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Sun 10/29/06


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 10:20 AM - Re: Fuel Venting (rlborger)
     2. 10:50 AM - fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings (D Wysong)
     3. 11:39 AM - Re: Incident Board on Classic (Troy Maynor)
     4. 12:51 PM - Re: fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings (Jos Okhuijsen)
     5. 01:36 PM - Re: Fuel vent mods (Paul McAllister)
     6. 02:43 PM - 912S Warp Drive Drivers! (steve v)
     7. 03:06 PM - Re: Fuel vent mods ()
     8. 03:40 PM - Re: Fuel vent mods ()
     9. 04:00 PM - Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... (Matt Dralle)
    10. 04:54 PM - Re: fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings (Graham Singleton)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Venting
    From: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Europaphiles, Thanks muchly to all who replied to my call for help. Many good ideas. I'll be sorting out those parts that seem to work best for my installation. Keep an eye on my build diary and you'll see where it all leads. Pics will be posted this evening of todays work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived. Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117


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    Time: 10:50:12 AM PST US
    From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
    Subject: fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings
    Looking at Jos' and Graham's fuel system pics I noticed bulkhead AN fittings in several places. What method is used to install these in the Europa? Thanks for the insight! D


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    Time: 11:39:09 AM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Incident Board on Classic
    Graham wrote: <<<Ross the best way to set up the wings is to first fix the left wing as specified in the plans. Now, the right wing needs to be set so that the incidence at the outer end of the flap is identical, this is the part of the wing that will cause roll if its not right, the wing root doesn't really matter with respect to roll... You need a second incidence board for this part of the wing. I use a Vee to locate the nose radius of the wing section and a ramp to locate the top of the trailing edge. In other words a reference for the incidence of the airfoil section. (I hope this is making sense :-D ) Just be sure that the two wings agree at the tips of the flaps. You can safely knock off the incidence boards as soon as you have the left wing incidence set on the fuselage. Graham>>>> Graham, Was this in the manual or did I forget that I did it so many years ago? (I am referring to using a second set of boards to check at the flap end station). I'm thinking it was not and things aren't as good as they could have been on my plane. Annoying.... Troy Maynor


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    Time: 12:51:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings
    From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> Hi D, Not quite sure what you are asking for. Using a spanner is probably not the right answer? Sealing where needed was done with redux. D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com> kirjoitti Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:49:26 +0200: > Looking at Jos' and Graham's fuel system pics I noticed bulkhead AN > fittings > in several places. What method is used to install these in the Europa? > Thanks for the insight! > > D -- Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http:www.europaowners.org/kit600 mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed, fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and wings.


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    Time: 01:36:04 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Fuel vent mods
    Hi all, Some time ago I read on the forum and idea of providing backup fuel tank vent by using a one way value inside the cabin. Does anyone recollect who that was, and even better, what type of valve was used. Thanks, Paul N378PJ 530 hours and still grinning


