---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/23/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:32 AM - Classic Tailplane Torque Tube (flyingphil2) 2. 01:56 AM - Re: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube (Pete Jeffers) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: Trailer for sale (Hans Siedsma) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube (Pete Jeffers) 5. 09:32 AM - Re: Using Super Fill (Kesterton, Donald) 6. 12:19 PM - Anyone try cushion clamps for 914 fuel pumps? () 7. 03:52 PM - First run ups (AlStills) 8. 04:03 PM - Tailplane Torque Tube (Jim Butcher) 9. 06:24 PM - Re: Tailplane Torque Tube (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube From: "flyingphil2" --> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" Hi, Can anyone throw any light on the following? I'm rebuilding kit # 31 which was obviously an early Classic machine. I've been told that the tailplane torque tube from a new XS kit will be too small for my Classic tailplane fittings because the tube diameter was changed at some point. This change was only a few thou of an inch but using an XS tube will give too much play. Does anyone know when this change was made? Does anyone have an old Classic tailplane torque tube that they do not need? Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:16 AM PST US From: "Pete Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Jeffers" Hi Phil, I don't know the answer to your question for sure, but I have access to several early torque tubes that I could measure if you wished. However I suggest the best route to an answer is via Europa 2004 or Andy Draper who is now with the PFA Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 23 October 2006 09:31 Subject: Europa-List: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" Hi, Can anyone throw any light on the following? I'm rebuilding kit # 31 which was obviously an early Classic machine. I've been told that the tailplane torque tube from a new XS kit will be too small for my Classic tailplane fittings because the tube diameter was changed at some point. This change was only a few thou of an inch but using an XS tube will give too much play. Does anyone know when this change was made? Does anyone have an old Classic tailplane torque tube that they do not need? Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org -- -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:52 AM PST US From: "Hans Siedsma" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailer for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans Siedsma" Dear Mike, Thank you for your eMail of 16.10.2006. My friend's Europa XS Monowheel is being converted to a TriGear. The unbraked monowheel trailer was made for the Europa XS. The trailer was not of a particulary good quality, so you might need to check the hinged spar supports and some other small items. It is the official Europa trailer offered in their catologue. My friend is happy with Pnd Strl 500. The trailer canbe shipped to the UK of course, whereby you will have to absorb the costs for transportation; however we can organise this. Is this of interest for you? Many thanks and kind regards, Hans Siedsma -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens Mike Gamble Verzonden: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:59 PM Aan: europa-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Re: Europa-List: Trailer for sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" David, I am in the market for a mono XS trailer. Can you confirm whether this one is for the XS (with the hinged spar supports)?. Is it a factory made model? What age and condition? Please send any photos you may have to me off line.] Thanks and regards Mike XS mono 440 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:45 AM PST US From: "Pete Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Jeffers" Hi Phil, I have now measured two torque shafts, one early type, one much later. The earlier one has a diameter of pretty well dead on 1.500" and the other newer version came in at 1.496". Obviously a 4 thou difference! This would give a sloppy fit in the main phosphor bushes. Since the newer tubes are only the older ones turned or ground down I guess Europa could probably source an un turned one for you. This should then fit your older classic bearings and fittings. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 23 October 2006 09:31 Subject: Europa-List: Classic Tailplane Torque Tube --> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" Hi, Can anyone throw any light on the following? I'm rebuilding kit # 31 which was obviously an early Classic machine. I've been told that the tailplane torque tube from a new XS kit will be too small for my Classic tailplane fittings because the tube diameter was changed at some point. This change was only a few thou of an inch but using an XS tube will give too much play. Does anyone know when this change was made? Does anyone have an old Classic tailplane torque tube that they do not need? Thanks, Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org -- -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Using Super Fill From: "Kesterton, Donald" Brian, I have found Super Fill an excellent product. In particular it feathers very well, enabling multiple applications to be applied and sanded smooth. This I understand is not the case with the standard filler provided. You are correct though, out of the tin it is a bit difficult to spread. I