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0. 12:40 AM - WLAS [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:02 AM - TrueTrack Auotopilot (Klaus Dietrich)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot (mau11@free.fr)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: Rotax 912 Spark plug torque setting (mau11@free.fr)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot (nigel charles)
5. 09:42 AM - Re: Rotax 912 Spark plug torque setting ()
6. 10:48 AM - Re: UV Smooth Prime (Richard Scanlan)
7. 11:13 AM - Re: Oil cooler thermostat (Horizonspace@aol.com)
8. 01:16 PM - Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot (Carl Pattinson)
9. 02:11 PM - Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
10. 02:22 PM - Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot (Peter Rees)
11. 02:22 PM - Re: word #### PIT (Tim Ward)
12. 03:18 PM - Re: Doors for Europa (Belinda Glover)
13. 03:37 PM - Re: word #### PIT (Europa List)
14. 03:40 PM - Circuit Diagram - Issue 4 (Dave Moore)
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| Subject: | TrueTrack Auotopilot |
I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold into my
Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the pitch servo.
Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
(the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
Thanks,
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
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| Subject: | Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot |
Salut Klaus
Comment vas-tu?
Depuis que je suis a la retraite, j'ai repris une activit de pilote largueur de
parachutistes a Chalon sur saone.
je travaille avec mon fils qui a achet un Pilatus.
Je viens de commander un altitude hold Altrak VS pour mon Europa, je l'ai recu
au jourd'hui.
Une question: j'ai recu l'altitude hold sans le potentiometre de rglage de la
vitesse verticale,juste le bouton de mise en marche, je pense que c'est un
Altrak standard et non pas un Altrak VS, aurais tu une information a me
communiquer a ce sujet?
Merci, si tu passes dans le coin de Chalon n'hsites pas a t'arrter on a une
station de 95 unleaded a 200m.
On te verra avec plaisir, j'ai dja eu la visite de Michael Scherf la saison
passe.
Salutations
AUVRAY MICHEL
mau11@free.fr
Selon Klaus Dietrich <klaus.dietrich@oracle.com>:
> I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold into my
> Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the pitch servo.
> Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
> (the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
>
> Thanks,
> Klaus
>
> Klaus Dietrich
> Oracle Financing EMEA
> Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
> http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Spark plug torque setting |
I confirm spark plug torque is 20nm.
Michel Auvray
Builder No 145-300 hours flight
mau11@free.fr
Selon "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>:
> <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi Thomas
> Its 20 nm or 180 in lb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Scherer
> Sent: 12 November 2006 21:54
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 Spark plug torque setting
>
>
> to which torque please is a 912 spark plug to be tightened (cold engine) ?
>
> I am going back to the original pistons after experimenting with the Xtra
> (15 hp more ?) pistons.
>
> Thanks
>
> <Thomas, N81EU>
>
>
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| Subject: | TrueTrack Auotopilot |
Hi Klaus
I have not seen the True Track autopilot servo but assuming it is no
bigger than the Navaid one there is no reason why you shouldn't use the
standard mod I produced for the Navaid servo installation. This uses one
of the underseat lockers for the servo with a small hole through the
bracing plywood to the torque tube tunnel. See the mod on the club
website for details. If you need further assistance come back to me
direct at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Dietrich
Sent: 13 November 2006 13:05
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold into my
Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the pitch
servo.
Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
(the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
Thanks,
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Spark plug torque setting |
Hello Thomas
I know on the 914 that the torque is different as compared to the manual I
downloaded (bout a year aga with updates) if you use the Whacker thermal
conductive compound. The Whacker use is in on of Rotax notices and was
issued before 2000.
If you need an immediate answer, call Lockwood or other Service Center.
If can't find, let me know and will look it up at the hanger.
BTW what don't you like about the Xtra pistons?
Ron Parigoris
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Hi Bob, contact is avgashead@btinternet.com. Also got a spare pair if
doors with glass fitted and locking mechanism if you know anybody who is
interested. Richard
Richard Scanlan
Aspen
2 Fulford Way
Woodbury
Exeter
EX5 1NZ
01395 233151
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 12 November 2006 15:13
Subject: RE: Europa-List: UV Smooth Prime
Richard
What's your contact address ?
