---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/22/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 AM - Re: instrument module (Graham) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: instrument module (Paul Stewart) 3. 06:30 AM - Instrument Module (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 4. 08:13 AM - Re: instrument module (Rman) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: 914 drivers only please... (Fergus Kyle) 6. 03:43 PM - Using Super Fill (EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM) 7. 08:00 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (Steve Hagar) 8. 08:46 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (Craig Ellison) 9. 11:21 PM - Re: Using Super Fill (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US From: "Graham" Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module --> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham" This product sounds interesting, Could you give more details please. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" > > > 2-pack automotive with flattener (matting agent, but not at full strength) > and 'texturiser'. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:54 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Once again thanks to all for the help. Paul ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:28 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Module Hi Guys, I did something a little different with my panel, so I thought I'd chime in here. Although my cockpit is painted with silver/gray Zolatone, my instrument panel top and tray are covered in black felt. We started doing this on sailplane panels some years ago and found that it works great for glare reduction and seems to keep the cockpit cooler. There is just enough stretch in the felt to make covering compound curves easy. The felt is attached with 3M Spray 77. I made a crude pattern set using thin plastic sheet draped over the module to get the basic shape, marking the plastic with a Sharpie pen. Make your pieces a little bigger than necessary. Once glued in place the felt easy to trim to fit with a sharp razor blade. It is done in 5 pieces, the top over the instrument area, the back of the sandwich tray, the front of the sandwich tray, the right side of the sandwich tray and the bottom of the sandwich tray. The felt wraps over and around the front of the top and under by about 1". It wraps over the front of the tray by about 3". The rest of the panel is painted with either Zolatone, under the sandwich tray, or flat black, around the instruments. Use a plastic bondo spatula to smooth out any wrinkes that might occur in the felt. The result looks really nice and items placed in the tray don't slide around as much as they would if the felt weren't there. It's easy to peel off if you ever want to redo it. Xylol cuts the 3M adhesive. You can also stick a small piece of hook side velcro onto a pen and it'll stay put when placed on the felt. Contact me off list for pictures. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN N245E - Flying - 59.0 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:55 AM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman Graham, It's just a two stage base/clear with a little flattening agent added. Any auto painter can fix you up. I used a light grey on mine. Looks very nice... Jeff - Baby Blue 226 hrs Graham wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Graham" > > This product sounds interesting, Could you give more details please. > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: instrument module > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" >> >> >> 2-pack automotive with flattener (matting agent, but not at full >> strength) and 'texturiser'. >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:33 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Fred, ...just been going over the mountain of good advice I`ve been given throughout 2006 and came across this treasure. When I read this, I began to suffer the pain of Flat Forehead from slapping it daily till the job was done. If I didn`t thank you then, I do now! Cheers Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Fillinger" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 drivers only please... | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" | | Fergus Kyle wrote: | | > How in Heaven can one install the bottom ones from | > behind the firewall, attempt to compress the 'Lord | > mounts' and turn on the requisite nuts in front - | > while holding the whole shebang together without | > dropping odd bits onto the floor in the process? | | Ferg, just why y'all tryin' to use the proper length AN bolts as a | freakin' installation tool? ;-) Just go to the hardware store and buy | a long length of 5/16" threaded rod, and 5/16 nuts. Cut said rod into | pieces longer than the AN bolts. Affix engine and snug the nuts, | compressing the rubber bushings. Thence, one-by-one, remove your | threaded rod thingies and sub an AN bolt. | | Might this work for you too? | | In any event, Happy New Year! | | Reg, | Fred F. | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:47 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill All: I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I goofed. I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product. The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks. And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:12 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Using Super Fill Brian: I have had nothing but good luck with superfill. (other than the time I mixed it at the wrong ratio of 1 to 1). I have seen individuals slather it on in the hopes of getting everrything in one shot. Thus having a lot of high areas and god awful amounts of sanding. If you are just trying to fill the weave you only need a skim coat. As when you are done sanding you should only see a speckled blue surface where the superfill has filled in only the low points of the weave. I have taken my filling jobs slowly taking several passes and curing sessions. I find it easier and more precise to fill in the low spots after each cure rather than knocking down mountains of excess filler. It may take longer for the extra curing sessions so it is advisable to work on 2 pieces at a time. Also when having a first go at anything work on the side not normally seen by you. Either the bottom side of the control surface or the co-pilot's side. That way once you develop your techniqu e the tops always look good as well as what you see from the cockpit. Steve Hagar A143 N40SH flying off the 40 hrs Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 10/22/2006 3:50:45 PM Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill All: I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I goofed. I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product. The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks. And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:31 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Using Super Fill Brian, use a hair-dryer to add some heat. makes the job go much better. craig ellison xs mono/914/airmaster 62hr ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill All: I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I goofed. I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product. The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks. And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:08 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Using Super Fill Hi! Brian I see a recommendation to use a hair drier for making the spreading easier....if you are working above any polystyrene watch out for heat build up beyond acceptable levels due to the thermal conductivity, it can expand under the fibreglass at a greater rate and seriously spoil your level surface and your day ! Preferably get the workshop up to temperature over a long period and allow the work piece and all the materials to get their heat sink all uniform gradually. Thin layers are the order of the day. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM Sent: 22 October 2006 23:42 Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill All: I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I goofed. I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product. The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks. And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS