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1. 01:28 AM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (D Wysong)
2. 01:41 AM - Fuel flow transducer (Richard Holder)
3. 02:15 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (Brian Davies)
4. 02:22 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (Simon Smith)
5. 02:48 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Alan Burrows)
6. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Alan Burrows)
7. 03:04 AM - Re: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article (Alan Burrows)
8. 03:28 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Alan Burrows)
9. 04:14 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (Simon Smith)
10. 04:17 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer ()
11. 05:03 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (Brian Davies)
12. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Alan Burrows)
13. 07:06 AM - Before the top goes on (Europa List)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: Before the top goes on (Graham Singleton)
15. 08:34 AM - Re: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article (Rman)
16. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Karl Heindl)
17. 08:41 AM - Re: Before the top goes on (Rman)
18. 09:06 AM - Re: Low price 914 ( < Before the top goes on) (Gilles.Thesee)
19. 09:10 AM - Re: Before the top goes on (William Daniell)
20. 09:41 AM - Re: Fuel flow transducer (Mike Parkin)
21. 09:42 AM - re 914 wanted (BEBERRY@aol.com)
22. 10:04 AM - Stuck with low power, what would you do? ()
23. 10:06 AM - Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? (Matt Dralle)
24. 10:14 AM - Re: Before the top goes on (Graham Singleton)
25. 12:20 PM - Before the top goes on (Europa List)
26. 12:22 PM - Cabin heat ()
27. 12:47 PM - Re: Fuel Flow transducer (Paul Sistern)
28. 12:51 PM - Re: Cabin heat (ivor.phillips)
29. 12:59 PM - Re: Cabin heat (GLENN CROWDER)
30. 02:15 PM - Re: Cabin heat (Tom Friedland)
31. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Help Required from our American Friends (Paul McAllister)
32. 02:45 PM - Before the top goes on (Europa List)
33. 02:47 PM - Re: Cabin heat (R.C.Harrison)
34. 02:58 PM - Re: Cabin heat (Tom Friedland)
35. 04:30 PM - Re: Cabin heat (Graham Singleton)
36. 04:36 PM - Re: Before the top goes on (Graham Singleton)
37. 05:13 PM - Re: Before the top goes on (JEFF ROBERTS)
38. 05:30 PM - Re: Cabin heat (Tom Friedland)
39. 09:07 PM - Re: Help Required from our American Friends (europa flugzeug fabrik)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow transducer |
Hi Mike -
Our plumbing is "nonstandard" with the 914 fuel return line plumbed into a
"T" fitting that's installed downstream from a single Floscan 231. The
other side of the "T" feeds the pumps/check valves. In our configuration,
the 231 indicates the fuel being used by the engine (feed minus return)...
which is low flow volume compared to the total flow around the circuit.
However, we did run our 914 without the "T" installed when it was on a test
stand with the 231 inline with the fuel supply. I don't recall what the
total flow measurement was in this config but I'm certain that the 231
handled it (i.e. - the reading didn't saturate). I bet I can dig the number
out of the test data if you're interested.
D
How did you compensate for the high volume of fuel return on the 914 fuel
> installation.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
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| Subject: | Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, I have a request -
All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking
(a dangerous and likely to be expensive) activity :-)
I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have
all the other VDO gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the
Flowscan transducer ? I imagine it would be digital but
analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only,
if i can get the transducer separately ?
TIA
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross, Herts
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| Subject: | Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Richard,
I have recently purchased a JPI FS-450 from Mendelssohn Pilot Supplies in
the UK. The reason for choosing this one is that it comes with Floscan
transducers and it is FAA/TSO approved so I am hoping that the PFA will have
no problems with it. As is usual, there are many more/cheaper fuel flow
indicating systems out there.
Brian Davies
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Sent: 03 November 2006 09:40
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, I have a request -
All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking (a dangerous and
likely to be expensive) activity :-)
I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have all the other VDO
gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the Flowscan transducer ?
I imagine it would be digital but analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only, if i can get the
transducer separately ?