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Scanlan
Sent: 12 November 2006 19:29
Subject: RE: Europa-List: UV Smooth Prime
Anybody interested in a gallon of pre-prime sealer. I've got a gallon
with hardener, which is not being used as I've handed the finishing over
to the pro's. A few quid and UK postage if anyone's interested, contact
me off forum.
Richard Scanlan #103
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler thermostat |
In a message dated 11/12/2006 5:06:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,
karelvranken@hotmail.com writes:
Svein,
I bought the oil thermostat in Germany by the Rotax dealer Franz. The syste
m
is quiet simple and the instructions for installation are clear. You neet t
o
ask for the connections you want. You can find all this on the net. Franz
Aircraft de. search under Zubeh=F6r =F6lthermostat.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: _Sidsel & Svein Johnsen_ (mailto:sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no)
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil cooler thermostat
Lockwood sells an oil cooler thermostat, presumably suitable for Rotax 912S
.
- Anyone with good experience using this to keep oil temp acceptably high
(problem at my latitudes)?
- Does it come with good installation instructions?
- What other fittings are required to connect it to standard Europa oil
system?
- Any good alternatives?
Thanks!
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
Svein,
We have both the Mocal and the Permacool unit from Lockwood and will most
likely install the Mocal. The Permacool seems to be just a cheap imitation
of
the Mocal. Here are the characteristics we observed:
Mocal: Milled aluminum body; available in several AN-fittings; comes with
mounting bracket
Permacool: Cast aluminum body; 1/2 NPT fittings; no bracket
Both units are identical in size and shape.
Regards,
Tam
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| Subject: | Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot |
vCard
My understanding is that your Europa club mod for the Navaid servo is
for roll as opposed to pitch.
Presumably the altitude hold would require pitch input. It would be
difficult to modify controls in the cockpit module to fit such a servo.
Probably much simpler to fit aft of the cockpit module but in any event
a retrofit will be difficult.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS (Mk1 Europa)
----- Original Message -----
From: nigel charles
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
Hi Klaus
I have not seen the True Track autopilot servo but assuming it is no
bigger than the Navaid one there is no reason why you shouldn't use the
standard mod I produced for the Navaid servo installation. This uses one
of the underseat lockers for the servo with a small hole through the
bracing plywood to the torque tube tunnel. See the mod on the club
website for details. If you need further assistance come back to me
direct at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Dietrich
Sent: 13 November 2006 13:05
To: Europa-List Digest Server
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold into
my Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the pitch
servo.
Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
(the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
Thanks,
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
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| Subject: | Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot |
If you haven't already looked, there are some ideas at
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/LegacyPitchandRoll.pdf
although if the bolt shown were to loosen then the cyclical bending
loads could lead to distress. Probably unlikely, but the consequences of
failure here don't bear thinking about.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Dietrich
To: Europa-List Digest Server
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold into
my Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the pitch
servo.
Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
(the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
Thanks,
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
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| Subject: | Re: TrueTrack Auotopilot |
vCardIf you take a look at:
http://www.trioavionics.com/literature.htm
If you download the altitude hold document, you can see how Trio
recommend doing it - I think that they say you can't just grab hold of
the elevator push rod as a small proportion of the servos push could be
turned into rotation by the rose joints with the consequence of a system
that spends its life 'hunting'.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
My understanding is that your Europa club mod for the Navaid servo is
for roll as opposed to pitch.
Presumably the altitude hold would require pitch input. It would be
difficult to modify controls in the cockpit module to fit such a servo.