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    Time: 02:43:23 PM PST US
    Subject: 912S Warp Drive Drivers!
    From: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net> Hi, Just filling in the engine/skydrive checklist which needs to be forwarded to the UK PFA and its asking for the propellor INERTIA, does anyone outthere have any numbers as i cannot seem to find it listed?, thanks , steve vestuti #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 03:06:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuel vent mods
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello Paul "Does anyone recollect who that was, and even better, what type of valve was used." Try: http://www.mcmaster.com/ search 1 way valve read about check valves Order a few different types and let us know which one you like. Take a look below at: Nylon Body with Viton Diaphragm PVDF Body with Viton Diaphragm Crack pressure is under 1 PSI, I don't have a feeling just how low a crack pressure you want. A 1 liter soda bottle with a hole in it to stick in place a tygon tube connected to your 1 way, and suck on threaded end should give you a very good feel for what you want. Once you select a good crack pressure put it in a bottle for a while with Mogas, and another with 100LL, then check function again. After fuel test let bake in sun for a while on the dash of your car for a week and try again. We know Viton is probably good. Nylon you see being used in fuel systems, but you need to be careful as there are different types of nylon. PVDF I am not familiar with, but think it is well worth a $11.05 test. Ron Parigoris This is on page 441 (has picture): Diaphragm Check Valves Maximum Pressure: 15 psi Cracking Pressure: Less than 1 psi These valves have a three-piece design for air applications. They have a free-floating diaphragm coated with silicone lubricant to assist in sealing, can be cycled as fast as once per second, and operate in any position. Use with soft thermoplastic tubing. Note: Cv factor not rated. Connections: 1/8" sizes have straight ends without barbs; all others have barbed ends. Polypropylene Body with Viton or Fluorosilicone Diaphragm For corrosive external environments. Temperature range is -40 to +180 F. Color is translucent white. Nylon Body with Viton or Fluorosilicone Diaphragm For higher external-temperature applications. Temperature range is -70 to +250 F. Color is translucent white and black, except 47245K17 which is translucent white and gray. PVDF Body with Viton Diaphragm For external applications requiring superior chemical and abrasion resistance. Temp. range is -70 to +250 F. Color is translucent white, except 47245K35 which is blue. Tube ID End-to-End Lg. Each Polypropylene Body with Viton Diaphragm 1/8" 1 39/64" 47245K11 $6.32 3/16" 1 11/16" 47245K12 6.32 1/4" 1 17/32" 47245K13 6.32 5/16" 1 3/4" 47245K14 8.16 Polypropylene Body with Fluorosilicone Diaphragm 1/8" 1 39/64" 47245K15 5.79 3/16" 1 11/16" 47245K16 4.80 Nylon Body with Viton Diaphragm 3/16" 1 11/16" 47245K17 5.86 1/4" 1 17/32" 47245K18 5.86 Nylon Body with Fluorosilicone Diaphragm 1/8" 1 39/64" 47245K25 4.80 3/16" 1 11/16" 47245K26 4.80 1/4" 1 17/32" 47245K27 4.80 5/16" 1 3/4" 47245K24 6.45 PVDF Body with Viton Diaphragm 1/8" 1 39/64" 47245K35 12.63 3/16" 1 11/16" 47245K36 11.05 1/4" 1 35/64" 47245K37 11.05 5/16" 1 3/4" 47245K34 20.79 Double-Union Ball Check Valves


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    Time: 03:40:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuel vent mods
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello Paul 1 more page 439: Ron P. Spring-Loaded Ball Check Valves with Barbed Connections Maximum Pressure: 125 psi @ 140 F Cracking Pressure: 1 psi Temperature Range: 33 to 140 F These check valves easily fit into tight areas and have good chemical resistance. For use with soft tubing. Valves have a soft seat. Spring is Type 302 stainless steel; ball is Type 316 stainless steel. Color is white. Note: Cv factor not rated. Connections: Barbed. To Order: Please specify Buna-N or Viton seat. For End-to- Polypropylene Nylon Tube ID End Lg. Each Each 1/8" 1 3/8" 7757K11 $3.23 6079T51 $3.56 3/16" 1 11/16" 7757K12 3.23 6079T52 3.56 1/4" 2" 7757K13 3.23 6079T53 3.56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 439


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    Time: 04:00:02 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers), For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was able to finally get them to lift the block about 3pm PST 10/29/2006 and it appears that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again. If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com". Sorry for the hassle... Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 04:54:21 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel system AN- bulkhead fittings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> Dave You need to buy the bulkhead fitting, elbow and the nut and a couple of washers, they are all listed in the ACS catalog. You will need a flaring tool to fit the aluminum pipe. Best to borrow one from your local A&P or your tech councillor Graham D Wysong wrote: > Looking at Jos' and Graham's fuel system pics I noticed bulkhead AN > fittings in several places. What method is used to install these in > the Europa? Thanks for the insight! > > D > >* > > >* >




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