TIA
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross, Herts
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| Subject: | Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Sent: 03 November 2006 09:40
JPI FS-450 fits the bill. Available from Harry.
Simon
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, I have a request -
All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking
(a dangerous and likely to be expensive) activity :-)
I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have
all the other VDO gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the
Flowscan transducer ? I imagine it would be digital but
analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only,
if i can get the transducer separately ?
TIA
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| Subject: | Re: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Fred
Yes it's British registered and I am hoping to keep it in the U.S. permanently,
I am happy to move it to the N register if that helps as we will be living at
Spruce Creek airpark in Florida for the winters. I am told that the rules covering
experimental aircraft are different to those governing certified aircraft,
but I can't find anyone who actually knows. Just the FAA guy who says NO..!
Any help you can offer would be great.
Kind Regards
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of europa flugzeug fabrik
Sent: 02 November 2006 14:25
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Help Required from our American Friends
--> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
alan(at)kestrel-insurance wrote:
> ...have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I have just been informed
that they will not allow an experimental aircraft built abroad to fly in
U.S. airspace.
Will this be a temporary visit? Is it foreign registered? If yes to both, just
fly the airplane here. Theres foreign registered aircraft which fly here all
the time. ATC doesnt give a hoot, and controllers dont know the fine points of
rules which dont concern them, nor care. I just looked at the Regs, and Im
confused. If theres a rule which says a foreign, amateur-built A/C must be N#
registered (verses registration as an import of a production A/C, retaining its
foreign resgistration), I cant find it yet.
Fred F.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71757#71757
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| Subject: | RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Karl
I do have free storage I live on Spruce Creek airpark in Florida and
presently have a large EMPTY hanger just waiting for my aircraft, but your
idea of just having it there for part of the year is interesting. I am told
that I can't have in the U.S. at all..!
Do you know anything different to that? Bear in mind it's an experimental
aircraft not a certified one, therefore the rules are different.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: 02 November 2006 16:07
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Alan,
If you are only in Florida for the winters why do you want to keep the
Europa there for the whole year ? You can fly it on the G registration, and
take it back home in the spring. Car ferries operate frequently between
Southampton and East Coast ports, including Florida, and their shipping
rates are quite reasonable. And unless you happen to have free storage for
the motorglider, you would save a lot on hangarage charges.
Karl
>
>Hi Guys
>
>
>The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished glider
>wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I
>have just been informed that they will not allow an experimental aircraft
>built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace. There suggestion was to completely
>dismantle the aircraft and have it rebuilt in America of at least 51% of
>it.
>Obviously this is a ridiculous suggestion. Surely there must be a way for
>me
>to import the aircraft? All suggestions and assistance would be appreciated
>as we plan to move to Florida for the winters and I want to bring my
>aircraft with me if at all possible.
>
>Many Thanks
>
>
>Alan
>
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article |
Ah Jeff
That's why the FAA wont let my Europa into the country, its you trying to
make sure you still have the nicest one over there isn't it (a joke my
friend). Seriously though I would love to compare the two some day so I'll
keep battling on to try and win them over. All the pictures I've seen of
your aircraft really do show it to be a beautiful bird.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rman
Sent: 02 November 2006 16:41
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article
Hey Bruno, why not come to the USA and do an expose' on an American build.
Baby Blue, a national show winner, would be available for the article... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
231 hours
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UVTReith@aol.com wrote:
Hi friends,
The German magazine Aerokurier wants to do an essey about the Europa
kitplanes.
This will be a flying report with a lot of nice pictures, technical details
and so on.
They are looking for a Tri-Gear XS, which is good build and looks good.
The plane has not to be a German one, all other European countries are also
very welcome.
They will do the flights with a second aeroplane, will come to your location
and will pay for this. The "Flying Report", about 5-7 pages should be made
before winter time, that means right now.
I know, there are some nice Tri.Gears here in Europe on the market.
Please contact me.
It is a good sales tool to help europa-aircraft and the group - and I
think, it's great to get "your" plane in the importenst and biggest German
flying magazine.
Thanks for the support.
Bruno Reith / Europa-Aircraft Germany
Thanks for the support
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| Subject: | RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
Hi Steve
I found a company that specialized in transporting aircraft and the cost is
about 2k or in my case about 2.5k as I need a 40ft container due to the
length of the glider wings.
Hope you are well and look forward to seeing you at Sun n Fun next year?
All the Best
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: 02 November 2006 19:51
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends
Alan
When you do get an answer to your question please let me know as I was
hoping to do the very same thing in years to come.
BTW what about the transport costs to the US. Do you have any figures?
Steve Pitt
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| Subject: | Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Brian
I submitted a mod application at the end of August for mine but I'm still
waiting for a response.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
Sent: 03 November 2006 10:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Richard,
I have recently purchased a JPI FS-450 from Mendelssohn Pilot Supplies in
the UK. The reason for choosing this one is that it comes with Floscan
transducers and it is FAA/TSO approved so I am hoping that the PFA will have
no problems with it. As is usual, there are many more/cheaper fuel flow
indicating systems out there.
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Sent: 03 November 2006 09:40
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, I have a request -
All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking (a dangerous and
likely to be expensive) activity :-)
I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have all the other VDO
gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the Flowscan transducer ?
I imagine it would be digital but analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only, if i can get the
transducer separately ?
TIA
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross, Herts
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Richard
"Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the Flowscan transducer
? I imagine it would be digital but analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only, if i can get the
transducer separately ?"
I purchased a Analogue 1+1/4" unit from UMA, it comes with a Flowscan 201
(I forget the letter that goes with the 201). I had a few lines printed on
face to equate to approx 75% 100% and 115% for my 914. Had Electro
Luminance installed to match the rest of my panel. I handled the return
flow by purchasing a Matronics unit (our list Host) that subtracts the
return flow and comes with a 201.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Hi Simon,
I submitted mine last week. The mod approval system does not seem to have
improved yet!
Brian
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Sent: 03 November 2006 12:14
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Brian
I submitted a mod application at the end of August for mine but I'm still
waiting for a response.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
Sent: 03 November 2006 10:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Richard,
I have recently purchased a JPI FS-450 from Mendelssohn Pilot Supplies in
the UK. The reason for choosing this one is that it comes with Floscan
transducers and it is FAA/TSO approved so I am hoping that the PFA will have
no problems with it. As is usual, there are many more/cheaper fuel flow
indicating systems out there.
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Sent: 03 November 2006 09:40
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team, I have a request -
All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking (a dangerous and
likely to be expensive) activity :-)
I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have all the other VDO
gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the Flowscan transducer ?
I imagine it would be digital but analog would be fine.
Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only, if i can get the
transducer separately ?
TIA
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross, Herts
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| Subject: | RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Roland
I don't have access to the old membership lists do I? Any chance you can get
me an email address for them please.
Kind Regards
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Sent: 02 November 2006 22:08
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-11-01 22:37 +0000 Alan Burrows wrote:
>The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished
>glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your
>wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an
>experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace
Alan - you should probably talk with James or Hugh McDiarmid (father
or son, I can't remember which is which now) who took G-BWRO to USA
for an extended period some time ago. The aircraft is with another
owner John Holt now, but James or Hugh might be able to offer some
advice. See old copies of the Club member list for their contact
details.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Before the top goes on |
One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs to
be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage sides.
I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to level. It
will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA
Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?
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| Subject: | Re: Before the top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Yes but also put a straight edge along the RH trailing edge of the fin.
That needs to be straight.
BTW Don't glue the top on until everything is in, elevator deflections
set up flaps and wings set up too. Those jobs are awful with the top on.
If its a tri I would put the gear in too, but that's just my opinion.
Graham
Europa List wrote:
> One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs
> to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage
> sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to
> level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
>
> N914VA
> Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article |
Alan,
Thank you for your kind comments. I've got a call into my local FAA
guy. Hopefully, when he returns my call, we'll have some good news for
you on bringing your bird ashore. Then we can get together and
compare... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
231 hours
Alan Burrows wrote:
> Ah Jeff
>
>
>
> That's why the FAA wont let my Europa into the country, its you trying
> to make sure you still have the nicest one over there isn't it (a joke
> my friend). Seriously though I would love to compare the two some day
> so I'll keep battling on to try and win them over. All the pictures
> I've seen of your aircraft really do show it to be a beautiful bird.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rman
> Sent: 02 November 2006 16:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri-Gear wanted for Aerokurier article
>
>
>
> Hey Bruno, why not come to the USA and do an expose' on an American
> build. Baby Blue, a national show winner, would be available for the
> article... ;)
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
> 231 hours
>
> do not archive
>
> UVTReith@aol.com <mailto:UVTReith@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
>
>
>
> The German magazine Aerokurier wants to do an essey about the Europa
> kitplanes.
>
> This will be a flying report with a lot of nice pictures, technical
> details and so on.
>
> They are looking for a Tri-Gear XS, which is good build and looks good.
>
> The plane has not to be a German one, all other European countries are
> also very welcome.
>
> They will do the flights with a second aeroplane, will come to your
> location and will pay for this. The "Flying Report", about 5-7 pages
> should be made before winter time, that means right now.
>
>
>
> I know, there are some nice Tri.Gears here in Europe on the market.
>
> Please contact me.
>
>
>
> It is a good sales tool to help europa-aircraft and the group - and
> I think, it's great to get "your" plane in the importenst and biggest
> German flying magazine.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the support.
>
> Bruno Reith / Europa-Aircraft Germany
>
>
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> Thanks for the support
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| Subject: | RE: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Alan,
There is an article in issue 26 of the Europa Aircraft News (4 1/2 pages) by
James McDairmid, who took his G-BWRO to the States and flew it there for a
year. There is no indication of any restriction flying the foreign
registered aircraft.
The car ferry is probably of no interest to you, unless you have a trailer,
but it is the easiest and cheapest way to transport a Europa to anywhere in
the world.
Karl
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends
>Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:33:46 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
><alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Hi Roland
>
>I don't have access to the old membership lists do I? Any chance you can
>get
>me an email address for them please.
>Kind Regards
>
>Alan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
>Sent: 02 November 2006 22:08
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Help Required from our American Friends
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
>At 2006-11-01 22:37 +0000 Alan Burrows wrote:
>
> >The grand plan to transport my trigear(complete with newly finished
> >glider wings) to the U.S. have been dealt a severe blow by your
> >wonderful FAA. I have just been informed that they will not allow an
> >experimental aircraft built abroard to fly in U.S. airspace
>
>Alan - you should probably talk with James or Hugh McDiarmid (father
>or son, I can't remember which is which now) who took G-BWRO to USA
>for an extended period some time ago. The aircraft is with another
>owner John Holt now, but James or Hugh might be able to offer some
>advice. See old copies of the Club member list for their contact
>details.
>
>regards
>
>Rowland
>--
>| Rowland Carson (former Europa Club Membership Secretary)
>| e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Before the top goes on |
Vaughn,
If your cockpit module is properly installed, the top of the tank
compartment should be level. I leveled the lower fuse, at that point
and then used a level on the torque tube to set it. I found that the
sides of the fuse, at the rear were a bit out, when checking against the
front. Once the bearings are bonded into place, they will stay, without
a problem. Be sure to spread the two sides of the fuse, to match the
proper width, before setting the bearings...
Jeff - Baby Blue
231 hours
Europa List wrote:
> One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs
> to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage
> sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to
> level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
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> N914VA
> Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?
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| Subject: | Re: Low price 914 ( < Before the top goes on) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Vaughn,
> Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?
> *
> *
I'm afraid such a thing doesn't exist ;-(
The 914 is awfully expensive, but really performs as advertised. And I'm
not aware of any owner willing to change, except if something went wrong.
I would be wary of any second hand 914 with unknown history.
A friend of mine bought a used 912 from a French ultralight dealer.
After some trouble, the engine appeared badly corroded within. To make a
long story short, it seems the engine had made a plunge into the sea and
was left unattended for some years, before being sold to my buddy.
So caveat emptor...
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Before the top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
I'm about to confront this task.
And I have considered with trepidation putting the (tri) gear in with the
top on.
Europa says that without the top on the fuse is insufficiently rigid to set
up the wings properly. They do say that you can cleco the top on. Any
comments? What have others done?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:36
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Before the top goes on
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Yes but also put a straight edge along the RH trailing edge of the fin.
That needs to be straight.
BTW Don't glue the top on until everything is in, elevator deflections
set up flaps and wings set up too. Those jobs are awful with the top on.
If its a tri I would put the gear in too, but that's just my opinion.
Graham
Europa List wrote:
> One other issue. The starboard end of the elevator torque tube needs
> to be raised abou 1/4" in order to make it level with the fuselage
> sides. I'm assuming that if I I bond the top on with it raised to
> level. It will stay level after all has cured. Am I correct?
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
>
> N914VA
> Does anyone know where I can obtain a reasonably priced 914?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Try http://www.buy-ei.com/index.htm
I have one and it works perfectly.
(Is already PFA approved)
regards,
Mike
Do not archive
regards,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Holder
> Sent: 03 November 2006 09:40
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> JPI FS-450 fits the bill. Available from Harry.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow transducer
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Team, I have a request -
>
> All this talk of fuel flow transducers has got me thinking
> (a dangerous and likely to be expensive) activity :-)
>
> I feel a fuel flow meter would be very useful but I have
> all the other VDO gauges so i don't need a fancy EIS.
>
> Is there a stand alone fuel flow gauge which uses the
> Flowscan transducer ? I imagine it would be digital but
> analog would be fine.
>
> Any users out there ? Supplier ? UK or US ? Gauge only,
> if i can get the transducer separately ?
>
> TIA
>
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> 03/11/2006
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Who is wanting a 914 ?- see Gilles letter today.? If you enquire of Peter
Jeffers , he has details of a good one for sale now, brand new permit, only
130 hours., many extras, new paint. Sale due to owner's injury.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Stuck with low power, what would you do? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Just heard a tale by a friend test flying a RV. 1st flight, go up and
about, did a series of stalls, all OK.
Wants to do a flyby, gets on downwind with perhaps 16 or 1500 RPM, turns
base to final and pulls power, nothing, stuck right where he left it, goes
full power, nothing. At a few hundred feet.
Full flaps, slips and now half of the runway is used up, nothing but heavy
forest, still too hot. At that second he knew he should have killed engine
and play glider, but too late. He tried to milk altitude, and turn and
land downwind, stalled, dropped a wing. No injuries to himself, slid 3 to
400 feet, but bird was pretty hurt.
He has hours approaching 5 figures, has plenty of experience flying
homebuilts.
Put yourself in his position, it is not something I have ever practiced,
but will.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
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The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
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Thank you!!
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Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Before the top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Most professional builders do it with the top clecoed on. IMHO once the
cokpit module is in that section of the fuse is rigid enough, its only
floppy from behind the luggage bay bulkhead. It is infinitely easier to
work inside with the top off, just cleco it on for resin cure.
Graham
get a second opinion ;-)
William Daniell wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
>I'm about to confront this task.
>
>And I have considered with trepidation putting the (tri) gear in with the
>top on.
>
>Europa says that without the top on the fuse is insufficiently rigid to set
>up the wings properly. They do say that you can cleco the top on. Any
>comments? What have others done?
>
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| Subject: | Before the top goes on |
I am presently scuff-sanding the mating surfaces prior to bonding the
top on the fuselage. Would it be wise to lock down all the adjustments
for the elevators and trim tab before doing that. All travel
measurements check out according to the manual. Other than safety wiring
the turnbuckles for the mass-balance arm, I can't think of anything else
to do before it starts to look like an airplane.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA (looking more like a 912ULS all the time)
Does anyone need a 914 firewall forward kit?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi,
Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.
It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!
I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find
any details on cabin heat.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Brian
(almost G-BYFG)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow transducer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi,
I'm a dealer for MGL Stratomaster, see www.partsforaircraft.co.uk I'm also a Jabiru builder and owner/flyer (sorry it's not a Europa but my garage wasn't big enough). I'm suprised by some of the comments made here about the flow sender. The current model being supplied has a fuel bypass chamber to prevent blockage should the rotor become jammed. The by-pass chamber is clearly visible by looking down the inlet pipe. I have one in my aircraft and my PFA inspector has accepted it. It's the same sender that ST Aviation (UK Jabiru dealer) supply with their in-house fuel computer.
There was an issue with the older style rotating vane senders where no facility
existed for flow by-pass should the rotor get blocked or jammed by debris in
the fuel. The PFA required (at the time) a fuel by-pass system for that type.
In any case, a fuel filter should be fitted in the fuel line and it should be
installed before the fuel sender regardless of type.
Oh, and by the way, the Stratomaster fuel guages will work with any sender and
the 2 1/4" FF-2 and 3 1/2" FF-3 can handle differential flow created by Rotax
fuel return.
Regards,
Paul
G-CBKY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Speak to Bob Harrison he has a heating system that works very well on a
jabiru powered Europa ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Cabin heat
--> Europa-List message posted by: <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi,
Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.
It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!
I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find
any details on cabin heat.
Can anyone help?
Regards
Ivor
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
I divert the hot air off the back of my oil cooler and get ridiculous
amounts of
heat. I have a simple rectangular box behind the oil cooler that has a
cockpit
adjustable slide that will either dump all the hot air overboard if its open
or
divert all the air into the Europa defroster vent. Works great. I have an
external
NACA inlet with a Scat hose to the front side of the oil cooler so there is
no air from the
engine compartment entering the oil cooler.
Glenn
>From: <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Cabin heat
>Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:21:52 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi,
>
>Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.
>It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!
>
>I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find
>any details on cabin heat.
>
>Can anyone help?
>
>Thanks
>
>Brian
>
>(almost G-BYFG)
>
>
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Hi Brian
I have a mono with a Jab 3300. I used a separate NACA duct to take air to a
control box. From there it can be switched to supply freash air to the
cockpit or air to a muff on the muffler where it is heated. From there it
either goes to the air box/filter or to the cockpit or some of both.
I am not flying yet but ground running it seems to work fine.
Tom
On 11/3/06, brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <brian.lonnon@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300
> engine.
> It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!
>
> I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find
> any details on cabin heat.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> Brian
>
> (almost G-BYFG)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Alan
I just got off the phone with "Joe" from the EAA in Oshkosh. It sounds like bringing
experimental aircraft from the UK has been done plenty of times before.
In general terms the process is.
1. The aircraft is first de registered in the UK. I am not sure if you are asked
to provide proof of this or not.
2. You then apply for registration with the FAA. It must be registered with
a legal entity that the FAA can use, for example a US citizen, permanent resident,
or a holding company.
3. You then need to apply for an airworthiness inspection. This doesn't have
to be done by the FAA, a designated inspector is okay. He will be looking for
a condition inspection, and proof that it meets the US rules for amateur build
aircraft, such as the 51% rule. A builders log would help a lot.
You might have trouble getting a repairmens certificate issued, I know Thomas did,
however if your the builder and you can prove it with builders log then I
would just ask for one, chances are there won't be a problem.
Hope this helps, Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Help Required from our American Friends
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Fred
Yes it's British registered and I am hoping to keep it in the U.S. permanently,
I am happy to move it to the N register if that helps as we will be living at
Spruce Creek airpark in Florida for the winters. I am told that the rules covering
experimental aircraft are different to those governing certified aircraft,
but I can't find anyone who actually knows. Just the FAA guy who says NO..!
Any help you can offer would be great.
Kind Regards
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of europa flugzeug fabrik
Sent: 02 November 2006 14:25
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Help Required from our American Friends
--> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
alan(at)kestrel-insurance wrote:
> ...have been dealt a severe blow by your wonderful FAA. I have just been informed
that they will not allow an experimental aircraft built abroad to fly in
U.S. airspace.
Will this be a temporary visit? Is it foreign registered? If yes to both, just
fly the airplane here. Theres foreign registered aircraft which fly here all
the time. ATC doesnt give a hoot, and controllers dont know the fine points of
rules which dont concern them, nor care. I just looked at the Regs, and Im
confused. If theres a rule which says a foreign, amateur-built A/C must be N#
registered (verses registration as an import of a production A/C, retaining its
foreign resgistration), I cant find it yet.
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Before the top goes on |
Thanks to all for the hints. I will safety wire the mass balance arm
turnbuckles. tighten all control adjustments, and tweak the already
installed torque tube level before bonding on the top. I'm also trying
to think of any places that might need to be scuff-sanded later so that
I can do them while it is still two halves. Wings are in and check out
to near perfection thanks to previous builder. I would say that they
were installed perfectly, but my years as an engineer do not permit me
to do so. Have strived but never achieved.
Engine to be determined at a later date.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA
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Hi! Tom
I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't trust a
Jabiru welded muffler?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Friedland
Sent: 03 November 2006 22:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin heat
Hi Brian
I have a mono with a Jab 3300. I used a separate NACA duct to take air
to a control box. From there it can be switched to supply freash air to
the cockpit or air to a muff on the muffler where it is heated. From
there it either goes to the air box/filter or to the cockpit or some of
both.
I am not flying yet but ground running it seems to work fine.
Tom
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Hi Bob
Thanks, I do. 30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my cowl
flap, no high temps.
Tom
On 11/3/06, R.C.Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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> Hi! Tom
>
> I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't trust a
> Jabiru welded muffler?
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland
> *Sent:* 03 November 2006 22:14
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Cabin heat
>
>
> Hi Brian
>
>
> I have a mono with a Jab 3300. I used a separate NACA duct to take air to
> a control box. From there it can be switched to supply freash air to the
> cockpit or air to a muff on the muffler where it is heated. From there it
> either goes to the air box/filter or to the cockpit or some of both.
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> I am not flying yet but ground running it seems to work fine.
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> Tom
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Tom
it's cracks in the system after many hours in flight that will be the
problem. 1/2 an hour is nothing. Vibration and rapid heating/cooling are
the dangers.
Graham
Tom Friedland wrote:
> Hi Bob
>
> Thanks, I do. 30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my
> cowl flap, no high temps.
>
> Tom
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> On 11/3/06, *R.C.Harrison* <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
> <mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
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> Hi! Tom
>
> I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't
> trust a Jabiru welded muffler?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Before the top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Have you got the capping strips on the bulkheads and the balance weight
guides?
Way I do it is do splash layups where the bulkheads etc will bond to the
top skin. After cure cleco on the top and flox the strips to the
bulkheads, wait for the flox to cure then crack the cap strips off the
top skin and take the top off. Now you can do the corner layups in
comfort. When you finally Redux on the top, you can redux on the cap
strips and not have to worry about the corner layups.
Have a look at Paul Stewart's pictures on the Flyer website.
Graham
Europa List wrote:
> Thanks to all for the hints. I will safety wire the mass balance arm
> turnbuckles. tighten all control adjustments, and tweak the already
> installed torque tube level before bonding on the top. I'm also trying
> to think of any places that might need to be scuff-sanded later so
> that I can do them while it is still two halves. Wings are in and
> check out to near perfection thanks to previous builder. I would say
> that they were installed perfectly, but my years as an engineer do not
> permit me to do so. Have strived but never achieved.
>
> Engine to be determined at a later date.
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> Vaughn Teegarden
> N914VA
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| Subject: | Re: Before the top goes on |
Hi Vaughn,
Back your thoughts back from your perfect completed panel/plane.
Imagine everything you desire in it and then think of all the wires,
cables, connectors, and bonded on tie downs to support them. Then if
you don't have anything else to do, close it. If your like me you'll
still have 5 or 10 more things later that will cause you to be saying
man... this sure would be easier if the top was off.
Best Regards,
Jeff
N128LJ / Gold Rush. 55 Hours of Flying Fun!