use a wide metal spreader which I heat up quickly with a hair dryer before each application. This avoids application of direct heat onto the plane component which I don't recommend, without a lot of care!! With the heat from the spreader the super fill goes on much easier. Donald Kesterton UK Builder Mono G-PATS Still building slowly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ellison Sent: 23 October 2006 04:44 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Using Super Fill Brian, use a hair-dryer to add some heat. makes the job go much better. craig ellison xs mono/914/airmaster 62hr ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@AOL.COM To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Europa-List: Using Super Fill All: I have just had my first go at applying superfil to the surfaces of my control surfaces. I tested the product on the underside of the trim tab just in case I goofed. I am disappointed with the application of this product. I expected a Bondo type consistency. However this was a bit thicker and difficult to spread. Temperature in the shop is about 75 degrees today. I am using an automotive type bondo squeegee to apply this product. The problem is that it is now going on very smoothly. This leaves voids and high points on the surface. It looks awful. I was expecting a much smoother surface. I am attempting to just cover the weave here but I know there is going to be a lot of sanding to cut these peaks. And comments or observations using this stuff would be greatly appreciated. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipi ent(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to , retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipien t then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:33 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone try cushion clamps for 914 fuel pumps? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone try cushion clamps to try and reduce noise of fuel pumps? Something like McMaster Vibration Damping Straps See part# 8981T39 at: http://www.mcmaster.com/ Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:23 PM PST US From: "AlStills" Subject: Europa-List: First run ups --> Europa-List message posted by: "AlStills" Just a note to let you know that I've completed my ground run ups ( tri gear with Jabiru 3300). I had to change the airmaster prop to a Jabiru prop to get sufficent cooling on the ground until after brake in. CHTs and EGTs are all in line. The Jabiru prop (60X46) is cooling very nicely on the ground. The airmaster just didn't push enough air on the ground to cool. Brake in on a Jabiru is about 10-15 hrs and should be ok with the Airmaster after that. But with all things will have to see what happens when I get there. I was able to burn in the brakes this weekend. After burn in the parking brakes hold for full power run up. I'm not overly satisfied with the quality of the finger brakes but it seems to do the job if you pay a lot of attention to the little things. Had to completely rebuild to get to work right. Next up is to finish out the small stuff and call for final inspection.........and then up, up and away! Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:20 PM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Torque Tube Recent inspection has revealed excessive play in our port tailplane. The problem is play in the torque tube pin. We incorporated Mod 62 (larger pins) during our build so that's not an option. Our Tech Counselor suggested using AN386 taper pins. He said they are commonly used for similar applications in certificated aircraft. AC 43-13 confirms that AN386 pins are used in joints where "the absence of play is essential". A search of this forum suggested that the inner tube (TP4) would crush and bind in the bearing (TP11) if tapered pins were used. Our thoughts are to Loctite a 12" length of 1.375" OD .093" wall 4130 steel tubing centered inside of TP4. This would prevent the crushing of TP4 and 12" allows it to span the TP11 bearings. We would use a machine shop to accurately make the tapered holes for AN386-3 pins. The tapered pins would be installed vertically since there is not much material left on TP9 (the center bracket) from the installation of 3/8", Mod 62 pins. In the original design, the pins also locate TP10 sleeves against TP11 bearings inside the fuselage to prevent left - right torque tube movement. We would like to locate TP10 independently of the pins. Our thoughts are to machine TP10 sleeves to fit outside the fuselage between TP12 and TP11 to achieve the same purpose. Alternatively, we could split or slot TP10 and secure them to TP12 inside the fuselage with hose clamps (Oetiker style for 360 deg contact). Comments? Jim & Heather Butcher N241BW XS, Mono, 914 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Torque Tube From: Fred Klein On Monday, October 23, 2006, at 04:05 PM, Jim Butcher wrote: > Recent inspection has revealed excessive play in our port tailplane. > The problem is play in the torque tube pin. We incorporated Mod 62 > (larger pins) during our build so that=92s not an option. Jim, Sorry to hear of your problem, but grateful for your bringing it to our attention. I can't comment on your proposed solution but admire your calm approach to solving it. Please keep us posted. Does the use of tapered pins assume future adjustment, or will the tapered pins "self adjust" in the event of future wear? Fred A194 (grateful that my top's not yet bonded onto the canoe)