for a quote for a flying > policy they refused. No one in the US is selling policies for > monowheels. I had no choice but to change to conventional tail > dragger or tri-gear. Sense I had already gotten my tail wheel > endorsement I elected to go with the conventional gear. It's a Bob > Burbe design and I'm really happy with it. It's a ball to fly. > > MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR > SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bdavies@dircon.co.uk > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33 AM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > Many congratulations Scott. Now the fun really begins! For the > records, can you tell me the weight of the aircraft, the propeller > system and the airport details. Total build hours would be > helpful too. The records show your aircraft was a monowheel. > Conventional gear is normally a standard tail dragger. Have you > converted it? > > I know you would rather be flying than answering questions but it > would help future builders . > > Best regards > > Brian Davies > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > sldpileit@aol.com > Sent: 17 October 2006 13:47 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: First Flight N108EA > > After 5 years my conventional gear Europa N108EA took to the skys > over Zephrhills Florida 16 Sep 2006. At the controls was test > pilot Lee Orminick. All went very well and I owe many thanks to > the Guys at Flightcrafters for helping me relize my dream. I have > a 912s for power, Dyno EFIS, and EMS systems, also a 2 axis auto > pilot tied into a Garmin 296 GPS. Thanks again guys! > > MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR > SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron > > > -- > > -- > 12/10/2006 > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >


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    Time: 01:04:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight N108EA
    From: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net> Well Done Scott , I'm buzzing just thinking about it , mine is ready for the air apart from paperwork , enjoy, Steve Vestuti #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 01:29:41 PM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    I had a similar problem when I found (after a long time) that one of the carb main jet needles had jumped out of its seating. Worth a thought? Patrick


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    Time: 01:35:53 PM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    After reading some of the replies to your pleas I am inclined to go along with the throttle problem. The cable , unless perfectly rigged can easily kink when you want to apply more throttle. Result- one carb goes out of sync and engine runs 'rough'. One of the peculiarities of the Rotax is that you have to push the inner cable through the outer, which is , basically , not a good idea as the cable is not robust and has to be - as per manual - looped in a particular fahsion in order to avoid kinking or just plain 'sticking' Try this - new cables if necessary or a re routing initially. Patrick


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    Time: 01:50:30 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> Patrick, > After reading some of the replies to your pleas I am inclined to go > along with the throttle problem. The cable , unless perfectly rigged > can easily kink when you want to apply more throttle. Result- one > carb goes out of sync and engine runs 'rough'. This is possible, but then, how does it agree with the "climbing turn" event ? But we know things happen in flight, flexing, buckling, binding... > > One of the peculiarities of the Rotax is that you have to push the > inner cable through the outer, which is , basically , not a good idea > as the cable is not robust and has to be - as per manual - looped in > a particular fahsion in order to avoid kinking or just plain 'sticking' > Why not dispense with the cables, and replace them with piano wires ? Your throttle linkage would turn into a push-pull system. Our airplane is rigged in this manner, with no problem whatsoever. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 02:06:55 PM PST US
    From: BEBERRY@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    Gilles, agree entirely with your views on throttle cables and kinking. Climbing turn? Yes this would easily drop one loop of one cable to one side and enhance an incipient chaffing problem on that side. I think this has to be the answer. Patrick


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    Time: 05:52:27 PM PST US
    From: SPurpura@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    Have a look at your fuel filters,are there many bubbles?


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    Time: 10:27:49 PM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    Does the rough running go away when you move the throttle lever back to full throttle? That should test Richard's suggestion. Regards, William ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Iddon To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912s runs rough I had a similar problem early in the engine=92s life and it turned out to be a kink in one of the throttle cables inside the throttle box. This put the carb=92s out of synch as I throttled back but was not easy to find when the aircraft was on the ground. May not be this but it could be worth having a look. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sldpileit@aol.com Sent: 19 October 2006 18:44 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: 912s runs rough Ok guys and gals, I would love some help with this one. After 15 hrs of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like its missing on a climbing crosswind turn. Filters have been chg'd and also the spark plugs. I've had the carbs redone and tanked at rotax in Sebring Florida. I still have the same problem. the engine runs very smooth untill you get in that climbing crosswind turn. Very unnerving. I have also chg'd out the gas (from aviation to car) Still have the same problem. I can reduce the throttle to below 4500 rpm and missing goes away. I have tried to sneak up on the throt tle in straight and level downwind, but the missing returns. I would love to hear from you guys on this one. The tech's at rotax are running out of ideas. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT,USAFR SLDPILEIT@AOL.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- - The Europa-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - --> - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> -- 19/10/2006 -- 19/10/2006


