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1. 12:18 AM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (Pete Jeffers)
2. 01:24 AM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (scudrunner)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk)
4. 10:25 AM - Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=)
5. 12:06 PM - Aeropoxy information ()
6. 12:46 PM - Outrigger Pivot - Oh, sheesh! (Fergus Kyle)
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| Subject: | Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod |
Hi Howard,
You may have some success if you contact Nigel Charles. He will at the
least know where to source the required materials. You will find his
address and details in the Europa Flyer. His club e mail address is
mods@europaclub.org.uk
Regards
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrunner
Sent: 08 November 2006 16:34
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod
<howard.brooks@nomura-asset.co.uk>
I'm looking to source the materials to do the above modification. Before
going searching the net for steel tubing suppliers, I though it would be
worth asking the (UK members of the) forum if anyone could either recommend
a supplier, or sell me the offcuts left over from when they did the mod?
Basically I need a short length of 3/8 inch stainless steel tube and a short
length of 5/16 inch steel tube (the steel tube needs to be a good fit in the
stainless one). Oh, and some nylon spacers/washers. I guess 6 inches of
tubing would be ample.
Any advice from those who have gone before?
Thanks
Howard
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod |
Thanks Nigel,
I'll follow your revised design and look forward to greater detail when you have
it available.
Howard
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod |
The outrigger mod was designed to reduce wear on a high load area of the
landing gear. The original outrigger pivot was a free turning AN4 bolt which
created wear on the sideplates. The factory added bushes in the plates to
reduce wear however it was only a partial solution. My mod used a pair of
tubes, one Reduxed to the outrigger head and an inner one clamped between
the plates. A grease nipple was included on the front face of the outrigger
head to enable grease to be injected between the tubes to provide regular
lubrication. This provided a crude bearing with the load spread between the
pair of tubes. This was a great improvement but I believe the upgrade to
this mod as I have described will provide even better results.
Nigel Charles
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>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:47:41 -0800
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod
>From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
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>
>Nigel,
>
>I was unaware of the mod you describe below and the reasons for it.
>Could you briefly outline the condition which it is intended to remedy?
>
>Fred
>A194
>STILL working on my wings (sigh)
>
>On Wednesday, November 8, 2006, at 11:18 AM, nigel charles wrote:
>
>> <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>> As the designer of this mod I have a few timely comments.
>>
>> First of all we are looking at updating this mod. The reason is that
>> even using 4130 steel tube for the inner tubing it has a tendency to
>> distort crating drag on the outer tube and causing the pivot to revert
>> to the original arrangement. The future version will use an AN5 bolt
>> instead of the AN4 bolt and inner tube. The bolt will be prevented from
>> rotating by locating the head in a V shaped recess in a plate riveted
>> on
>> the outside of the side plate. An AN5 castellation nut will be used to
>> retain the bolt. For UK builders the original prototype version of this
>> update will need approval by the PFA, but assuming I have no problems
>> with it, I am sure that Andy Draper will allow PFA inspectors to sign
>> off the work. I intend to update my aircraft in January and will report
>> when it has final approval.
>>
>> In the meantime anyone purchasing parts can anticipate being able to
>> copy my update by purchasing the following:
>>
>> 100mm length of 3/8" stainless tube (wall thickness suitable to
>> accommodate an AN5 bolt
>> 2 AN5 bolts (length to match outside width between side plates with
>> castellation nut fitted)
>> 2 AN5 castellation nuts with split pins
>> 4 thin AN5 sized washers to fit either side of the leg
>> 2 pieces of aluminium plate to locate bolt head
>> 4 rivets to attach aluminium plate to sideplate
>> Small quantity of Redux to fix the stainless tube
>>
>> Once I have measured up I will be able to provide a more specific list
>> of the parts required.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nigel Charles
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrunner
>> Sent: 08 November 2006 16:34
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod
>>
>> <howard.brooks@nomura-asset.co.uk>
>>
>> I'm looking to source the materials to do the above modification.
>> Before
>> going searching the net for steel tubing suppliers, I though it would
>> be
>> worth asking the (UK members of the) forum if anyone could either
>> recommend a supplier, or sell me the offcuts left over from when they
>> did the mod?
>>
>> Basically I need a short length of 3/8 inch stainless steel tube and a
>> short length of 5/16 inch steel tube (the steel tube needs to be a good
>> fit in the stainless one). Oh, and some nylon spacers/washers. I guess
>
>> 6
>> inches of tubing would be ample.
>>
>> Any advice from those who have gone before?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod |
Hi Nigel,
I am thinking at doing the same mod to the control stick pivots, as the play in
those pivots is becoming unacceptable.
What do you think of that? Any body has done it?
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 436 hours
As the designer of this mod I have a few timely comments.
First of all we are looking at updating this mod. The reason is that
even using 4130 steel tube for the inner tubing it has a tendency to
distort crating drag on the outer tube and causing the pivot to revert
to the original arrangement. The future version will use an AN5 bolt
instead of the AN4 bolt and inner tube. The bolt will be prevented from
rotating by locating the head in a V shaped recess in a plate riveted on
the outside of the side plate. An AN5 castellation nut will be used to
retain the bolt. For UK builders the original prototype version of this
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| Subject: | Aeropoxy information |
Figured I would share some info I just got from Scott @ Aeropoxy.
I am ready to bond in place my rollbar/shoulder harness attachment, and
would like fill the corner gap with flox to provide a nice routing for
subsequent UNI layup final bond in place.
Anyway would like to do it the same night, and the flox fillet needs to be
firm before final layup.
Scott confirmed I could do a flox fillet with 30 minute cure mix, let it
set, then do final layup on still tacky 30 minute cure mix with a 2 hour
cure mix.
You can wet layup, or tacky layup any combination of 30, 60 or 120 minute
mixes.
You can also mix different hardeners together, like if 30 minute may have
a little too high chance of endotherm, and you are in a rush and 60 minute
is a bit too long, you can blend a 45 minute cure.
30 minute is very red, does not seem to amine blush anywhere near as easy
as 60 minute, works better in low temperature. Cures better in thin
applications.
Downside is you need to be careful of endotherm event, especial when
thick, I would not swear to this, but it seems that it does not allow a
flox mix to spread quite as easy as 60 minute, since it is colored
reddish, don't use red marker on visqueen.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Outrigger Pivot - Oh, sheesh! |
Nigel.........
You have shot me down. You may remember I copied your super mod,
and in the process ordered the minimum lengths of tubing, etc. As am now
doing the mod (just set in the Redux yesterday), I was going to offer the
spares - I made up 8 kits of tubing and washers - to anyone who wants to do
the mod. (In fact I made up many more and mailed them out to ten guys - no
charge - as the parts are cheaper than the postage) and they have to find
the common parts.
Your latest missive probably negates the value of this exercise,
but was going to contact you to do so. What do you think? Can I continue
(not trying to compete) - but hate to waste the bits?
Cheers,
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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