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1. 02:18 AM - Re: instrument module (Graham)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: instrument module (Paul Stewart)
3. 06:30 AM - Instrument Module (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: instrument module (Rman)
5. 10:14 AM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Fergus Kyle)
6. 03:43 PM - Using Super Fill (EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM)
7. 08:00 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (Steve Hagar)
8. 08:46 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (Craig Ellison)
9. 11:21 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (R.C.Harrison)
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Subject: | Re: instrument module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham" <graham@pocock56.fsnet.co.uk>
This product sounds interesting, Could you give more details please.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
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> 2-pack automotive with flattener (matting agent, but not at full strength)
> and 'texturiser'.
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Subject: | Re: instrument module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Once again thanks to all for the help.
Paul
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Subject: | Instrument Module |
Hi Guys,
I did something a little different with my panel, so I thought I'd chime in
here. Although my cockpit is painted with silver/gray Zolatone, my instrument
panel top and tray are covered in black felt. We started doing this on
sailplane panels some years ago and found that it works great for glare reduction
and seems to keep the cockpit cooler. There is just enough stretch in the
felt to make covering compound curves easy.
The felt is attached with 3M Spray 77. I made a crude pattern set using thin
plastic sheet draped over the module to get the basic shape, marking the
plastic with a Sharpie pen. Make your pieces a little bigger than necessary.
Once glued in place the felt easy to trim to fit with a sharp razor blade. It
is
done in 5 pieces, the top over the instrument area, the back of the sandwich
tray, the front of the sandwich tray, the right side of the sandwich tray
and the bottom of the sandwich tray. The felt wraps over and around the front
of the top and under by about 1". It wraps over the front of the tray by about
3". The rest of the panel is painted with either Zolatone, under the
sandwich tray, or flat black, around the instruments. Use a plastic bondo spatula
to smooth out any wrinkes that might occur in the felt. The result looks
really nice and items placed in the tray don't slide around as much as they would
if the felt weren't there. It's easy to peel off if you ever want to redo
it. Xylol cuts the 3M adhesive. You can also stick a small piece of hook side
velcro onto a pen and it'll stay put when placed on the felt.
Contact me off list for pictures.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
N245E - Flying - 59.0 hours
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Subject: | Re: instrument module |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Graham,
It's just a two stage base/clear with a little flattening agent added.
Any auto painter can fix you up. I used a light grey on mine. Looks
very nice...
Jeff - Baby Blue
226 hrs
Graham wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham" <graham@pocock56.fsnet.co.uk>
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> This product sounds interesting, Could you give more details please.
> Do not archive
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module
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>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean"
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
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>> 2-pack automotive with flattener (matting agent, but not at full
>> strength) and 'texturiser'.
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Subject: | Re: 914 drivers only please... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Fred,
...just been going over the mountain of good advice I`ve been
given throughout 2006 and came across this treasure. When I read this, I
began to suffer the pain of Flat Forehead from slapping it daily till the
job was done.
If I didn`t thank you then, I do now!
Cheers
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please...
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
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| Fergus Kyle wrote:
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| > How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from
| > behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord
| > mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front -
| > while holding the whole shebang together without
| > dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process?
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| Ferg, just why y'all tryin' to use the proper length AN bolts as a
| freakin' installation tool? ;-) Just go to the hardware store and buy
| a long length of 5/16" threaded rod, and 5/16 nuts. Cut said rod into
| pieces longer than the AN bolts. Affix engine and snug the nuts,
| compressing the rubber bushings. Thence, one-by-one, remove your
| threaded rod thingies and sub an AN bolt.
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| Might this work for you too?
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| In any event, Happy New Year!
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| Reg,
| Fred F.
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Subject: | Using Super Fill |
All:
I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my
control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in
case
I goofed.
I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo
type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread.
Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type
bondo squeegee to apply this product.
The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and
high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother
surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going
to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks.
And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Using Super Fill |
Brian:
I have had nothing but good luck with superfill. (other than the time I mixed
it at the wrong ratio of 1 to 1). I have seen individuals slather it on in the
hopes of getting everrything in one shot. Thus having a lot of high areas
and god awful amounts of sanding. If you are just trying to fill the weave you
only need a skim coat. As when you are done sanding you should only see a speckled
blue surface where the superfill has filled in only the low points of
the weave. I have taken my filling jobs slowly taking several passes and curing
sessions. I find it easier and more precise to fill in the low spots after
each cure rather than knocking down mountains of excess filler. It may take
longer for the extra curing sessions so it is advisable to work on 2 pieces
at a time. Also when having a first go at anything work on the side not normally
seen by you. Either the bottom side of the control surface or the co-pilot's
side. That way once you develop your techniqu
e the tops always look good as well as what you see from the cockpit.
Steve Hagar
A143
N40SH
flying off the 40 hrs
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 10/22/2006 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill
All:
I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control
surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I
goofed.
I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type
consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature
in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo
squeegee to apply this product.
The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high
points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface.
I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to
be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks.
And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Using Super Fill |
Brian,
use a hair-dryer to add some heat. makes the job go much better.
craig ellison
xs mono/914/airmaster
62hr
----- Original Message -----
From: EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill
All:
I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my
control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab
just in case I goofed.
I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a
Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to
spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an
automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product.
The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves
voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a
much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but
I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks.
And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly
appreciated.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Using Super Fill |
Hi! Brian
I see a recommendation to use a hair drier for making the spreading
easier....if you are working above any polystyrene watch out for heat
build up beyond acceptable levels due to the thermal conductivity, it
can expand under the fibreglass at a greater rate and seriously spoil
your level surface and your day !
Preferably get the workshop up to temperature over a long period and
allow the work piece and all the materials to get their heat sink all
uniform gradually.
Thin layers are the order of the day.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM
Sent: 22 October 2006 23:42
Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill
All:
I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my
control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab
just in case I goofed.
I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a
Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to
spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an
automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product.
The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids
and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much
smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I
know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks.
And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly
appreciated.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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