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    Time: 10:27:49 PM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE
    BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Alan, Mine is aluminium coloured (not gold anodised); perhaps they come in different shades. Richard is right, it is on the port side at the front near to the oil filter. 1/2" dia flat disc about 3/32" thick with the 40 torx recess in the centre. I think your engine is too old for the ASB to apply. Regards, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> > > Alan. > > The plug is not the one at the bottom of the tank. From memory, it is > on the port side of the engine, right at the front and just below the > gearbox. It has a fairly large head, coloured gold (cad plated?) and > is, I think, the only Torx head bolt in that area. You don't need to > drain the oil to check it but as Ian says, wire lock it after refitting. > > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: IMPORTANT! - Release of MANDATORY Rotax > ALERT SERVICE BULLETIN For 912 & 914 Engines > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> > > Ian > Where is this plug. Is it the one we remove at the bottom of the oil > tank to > drain the oil ? > > Alan > > > -- > 19/10/2006 > >


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    Time: 11:02:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 912s runs rough
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello Scott "After 15 hrs of great flying my engine has dropped 300 rpm static. and feels like its missing on a climbing crosswind turn." Will throw some ideas out: Check the rubber boots that connect carb to manifold for cracks Make sure that the position of both carbs are synchronized Install the new style float pivot pins as per bulletin Check ignition pick up coil gaps and part numbers as per bulletin and replace if called for in bulletin Check your fuel tank vent to outside world Check Muffler for cracks, leaks, and see if the baffles fell apart internal Make sure the fuel bowl vents are going to ambient pressure or air-cleaner intake pressure and not restricting flow Make sure you have proper heat range spark plugs, and proper gaps, and you are using Whacker silicone based thermal conductive compound torqued as per bulletin Very important, make sure you do not have a restriction in fuel system, kinked hose, or a nipple that has too small a ID (I was sent different nipples, some had a very small ID that was pretty restricting) Still bent on restriction, do you have a factory fuel system? Not a Andair Mini Gasculator in there by chance? If you do take it out and give a try. Make sure restrictor for return flow not clogged, you did install a return flow line? If you try drinking through a straw with a pin hole in it, you know air is a lot easier to suck up than the drink. Fuel system is no different, look for leaks that are letting in air. Roger bull said he had sight T on intake side of fuel system, and could get air sucking through the sight when fuel was a bit low causing the plane to play Silent Night. a small leak will cause your symptoms. You have the proper size main jets? Are your jet needles set correct? Are your carb diaphragms leaking> Do you have bulletin jet needle needle aux hold downs installed? Do you have any sort of special stuff in your fuel system that can be skunking you? Like fuel flow transducer? Fuel pressure gauge sender that is leaking in air? Does it run same on both mags? is there excessive drop during mag check? Did you try running off reserve? Does aux fuel pump help? Is the routing of fuel lines insulated near hot under the cowl? Check to see if you have any vacuum leaks, make sure cross tube hoses are in good shape. Give a try pitching nose up on ground and doing a static check? (I am just shooting from hip, put on 3 car ramps, and pull tail way down and tie it down??) Is there a restriction between carbs and fresh air? Are the airfilters restricting? Did you follow precise airfilter instructions? Again fuel restriction, when your aeroplane is on car ramps with tail low, run a fuel flow test in that configuration, do it for a while, like 10 gallons worth. Check your ignition wiring: http://www.greenskyadventures.com/engineservice/TechTips/912Ignition/912IgnDiagrahm.htm Good luck Ron Parigoris




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