---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/19/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:02 AM - FW: A query re LG 01 (David.Corbett) 2. 03:20 AM - Re: FW: A query re LG 01 (R.C.Harrison) 3. 04:37 AM - Re: oil thermostat vs cowl flap (nigel charles) 4. 05:44 AM - Re: FW: A query re LG 01 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 5. 06:43 AM - Help Needed (McAllister, Paul) 6. 02:16 PM - To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 7. 03:21 PM - Re: To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) (josok) 8. 06:50 PM - Re: To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) (JEFF ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:52 AM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Classic Europa serial 76 (G-BXIJ) was completed in 1997, and subsequently sold to Robin James; the original owner, who built the aircraft, has since died. The engine has recently been removed from this aircraft to have its sprag clutch changed. Whilst the engine was out - the work was done by Adrian Lloyd at Shobdon - it was noted that the top horizontal fore and aft tubes of the landing gear mounting frame (LG 01) have reinforcement sleeves fitted. These sleeves, which run the full length of the LG 01 top tubes, are not secured to the outer tube at the front, but are very neatly welded at the back end. Robin, who is a professional engineer, reckons that the sleeves are 4130 material, and his calculations suggest that there would have been a 24/1000 clearance between the outer and inner tubes when fitted. Does any early classic builder - or even you, Nev - have any recall as to why reinforcement tubes might have been fitted to this or other early model LG 01's? Andy has suggested that the builder might have made a mess of drilling the holes for the attachment bolts in the top tube, but Adrian has looked carefully in that area and confirms that this does not look to be the case. Any comments will be gratefully received. David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:35 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Hi! David. I'm just a little mystified about "Fore and Aft" description. For the record I also fitted thick walled close fitting aircraft quality tubes and bonded with redux into the LG01 frame adjacent to the "connectors of the engine mount frame" extended aft to the first bolt attachment of the tunnel top. I did it for no reason other than a "gut feeling" of "belt and braces" addition. It seems like you are saying that yours are extended right through and welded into position....good fix I'd say ! Except I'd pressure some runny Redux down the annulus between the tubes from the front. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David.Corbett Sent: 19 November 2006 10:01 Subject: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Classic Europa serial 76 (G-BXIJ) was completed in 1997, and subsequently sold to Robin James; the original owner, who built the aircraft, has since died. The engine has recently been removed from this aircraft to have its sprag clutch changed. Whilst the engine was out - the work was done by Adrian Lloyd at Shobdon - it was noted that the top horizontal fore and aft tubes of the landing gear mounting frame (LG 01) have reinforcement sleeves fitted. These sleeves, which run the full length of the LG 01 top tubes, are not secured to the outer tube at the front, but are very neatly welded at the back end. Robin, who is a professional engineer, reckons that the sleeves are 4130 material, and his calculations suggest that there would have been a 24/1000 clearance between the outer and inner tubes when fitted. Does any early classic builder - or even you, Nev - have any recall as to why reinforcement tubes might have been fitted to this or other early model LG 01's? Andy has suggested that the builder might have made a mess of drilling the holes for the attachment bolts in the top tube, but Adrian has looked carefully in that area and confirms that this does not look to be the case. Any comments will be gratefully received. David ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:58 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: oil thermostat vs cowl flap Hi Remi Thanks for coming back to me. If you have any photos or diagrams showing your setup I would be grateful. In particular how you arrange the linkage and control of the flap would be interesting. Probably best to communicate direct to me at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk. Regards Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R=E9mi Guerner Sent: 17 November 2006 08:35 Subject: Europa-List: oil thermostat vs cowl flap Hello Nigel, Thank you for your comments on my inlet cowl flap you saw in Vichy. Some additional information: the lower position is to be used on the ground only. The flap must be raised to the neutral position just before take-off. If you don=92t, it is very difficult to actuate in flight due to the huge aerodynamic forces. From neutral to the upper position, it can be adjusted at will in flight to control the CHT and oil temperatures: especially useful in winter. Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 435 hours When I was at Vichy this year I met one of our French owners (sorry I forgot his name). He has a very clever inlet cowl flap. It is part of the lower cowl in front of the radiators and has a hinge at the rear of it. In very hot weather it is lowered below the normal cowl allowing more cooling air in. In cold weather it is raised impeding airflow to the radiators. This is all controlled from the cockpit so that inflight adjustments can be made. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:40 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Heavy engines (like the Subaru) had to have the top arms reinforced. This was done with 3/16" wall thickness material. Sleeving on the inside takes a lot more material than you might think to make any appreciable difference to the bending strength of the tube. Sleeving on the outside is of course different matter. There is an 'MPD' requiring inspection of these tubes, where heavier engines are fitted. Although it is the composite that the arms are bolted to that is equally "lacking". Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Hi! David. I'm just a little mystified about "Fore and Aft" description. For the record I also fitted thick walled close fitting aircraft quality tubes and bonded with redux into the LG01 frame adjacent to the "connectors of the engine mount frame" extended aft to the first bolt attachment of the tunnel top. I did it for no reason other than a "gut feeling" of "belt and braces" addition. It seems like you are saying that yours are extended right through and welded into position....good fix I'd say ! Except I'd pressure some runny Redux down the annulus between the tubes from the front. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David.Corbett Sent: 19 November 2006 10:01 To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: FW: A query re LG 01 Classic Europa serial 76 (G-BXIJ) was completed in 1997, and subsequently sold to Robin James; the original owner, who built the aircraft, has since died. The engine has recently been removed from this aircraft to have its sprag clutch changed. Whilst the engine was out - the work was done by Adrian Lloyd at Shobdon - it was noted that the top horizontal fore and aft tubes of the landing gear mounting frame (LG 01) have reinforcement sleeves fitted. These sleeves, which run the full length of the LG 01 top tubes, are not secured to the outer tube at the front, but are very neatly welded at the back end. Robin, who is a professional engineer, reckons that the sleeves are 4130 material, and his calculations suggest that there would have been a 24/1000 clearance between the outer and inner tubes when fitted. Does any early classic builder - or even you, Nev - have any recall as to why reinforcement tubes might have been fitted to this or other early model LG 01's? Andy has suggested that the builder might have made a mess of drilling the holes for the attachment bolts in the top tube, but Adrian has looked carefully in that area and confirms that this does not look to be the case. Any comments will be gratefully received. David -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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My current thought is to remove it, try and find a stainless steel bolt to screw into the fitting on the exhaust pipe to blank it off. So, the question to the forum is, does any one know the size and pitch of the thread on on the exhaust pipe port ? Next problem..... Because Ican't access the forum to read mail while I am on the road I NEED YOUR REPLY TO GO TO paul_mcallister@hotmail.com, NOT TO THE FORUM. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:11 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... Would anyone like to share a helpful hint on applying filler smoothly to a leading edge? The Anti Servo Tab is giving me fits today.... Thanks in advance. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) From: "josok" Hi Brian, Don't think there is a simple trick for this. Basically, apply the filler generously, and sand back later. Honestly, it was difficult, and i was happy to get professional help. Kind regards Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:12 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... :) Hi Brian, I just put it on thick, sometimes using my fingers... gloved of course. Let your large sanding block with 80 grit in diagonal motion one way, then back the other take it back down to the shape of the leading edge. Get with anyone local thats built a glass plane. I did with a local long EZ builder and his advice or on hands experience was priceless. Regards, Jeff A258 Gold Rush @ 55 hours On Nov 19, 2006, at 4:14 PM, EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: > To Those That Have Sanded Before Me... > - > Would anyone like to share a helpful hint on applying filler smoothly > to a leading edge? The Anti Servo Tab is giving me fits today.... > - > Thanks-in advance. > - > Brian Skelly > Europa XS TriGear #A276 > North Texas USA > You can see my build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.