Probably much simpler to fit aft of the cockpit module but in any
event a retrofit will be difficult.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS (Mk1 Europa)
----- Original Message -----
From: nigel charles
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
Hi Klaus
I have not seen the True Track autopilot servo but assuming it is no
bigger than the Navaid one there is no reason why you shouldn't use the
standard mod I produced for the Navaid servo installation. This uses one
of the underseat lockers for the servo with a small hole through the
bracing plywood to the torque tube tunnel. See the mod on the club
website for details. If you need further assistance come back to me
direct at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Dietrich
Sent: 13 November 2006 13:05
To: Europa-List Digest Server
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: TrueTrack Auotopilot
I'm about to install the True Track autopilot with altitude hold
into my Europa MkI (monowheel) and wondering where best to install the
pitch servo.
Anybody out there who did such an 2 achses a/p installation already?
(the roll servo installation seems to be reasonable simple)
Thanks,
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich
Oracle Financing EMEA
Tel/Fax: +43 1 33 777 825
http://eofd.oraclecorp.com
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List:word #### PIT |
Carl,
Interesting to see that the word '#### pit' is not 'PC' anymore and should be
referred to as the flight deck as #### pit is ####ruled out!! The increasing number
of female pilots in the industry has brought about discrimination in the
use of the word. Their alternative we thought was OK however that was ruled
out as well. So we are left with flight deck.
So when referring to the #### pit module it is now the flight deck module!!!!
Must be getting old!
Any comments?
Cheers,
Tim
--
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12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch.
Ph. 64 33515166
MOB 0210640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
---- Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> vCard
>
> My understanding is that your Europa club mod for the Navaid servo is for roll
as opposed to pitch.
>
> Presumably the altitude hold would require pitch input. It would be difficult
to modify controls in the ####### module to fit such a servo.
>
> Probably much simpler to fit aft of the ####### module but in any event a retrofit
will be difficult.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS (Mk1 Europa)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doors for Europa |
Hi, if I rebuild our Europa again , I will need the doors a second time!
Will be collecting ebay purchase in Exeter next weekend.01295 788526 or
07713710892
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Scanlan
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: UV Smooth Prime
Hi Bob, contact is avgashead@btinternet.com. Also got a spare pair if
doors with glass fitted and locking mechanism if you know anybody who is
interested. Richard
Richard Scanlan
Aspen
2 Fulford Way
Woodbury
Exeter
EX5 1NZ
01395 233151
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 12 November 2006 15:13
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: UV Smooth Prime
Richard
What's your contact address ?
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Scanlan
Sent: 12 November 2006 19:29
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: UV Smooth Prime
Anybody interested in a gallon of pre-prime sealer. I've got a gallon
with hardener, which is not being used as I've handed the finishing over
to the pro's. A few quid and UK postage if anyone's interested, contact
me off forum.
Richard Scanlan #103
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List:word #### PIT |
Perhaps us male pilots can refer to a ####pit, while female pilots refer to
it as a #####pit.
Just a thought
Vaughn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List:word #### PIT
>
> Carl,
> Interesting to see that the word '#### pit' is not 'PC' anymore and
> should be referred to as the flight deck as #### pit is ####ruled out!!
> The increasing number of female pilots in the industry has brought about
> discrimination in the use of the word. Their alternative we thought was OK
> however that was ruled out as well. So we are left with flight deck.
> So when referring to the #### pit module it is now the flight deck
> module!!!!
> Must be getting old!
> Any comments?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton
> Christchurch.
> Ph. 64 33515166
> MOB 0210640221
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> ---- Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> vCard
>>
>> My understanding is that your Europa club mod for the Navaid servo is for
>> roll as opposed to pitch.
>>
>> Presumably the altitude hold would require pitch input. It would be
>> difficult to modify controls in the ####### module to fit such a servo.
>>
>> Probably much simpler to fit aft of the ####### module but in any event a
>> retrofit will be difficult.
>>
>> Carl Pattinson
>> G-LABS (Mk1 Europa)
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Circuit Diagram - Issue 4 |
Hi,
Back in July, on this forum, Mike Gregory mentioned an Issue 4 of the
wiring circuit diagram.
How / where can I get hold of a copy.?
Both the Factory and Club websites' pdf build manuals show Issue 1
circuit diagrams. (As does my 2003 build manual).
With thanks,
Dave Moore
Monowheel #550
Aberdeen, UK.
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