On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Europa List wrote:
> I am presently scuff-sanding the mating surfaces prior to bonding the
> top on the fuselage. Would it be wise to lock down all the adjustments
> for the elevators and trim tab before doing that. All travel
> measurements check out according to the manual. Other than safety
> wiring the turnbuckles for the mass-balance arm, I can't think of
> anything else to do before it starts to look like an airplane.
> -
> Vaughn Teegarden
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> N914VA (looking more like a 912ULS all the time)
> Does anyone need a 914 firewall forward-kit?
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Thanks Graham
You are the sage and have given years of great advice. Thanks.
I had the inlet and outlet welds on the muffler redone. My CO monitor will
be on always. As as a physician, I am most aware of the insidious problems
with CO.
I have flown for 50 years, all in air cooled engines and none with other
kinds of heat.... I am still flying. (Oops, I don't where the heat from
the redial engines came from, maybe from the oil coolers?)
On the Jab, what are the alternatives? Lots of underwear? Electical? Gas
burners with their own problems? I am happy with my setup.
Tom
On 11/3/06, Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <
> grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
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> Tom
> it's cracks in the system after many hours in flight that will be the
> problem. 1/2 an hour is nothing. Vibration and rapid heating/cooling are
> the dangers.
> Graham
>
> Tom Friedland wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > Thanks, I do. 30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my
> > cowl flap, no high temps.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/06, *R.C.Harrison* <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
> > <mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi! Tom
> >
> > I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't
> > trust a Jabiru welded muffler?
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help Required from our American Friends |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
alan(at)kestrel-insurance wrote:
> ...I am hoping to keep it in the U.S. permanently, I am happy to move it to the
N register if that helps as we will be living at Spruce Creek airpark in Florida
for the winters.
Alan --
The oral opinion Paul obtained seems to me to clearly support what FAR Part 21
literally says, but I recommend you get it in writing. However, a written one
from even a local office manager is not binding upon the agency. Our administrative
law on this rule is said to date back to your rather old principle in
the UK where The King can do wrong. Called "due deference" in our Courts. Deregister
in UK and thence fail with a local FAA guy is called legal limbo.
Write to FAA in Washington and ask for a Chief Counsel Opinion, not a Legal Interpretation. If they back it down to an interp, their privilege. See www.faa.gov. State exactly what the situation is and what you propose -- N# registration, and following an FAA inspection and approval, certification as amateur-built. Say shes on FAAs presumptive list of 51% kits. Describe your rules and how the PFA is really anal about the dinkiest of mods, so no unapproved ones done. Point out that its a motorglider, as a special rule for them. State that one FAA office has advised that you would have to disassemble/reassemble, but that does not meet the 51% rule in the slightest. It makes absolutely no sense to compromise safety in such a bizarre manner -- a perfectly good airplane now under PFA analness. Cite Pauls offering of contrary advice found, so they know to please cogitate over the question.
There is a possibility they might issue an opinion that wont work. I worked 30
years for a federal agency, both civil and criminal enforcement, but we didnt
behave quite the way FAA does. On the FAA web site is a database of FAA legal
opinions. The vast majority appear very sound, but a few Ive read are sophomoric
in analysis or insulting in tone. It suggests a loosely-structured shop of
lawyers who really need the job in high-cost Washington. Unlike many other
federal agencies, theres no future, high six-figure career path for a lawyer in
that field.
Briefly in the 70s, I managed the shop which cranked out opinions under President
Nixons wage/price controls. We called them interpretations, not rulings, as
no procedural regulation gave then that status. Unlike FAAs, ours were appealable,
but the hoot was I was the appeals officer. Hence, my subordinates signed
them, like FAAs interps. Around an $8 trillion (in todays dollars) economy
in part managed by fakery. Nobody wanted the job; I applied for the perceived,
pure fun of it. It was.
If you wish further help in writing to our FAA, just lemme know via private email.
I was a federal bureaucrat once, and how enquirers get treated is what they
say. Very little British idiom in your posts, BTW. We can easily work on
that! Important also in context here, among other matters.
Fred F.
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