---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/01/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - pitot static lines (Paul Stewart) 2. 01:36 AM - Re: pitot static lines (Graham Singleton) 3. 02:08 AM - First flight (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=) 4. 04:04 AM - Brake fluid (Richard Iddon) 5. 04:27 AM - Fuel Flow transducer (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 6. 04:36 AM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (Graham Singleton) 7. 05:28 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Brian Davies) 8. 05:31 AM - Re: pitot static lines (NevEyre@aol.com) 9. 05:36 AM - Re: First flight (NevEyre@aol.com) 10. 05:57 AM - Re: pitot static lines (Paul Stewart) 11. 06:14 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Simon Smith) 12. 07:38 AM - Re Prop Inertia (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 13. 09:21 AM - FW: Fuel Flow transducer (Brian Davies) 14. 09:26 AM - Re: Re Prop Inertia (Graham Singleton) 15. 10:24 AM - Rotax 912 Rocker shaft and rocker replacement SB??? (Pete Jeffers) 16. 11:33 AM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (nigel charles) 17. 12:13 PM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (steve v) 18. 12:29 PM - Re: First flight (steve v) 19. 01:18 PM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 20. 02:38 PM - Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Alan Burrows) 21. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (GLENN CROWDER) 22. 03:39 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Paul McAllister) 23. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Andrew Sarangan) 24. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Tom Friedland) 25. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Fred Klein) 26. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Steve Crimm) 27. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (SPurpura@aol.com) 28. 07:36 PM - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:20 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: pitot static lines --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Can anyone tell me what the tubing supplied by europa for pitot lines is. It seems to be 1/8 inch I.D. We're needing some more and having difficulty identifying suitable sized product (eg from ACS catalogue) Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:53 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: pitot static lines --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Paul I have used nylon hi pressure tubing, similar to the stuff they use for fuel lines in cars now. Linings and Hoses in Ashbourn/Derby stock it in various sizes. You might need to warm it a bit to get it to stretch over the fittings. Look at both metric and imperial sizes to get the best fit. It won't degrade and harden like the PU stuff tends to. Graham Paul Stewart wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > Can anyone tell me what the tubing supplied by europa for pitot lines > is. It seems to be 1/8 inch I.D. We're needing some more and having > difficulty identifying suitable sized product (eg from ACS catalogue) > > Regards > > Paul > G-GIDY > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:07 AM PST US From: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?= Subject: Europa-List: First flight Congratulations Karel. Hope to see you and your plane some day. Remi Guerner F-PGKL Subject: Europa-List: First flight To all, Monowheel # 447 F-PKRL , Rotax 912S and Airmaster AP332, took to the skies above Sedan-Douzy in France the proud owner for the first time on 28th october. The specs will be posted to Brian very soon. In a first cruise attempt I noted an IAS of 13O kts with 5OOO RPM and 24 Map. Thank you Ivan for the dream, thank you Don for the beautiful wings. Karel Vranken. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:57 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: Brake fluid I am just changing my finger brake setup from Jaymar to Matco and need some aircraft hydraulic fluid to spec. Mil H-5606. LAS don=92t seem to have anything under that description. Where can I get some? Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 01/11/2006 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:45 AM PST US From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Gents I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they supply would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are happy with the Floscan 201 transducer. Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still reasonable priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be acceptable to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent in the UK or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price for the transdicer would be very helpful as well. Regards Peter ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:50 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Peter Floscan transducers are used an cars and boats too, have a search for another supplier, you don't need to pay for the coat of certification. Grand Rapids can supply and their engine monitor is excellent anyway. It includes flow monitoring and will nudge you if fuel pressure starts getting low Graham peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk > >Gents > >I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the >FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they supply >would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are happy >with the Floscan 201 transducer. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:36 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brake fluid Just been through this, Richard, Mil H-5606 is the same spec as HF585B-LITRE which is available from Light Aero in 1 litre cans. Brian Davies _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 01 November 2006 12:05 Subject: Europa-List: Brake fluid I am just changing my finger brake setup from Jaymar to Matco and need some aircraft hydraulic fluid to spec. Mil H-5606. LAS don=92t seem to have anything under that description. Where can I get some? Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 01/11/2006 "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion 30/10/2006 -- 30/10/2006 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:10 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: pitot static lines Hi Paul, Might be too simple..... why don't you pick up the phone and talk to Roger at Europa, do it before 16.30 hrs, it could be with you tomorrow ? Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:56 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight Congratulations Karel ! Can you do a little experiment for me ? I recon it is impossible to drink through a straw for at least a week after First Flight, as you will surely still have ''the Europa Grin ''? Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:58 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: pitot static lines Simple ideas always the best Nev. Ta Paul On 1 Nov 2006, at 13:30, NevEyre@aol.com wrote: > Hi Paul, > Might be too simple..... why don't you pick up the phone and talk > to Roger at Europa, do it before 16.30 hrs, it could be with you > tomorrow ? > Cheers, > Nev. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:54 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brake fluid Richard, The Matco website says that Dot 5 is okay (if you have some left). Secondly, check your kit of parts. Mine all matched with the parts list but not the instructions. When I came to fit it I had 2x OR9's instead of 2xFL14's . Simon From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 01 November 2006 12:05 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: Brake fluid I am just changing my finger brake setup from Jaymar to Matco and need some aircraft hydraulic fluid to spec. Mil H-5606. LAS don't seem to have anything under that description. Where can I get some? Richard Iddon G-RIXS -- 01/11/2006 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re Prop Inertia From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Does it ever help to question why, with a completely defined, well tested in hundreds of A/C, prop-engine combination, an inspector would ask for such a datum. Ira N224XS FAA AME ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:23 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: FW: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" -----Original Message----- From: Brian Davies [mailto:brian.davies@clara.co.uk] Sent: 01 November 2006 17:18 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer Peter, The UK agents for Floscan are Merlin Equipment Tel 01202 697979. I have no connection with the company- I have just ordered a Floscan 201 transducer from them. Price 149.91 plus 5.80 UK postage +vat total 182.96. Not cheap but the PFA like them! The contact is Vicky Baker and if you order before Friday you will save the postage from the USA because she can combine orders. Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Sent: 01 November 2006 12:20 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Gents I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they supply would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are happy with the Floscan 201 transducer. Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still reasonable priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be acceptable to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent in the UK or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price for the transdicer would be very helpful as well. Regards Peter ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ -- -- -- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:54 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re Prop Inertia --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton No such thing as a daft question, Ira. The inertia (rotational) is important _a _because of the gyoscopic loads on the prop shaft and _b_ the vibrational aspects, torsional resonance etc. There are many different props out there, some not well know, home built even. That's why the question is on the standard inspection form. Graham irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > >Does it ever help to question why, with a completely >defined, well tested in hundreds of A/C, prop-engine combination, >an inspector would ask for such a datum. > >Ira N224XS >FAA AME > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:48 AM PST US From: "Pete Jeffers" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 Rocker shaft and rocker replacement SB??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Jeffers" Hi all, A long time ago Rotax issued SB-912-15 which referred to a need to replace rocker shafts and rockers at 600hrs, on some old engines. It allowed you to inspect at 200 & 400hr but to replace at 600 hrs. I had thought that some time later an amended instruction had been issued that allowed the 200hrs checks to be continued ad infinitum requiring replacement only if there was a problem. Can anyone cast any light on the whereabouts of this later instruction (if it exists) Pete Jeffers -- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:55 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" When I bought mine about 8 years ago I collected from the wholesaler in Seattle. It cost $162. Before you commit yourself to 182 you may like to consider importing directly as the item is quite small and light for airfreighting. I have an alternative suggestion as well. I am going to Seattle on Wednesday and could collect for you assuming they have stock available. Contact me direct at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk if I can be of assistance. If any Europa builders/owners in the Seattle area would like to meet up whilst I am in Seattle I will have Thursday and most of Friday free. Regards Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: Brian Davies [mailto:brian.davies@clara.co.uk] Sent: 01 November 2006 17:18 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer Peter, The UK agents for Floscan are Merlin Equipment Tel 01202 697979. I have no connection with the company- I have just ordered a Floscan 201 transducer from them. Price 149.91 plus 5.80 UK postage +vat total 182.96. Not cheap but the PFA like them! The contact is Vicky Baker and if you order before Friday you will save the postage from the USA because she can combine orders. Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Sent: 01 November 2006 12:20 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Gents I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they supply would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are happy with the Floscan 201 transducer. Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still reasonable priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be acceptable to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent in the UK or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price for the transdicer would be very helpful as well. Regards Peter ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ -- -- -- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer From: "steve v " --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " Hi Peter, sounds like a good offer from Nigel to collect the Transducer for you, failing that here are the details of the UK agent , Lyndhurst Touchdown Services Ltd jerry@ban-bi.com www.ban-bi.com tel +44 (0)23 8028 2619 i paid a total UK cost of about 150 UK pounds all inc. for the 201, Steve Vestuti #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight From: "steve v " --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " Congratulations Karel ! What a feeling it must be, how long were you builing & how about uploading some pictures ? Steve Vestuti, #573 and Nev, is there a part No. for that straw? Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:24 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" That's cheap in comparison to a blocked sensor and fuel starvation, as offered by the alternatives! There is a prospectively 'cheap' Floscan currently at : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&item 0040605291&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Davies" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: FW: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Davies [mailto:brian.davies@clara.co.uk] > Sent: 01 November 2006 17:18 > To: 'europa-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer > > Peter, > > The UK agents for Floscan are Merlin Equipment Tel 01202 697979. I have > no > connection with the company- I have just ordered a Floscan 201 transducer > from them. Price 149.91 plus 5.80 UK postage +vat total 182.96. Not > cheap but the PFA like them! The contact is Vicky Baker and if you order > before Friday you will save the postage from the USA because she can > combine > orders. > > Brian Davies > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: 01 November 2006 12:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer > > --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk > > Gents > > I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the > FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they > supply would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they > are > happy with the Floscan 201 transducer. > > Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still > reasonable > priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be > acceptable to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent > in the UK or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price > for the transdicer would be very helpful as well. > > Regards > > Peter > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > -- > > > -- > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:49 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends Hi Guys The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to completely dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% of it. Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for me to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my aircraft with me if at all possible. Many Thanks Alan ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:20 PM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" We're the Friendly Aviation Authority and we're here to help you! >From: "Alan Burrows" >To: >Subject: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:37:02 -0000 > >Hi Guys > > >The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished glider >wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I >have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental aircraft >built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to completely >dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% of >it. >Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for >me >to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated >as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my >aircraft with me if at all possible. > >Many Thanks > > >Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:52 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends Alan, The problems are even more complex, you must be a US national or a permanent US resident to own an aircraft, at least that used to be the case a few years ago. If you are not a green card holder then one potential workaround is to create an LLC whose asset is the aircraft and you own the LLC, but you would need to get legal advice on this. As far as your issue around putting your aircraft on the US register you might like to try the EAA legal services, they were very helpful to regarding a sales tax issue when I was registering my aircraft. Paul (Who is not a US Citizen!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:37 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends Hi Guys The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to completely dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% of it. Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for me to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my aircraft with me if at all possible. Many Thanks Alan ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:54 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan I would be careful about who you are getting these answers from. Different FSDO offices are notorious for interpreting rules differently. Ask them to cite the FAR where this requirement is spelled out. Check the regs for yourself. They are all available online. If the FAR is vague, call EAA or contact an office higher up the chain, perhaps an office in Washington, DC. I am not aware of any regulation that says the 51% must be performed within the U.S. As far as I know, the only requirement is that the aircraft must be inspected by a FAA authorized inspector. Does the fact that your aircraft is already registered in a foreign country prevent you from registering it in the U.S? I doubt it, but unless someone can show you where it says you can't, you have to assume that you can. --- Alan Burrows wrote: > Hi Guys > > > > The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished > glider > wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful > FAA. I > have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental > aircraft > built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to > completely > dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% > of it. > Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way > for me > to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be > appreciated > as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my > aircraft with me if at all possible. > > Many Thanks > > > > Alan > > Andrew Sarangan http://www.sarangan.org ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:06 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends On 11/1/06, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan > > > I would be careful about who you are getting these answers from. > Different FSDO offices are notorious for interpreting rules > differently. Ask them to cite the FAR where this requirement is spelled > out. Check the regs for yourself. They are all available online. If the > FAR is vague, call EAA or contact an office higher up the chain, > perhaps an office in Washington, DC. > > I am not aware of any regulation that says the 51% must be performed > within the U.S. As far as I know, the only requirement is that the > aircraft must be inspected by a FAA authorized inspector. Does the fact > that your aircraft is already registered in a foreign country prevent > you from registering it in the U.S? I doubt it, but unless someone can > show you where it says you can't, you have to assume that you can. > > > --- Alan Burrows wrote: > > > Hi Guys > > > > > > > > The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished > > glider > > wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful > > FAA. I > > have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental > > aircraft > > built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to > > completely > > dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% > > of it. > > Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way > > for me > > to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be > > appreciated > > as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my > > aircraft with me if at all possible. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.sarangan.org > > > Hi Alan Something is screwy. There are lots of experimental aircraft that are built in other countries and fly in the USA. In fact, Thomas (last name excapes me) that flew around the world in his Europa is presently flying in California and it was built in Germany! As Andrew said, check with another FSDO. If you continue to have trouble, I will try to help by contacting some here. Tom Friedland, XS Mono, Washington State. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends From: Fred Klein Thomas Sherer would be a logical source of information regarding this issue. Thomas? Fred A194 On Wednesday, November 1, 2006, at 02:37 PM, Alan Burrows wrote: > Hi Guys > > - > > The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished > glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your > wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an > experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There > suggestion was to completely dismantle the aircraft and have it > rebuilt in America of at least 51% of it. Obviously this is a > ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for me to import the > aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated as we > plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my > aircraft with me if at all possible. > > Many Thanks > > - > > Alan > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:02 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" This is complete BS. There is not a restriction to keep an aircraft registered in an ICAO country from flying in US airspace. I remember reading where a Europa was put on the boat on it's trailer, shipped to the US hauled to an airport, assembled and it flew over here all summer. They can't restrict an aircraft certified by another international approving authority from flying in the US. If you were to fly here they can't stop you. The same thing that they didn't question Thomas's trips around the world in his US registered EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. Same rule applies. Steve Give them hell -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GLENN CROWDER Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 18:10 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" --> We're the Friendly Aviation Authority and we're here to help you! >From: "Alan Burrows" >To: >Subject: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:37:02 -0000 > >Hi Guys > > >The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished >glider >wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. >I have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental >aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to >completely dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at >least 51% of it. >Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way >for me to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be >appreciated as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to >bring my aircraft with me if at all possible. > >Many Thanks > > >Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us &hmtagline ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:08 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends THE FAA CAN BE VERY ANAL,TRY ANOTHER FSDO. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:24 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these lists. Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/). These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous support of the Lists again this year!! You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: https://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really do feel like family. Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator