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1. 01:38 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 11/01/06 (Paul Atkinson)
2. 01:41 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Richard Iddon)
3. 05:16 AM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Paul McAllister)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Help Required from our American Friends (europa flugzeug fabrik)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Help Required from our American Friends (europa flugzeug fabrik)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (John & Paddy Wigney)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Karl Heindl)
8. 08:21 AM - Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article (UVTReith@aol.com)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article (Rman)
10. 10:57 AM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (D Wysong)
11. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow transducer (Mike Parkin)
12. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Steven Pitt)
13. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Rowland Carson)
14. 06:26 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Fuel flow transducer (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 11/01/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Atkinson" <paullatkinson@talktalk.net>
Peter
I got mine from Rocky Mountain Instrument www.rkymtn.com which cost less
(including shipping)than getting it from Floscan's local supplier. The
price is on the web site which is not responding right now!!!!
There are not many sources because Floscan won't sell to the public. You
could try other aircraft instrument manufacturers who supply them with
their products.
Paul
n Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:56:40 -0000, Europa-List Digest Server
<europa-list@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> Time: 04:27:45 AM PST US
> From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
> Gents
> I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the
> FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they
> supply
> would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are
> happy
> with the Floscan 201 transducer.
> Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still
> reasonable
> priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be
> acceptable
> to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent in the UK
> or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price for the
> transdicer would be very helpful as well.
> Regards
> Peter
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Thanks Brian.
I have ordered some from LAS now. Unfortunately they didn't tell me it
was available in 1 litre quantities so they are sending me 5! If you
ever need any more give me a call.
Regards.
Richard.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Davies
Sent: 01 November 2006 13:28
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brake fluid
Just been through this, Richard,
Mil H-5606 is the same spec as HF585B-LITRE which is available from
Light Aero in 1 litre cans.
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Sent: 01 November 2006 12:05
Subject: Europa-List: Brake fluid
I am just changing my finger brake setup from Jaymar to Matco and need
some aircraft hydraulic fluid to spec. Mil H-5606.
LAS don't seem to have anything under that description. Where can I get
some?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Friends
Thomas build his Europa while living in Michigan. - Paul
Something is screwy. There are lots of experimental aircraft that are
built in other countries and fly in the USA. In fact, Thomas (last name
excapes me) that flew around the world in his Europa is presently flying in
California and it was built in Germany! As Andrew said, check with another
FSDO. If you continue to have trouble, I will try to help by contacting
some here.
Tom Friedland, XS Mono, Washington State.
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| Subject: | Re: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
alan(at)kestrel-insurance wrote:
> ...have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I have just been informed
that they will not allow an experimental aircraft built abroad to fly in
U.S. airspace.
Will this be a temporary visit? Is it foreign registered? If yes to both, just
fly the airplane here. Theres foreign registered aircraft which fly here all
the time. ATC doesnt give a hoot, and controllers dont know the fine points of
rules which dont concern them, nor care. I just looked at the Regs, and Im
confused. If theres a rule which says a foreign, amateur-built A/C must be N#
registered (verses registration as an import of a production A/C, retaining its
foreign resgistration), I cant find it yet.
Fred F.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71757#71757
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| Subject: | Re: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
scrimm wrote:
> This is complete BS. There is not a restriction to keep an aircraft registered
in an ICAO country from flying in US airspace.
That be true, but their response was only partial BS. Disassembling the A/C (as
if we could do so to a composite design) and reassembling it would _not_ meet
the 51% rule. A foreign homebuilt appears to be in Regulatory limbo for basing
here permanently.
What I get from the Regs is the restriction is to prevent construction of A/C in
a foreign country under their amateur-built rules and then export for sale here,
retaining foreign registration. There would be airplanes manufactured by
forced child labor in Bangladesh, if that govt didnt care if their amateur-built
rules were being cheated.
Ironically, we do have a new rule sort of like that. Light sport aircraft. Most
of the ones for sale here are manufactured in foreign countries, not quite
Bangladesh or Namibia...yet. The manufacturer need merely certify on a simple
form they send FAA that the aircraft complies with industry standards. N# registered
here like anything else.
Fred F.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71770#71770
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@alltel.net>
Hi Peter,
If you still have the flexibility to make this choice for your panel, my recommendation is to use a Grand Rapids EIS 2004 engine monitor with the fuel flow option which is another USD375.00. See http://www.grtavionics.com/model_2004.htm The EIS is one of the best instruments in my panel. Rock solid performance and reliability. The fuel flow totaliser is accurate to within 0.1 gallons after calibration which makes for great peace of mind on fuel remaining and the endurance is calculated for you. I have also found that the EIS total engine time recorder is very reliable. After 500 + hours, it is within a few decimals of my Hobbs meter reading. Next time around, I would not bother with a Hobbs. Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow transducer
Gents
I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've got my eye on the
FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow transducer that they supply
would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've picked up, they are happy
with the Floscan 201 transducer.
Does anyone have any recomendations for any different (yet still reasonable
priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are going to be acceptable
to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go, is there an agent in the UK
or do I need to get one from the US. Any indication of the price for the
transdicer would be very helpful as well.
Regards Peter
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| Subject: | RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Alan,
If you are only in Florida for the winters why do you want to keep the
Europa there for the whole year ? You can fly it on the G registration, and
take it back home in the spring. Car ferries operate frequently between
Southampton and East Coast ports, including Florida, and their shipping
rates are quite reasonable. And unless you happen to have free storage for
the motorglider, you would save a lot on hangarage charges.
Karl
>
>Hi Guys
>
>
>The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished glider
>wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I
>have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental aircraft
>built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to completely
>dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% of
>it.
>Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for
>me
>to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated
>as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my
>aircraft with me if at all possible.
>
>Many Thanks
>
>
>Alan
>
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article |
Hi friends,
The German magazine Aerokurier wants to do an essey about the Europa
kitplanes.
This will be a flying report with a lot of nice pictures, technical details
and so on.
They are looking for a Tri-Gear XS, which is good build and looks good.
The plane has not to be a German one, all other European countries are also
very welcome.
They will do the flights with a second aeroplane, will come to your location
and will pay for this. The "Flying Report", about 5-7 pages should be made
before winter time, that means right now.
I know, there are some nice Tri.Gears here in Europe on the market.
Please contact me.
It is a good sales tool to help europa-aircraft and the group - and I
think, it's great to get "your" plane in the importenst and biggest German flying
magazine.
Thanks for the support.
Bruno Reith / Europa-Aircraft Germany
Thanks for the support
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article |
Hey Bruno, why not come to the USA and do an expose' on an American
build. Baby Blue, a national show winner, would be available for the
article... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
231 hours
do not archive
UVTReith@aol.com wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> The German magazine Aerokurier wants to do an essey about the Europa
> kitplanes.
> This will be a flying report with a lot of nice pictures, technical
> details and so on.
> They are looking for a Tri-Gear XS, which is good build and looks good.
> The plane has not to be a German one, all other European countries are
> also very welcome.
> They will do the flights with a second aeroplane, will come to your
> location and will pay for this. The "Flying Report", about 5-7 pages
> should be made before winter time, that means right now.
>
> I know, there are some nice Tri.Gears here in Europe on the market.
> Please contact me.
>
> It is a good sales tool to help europa-aircraft and the group - and
> I think, it's great to get "your" plane in the importenst and biggest
> German flying magazine.
>
> Thanks for the support.
> Bruno Reith / Europa-Aircraft Germany
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the support
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Hello Peter,
We're using a Floscan 231 with an MGL data acquisition unit
(RDAC X) on our Rotax 914 setup. No worries! You just have
to make a few "mods" to the installation.
The 231 flow sensor expects 12-15 VDC power instead of the 5
VDC provided by the MGL FF instruments. We simply tied the
sensor to the 12 VDC power line for the FF instrument. We
also installed a 10K pullup resistor on the FF instrument
between the flow signal input line and +5 VDC line.
The 231 outputs a square wave with 19800 pulses per gallon.
Convert this to pulses per liter (~5231) and set the "K"
factor for the FF instrument accordingly.
Our source for the Floscan 231 was Scuba Steve's Marine
Outlet. Less than $100 US and he ships internationally.
http://www.scubasteve.biz/store/manufacturers/floscan/floscan.htm
Good luck!
D
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>
> I'm looking at fitting a Fuel Computer to G-MFHI - I've
got my eye on the
> FF-3 from MGL but I've been advised that the flow
transducer that they
> supply would not be approved by the PFA. From what I've
picked up, they
> are
> happy with the Floscan 201 transducer.
>
> Does anyone have any recomendations for any different
(yet still
> reasonable
> priced) fuel computer and if any other transducers are
going to be
> acceptable to the PFA. If the Flowscan is the way to go,
is there an agent
> in the UK or do I need to get one from the US. Any
indication of the price
> for the transdicer would be very helpful as well.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
How did you compensate for the high volume of fuel return on the 914 fuel
installation.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Flow transducer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: D Wysong <hdwysong@gmail.com>
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> We're using a Floscan 231 with an MGL data acquisition unit (RDAC X) on
> our Rotax 914 setup. No worries! You just have to make a few "mods" to
> the installation.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
Alan
When you do get an answer to your question please let me know as I was
hoping to do the very same thing in years to come.
BTW what about the transport costs to the US. Do you have any figures?
Steve Pitt
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-11-01 22:37 +0000 Alan Burrows wrote:
>The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished
>glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your
>wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an
>experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace
Alan - you should probably talk with James or Hugh McDiarmid (father
or son, I can't remember which is which now) who took G-BWRO to USA
for an extended period some time ago. The aircraft is with another
owner John Holt now, but James or Hugh might be able to offer some
advice. See old copies of the Club member list for their contact
details.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I'd like to second John's comments here. My experience with the EIS fuel
flow option on my 914 has been excellent (2 sensors were required for a
914), but the thing is nuts on everytime.
The EIS is the most useful box in my panel, I can't say enough about it.
Paul
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Paddy
Wigney
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: Re: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
<johnwigney@alltel.net>
Hi Peter,
If you still have the flexibility to make this choice for your panel, my
recommendation is to use a Grand Rapids EIS 2004 engine monitor with the
fuel flow option which is another USD375.00. See
http://www.grtavionics.com/model_2004.htm The EIS is one of the best
instruments in my panel. Rock solid performance and reliability. The fuel
flow totaliser is accurate to within 0.1 gallons after calibration which
makes for great peace of mind on fuel remaining and the endurance is
calculated for you. I have also found that the EIS total engine time
recorder is very reliable. After 500 + hours, it is within a few decimals of
my Hobbs meter reading. Next time around, I would not bother with a Hobbs.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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