---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/29/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:34 AM - Just A Few Days Left; Trailing Last Year... (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:05 AM - Re: First Flight (R.C.Harrison) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: First Flight (AlStills) 3. 09:45 AM - Re: canopy open (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 4. 09:55 AM - inactive account? (R.C.Harrison) 5. 10:08 AM - Re: canopy open (Graham Singleton) 6. 10:30 AM - Re: canopy open (JEFF ROBERTS) 7. 11:11 AM - Re: canopy open (Raimo Toivio) 8. 11:12 AM - Fw: canopy open (Raimo Toivio) 9. 11:39 AM - Re: inactive account? (Tom Friedland) 10. 12:09 PM - First flight (air.guerner@wanadoo.fr) 11. 12:40 PM - Re: canopy open (Mike Gregory) 12. 12:42 PM - Re: First Flight (karelvranken) 13. 02:19 PM - Ailerons - Classic manual (Fergus Kyle) 14. 03:01 PM - Re: Ailerons - Classic manual (Bill Henderson) 15. 03:09 PM - Re: Palm sanders (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter) 16. 03:15 PM - Re: Ailerons - Classic manual (NevEyre@aol.com) 17. 04:38 PM - Re: Palm sanders (Pete Jeffers) 18. 04:43 PM - Re: First Flight (Garry) 19. 09:38 PM - Re: Ailerons - Classic manual (R.C.Harrison) 20. 09:38 PM - Re: First Flight (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:11 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle DNA; do not archive Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Trailing Last Year... Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response has been very good, but we are behind last year in the number of people that have made a Contribution and as a percentage of the total number of subscribers. Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:03 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight Hi! Alan Congratulations! I'm impressed to manage such long initial flights without needing to tweek the cooling. Be sure to do the head re-torque and valve reset (unless they are hydraulic) at no more than 5 hours, then repeat every 5 hours to 25. You obviously had much better back up with the combination than I did. What were the ambient conditions? Regards BOB HARRISON G-PTAG (in process of changing to 914 Rotax) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlStills Sent: 29 November 2006 03:33 Subject: Europa-List: First Flight A note to all that N625AZ flew for the first time Tues 11/28/06. At 10:34 AM local from KGEU (Glendale Ariz) at the extermely capable hands of Bob Lindsay. First take off was approx 500 ft, climb was normal. Bob took the plane to 3500 ft over the airport and flew for 45 mins before landing to a highly excited builder. All flight was normal, the Jabiru engine ran flawlessly. The plane flew straight and level with no trim imputs at all. Stalls were straight and level with no bad tendencies. At 4:00 PM the plane flew for it's second flight of about 30 mins to expand the flight envelope a little with 60Deg bank and 2 G turns. All was normal and successful. Tomorrow I'll take up with Bob and fly myself for the first time. (If I can get any sleep tonight). Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:29 AM PST US From: "AlStills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight Bob, Ambient temps were approx 55 degs F for first flight and 65 degs F for second flight. Jabiru has come a long ways since you started flying your plane especially in the cowl design from Andy Sylvester at Suncoast Sportplanes. Light winds and broken overcast. Al Stills -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight Hi! Alan Congratulations! I'm impressed to manage such long initial flights without needing to tweek the cooling. Be sure to do the head re-torque and valve reset (unless they are hydraulic) at no more than 5 hours, then repeat every 5 hours to 25. You obviously had much better back up with the combination than I did. What were the ambient conditions? Regards BOB HARRISON G-PTAG (in process of changing to 914 Rotax) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlStills Sent: 29 November 2006 03:33 Subject: Europa-List: First Flight A note to all that N625AZ flew for the first time Tues 11/28/06. At 10:34 AM local from KGEU (Glendale Ariz) at the extermely capable hands of Bob Lindsay. First take off was approx 500 ft, climb was normal. Bob took the plane to 3500 ft over the airport and flew for 45 mins before landing to a highly excited builder. All flight was normal, the Jabiru engine ran flawlessly. The plane flew straight and level with no trim imputs at all. Stalls were straight and level with no bad tendencies. At 4:00 PM the plane flew for it's second flight of about 30 mins to expand the flight envelope a little with 60Deg bank and 2 G turns. All was normal and successful. Tomorrow I'll take up with Bob and fly myself for the first time. (If I can get any sleep tonight). Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:13 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend. I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the runway. The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 years. He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the same time and it did not work very well. The airplane was pretty much destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones. I think he is out of the hospital by now. The point for all of us is: CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Graham Singleton > > > Chuck > glad you had enough wits to FLY THE PLANE. :-) > We can all learn from other peoples mishaps, thanks for telling us. > When my engine boiled on take off, then a hose burst, then the engine > swallowed glycol but unfortunately didn't stop, then? I've no idea but > the trim was badly nose high, (I checked the wreck a few weeks later, > we had a stick top trim button and I guess I nudged it accidentally) so > I must have been pushing hard, glycol on windscreen, not enough power > with trees and barn to avoid, I can only assume My gyro toppled. > Then the power came back suddenly and I guess the extra torque tripped > the left wing, (inside of turn) and in we went from 100 feet or so. At > least it didn't hurt, till later. > I have no memory of the accident but it tool me 6 weeks to get out of > hospital, fortunately most of what they screwed back on works. They were > good those guys but I was lucky. They were doing a trial at the hospital > that day, put as many surgeons as necessary on the case at once, I think > they said 7 guys worked on me at once. IT WORKED but I don't think it > worked for the bean counters. > I really should go back to the hospital and chase them up on their > conclusions to that successful experiment. > One very successful British NHS story. I do find it difficult to respect > beancounters. Our western education system still hasn't learnt what the > real values are. Maybe we should blame the bean counters for global > warming ;-) > Graham > pholosoffing again, sorry > > > >
We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend.  I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the runway.  The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 years.  He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the same time and it did not work very well.  The airplane was pretty much destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones.  I think he is out of the hospital by now.  The point for all of us is:
 
CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST
 
Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL  
 
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From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>

> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
>
>
> Chuck
> glad you had enough wits to FLY THE PLANE. :-)
> We can all learn from other peoples mishaps, thanks for telling us.
> When my engine boiled on take off, then a hose burst, then the engine
> swallowed glycol but unfortunately didn't stop, then? I've no idea but
> the trim was badly nose high, (I checked the wreck a few weeks later,
> we had a stick top trim button and I guess I nudged it accidentally) so
> I must have been pushing hard, glycol on windscreen, not enough power
> with trees and barn to avoid, I can only assume My gyro toppled.
> Then the power came back suddenly and I gu ess th e extra torque tripped
> the left wing, (inside of turn) and in we went from 100 feet or so. At
> least it didn't hurt, till later.
> I have no memory of the accident but it tool me 6 weeks to get out of
> hospital, fortunately most of what they screwed back on works. They were
> good those guys but I was lucky. They were doing a trial at the hospital
> that day, put as many surgeons as necessary on the case at once, I think
> they said 7 guys worked on me at once. IT WORKED but I don't think it
> worked for the bean counters.
> I really should go back to the hospital and chase them up on their
> conclusions to that successful experiment.
> One very successful British NHS story. I do find it difficult to respect
> beancounters. Our western education system still hasn't learnt what the
> real values are. Maybe we should blame the bean counters for global
> warming ;-)
> Gra ham ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:48 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: inactive account? Attention Dale Hetrick .? Tried to e-mail you but responds account inactive? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:13 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open Jim it wasn't a Long EZ it was a Vari Eze, trickier airplane and higher landing speed. Graham jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote: > We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend. > I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the > runway. The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 > years. He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the > same time and it did not work very well. The airplane was pretty much > destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones. I > think he is out of the hospital by now. The point for all of us is: > > CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST > > Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL > > >** >** > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:25 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open Jim, Here's an Idea. I had the local trophy shop make a small 2'' X 6 '' plaque with the take off, landing, and cruise check list engraved in 3 columns. I placed it right at the top of the radio stack. It's black with gold letters and it looks great! Cost was about $8.00. You cannot punch the radio frequencies without looking at it. As you age you get to know your misgivings and one of mine is if it's not written down... I'll forget it! Jeff N128LJ Gold Rush On Nov 29, 2006, at 11:44 AM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote: > We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend.- > I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the > runway.- The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 > years.- He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the > same time and it did not work very well.- The airplane was pretty much > destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones.- I > think he is out of the hospital-by now.- The point-for all of us is: > - > CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST > - >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:22 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open We had here in Finland about one year ago a similar accident and it was fatal. After that and many other similar stories I decided to do something and added four Honeywell micro switches - one for each shooting bolt. All of them must be engaged to get green lights, they are serial connected. Also I decided to use pip-pins to secure doors against unintentionally opening during flight. There is also a label "remove pip pin before landing" - that is for possible emergency exit. Check an attachment. Raimo ==== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: jimpuglise@comcast.net To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend. I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the runway. The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 years. He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the same time and it did not work very well. The airplane was pretty much destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones. I think he is out of the hospital by now. The point for all of us is: CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Graham Singleton > > > Chuck > glad you had enough wits to FLY THE PLANE. :-) > We can all learn from other peoples mishaps, thanks for telling us. > When my engine boiled on take off, then a hose burst, then the engine > swallowed glycol but unfortunately didn't stop, then? I've no idea but > the trim was badly nose high, (I checked the wreck a few weeks later, > we had a stick top trim button and I guess I nudged it accidentally) so > I must have been pushing hard, glycol on windscreen, not enough power > with trees and barn to avoid, I can only assume My gyro toppled. > Then the power came back suddenly and I gu ess th e extra torque tripped > the left wing, (inside of turn) and in we went from 100 feet or so. At > least it didn't hurt, till later. > I have no memory of the accident but it tool me 6 weeks to get out of > hospital, fortunately most of what they screwed back on works. They were > good those guys but I was lucky. They were doing a trial at the hospital > that day, put as many surgeons as necessary on the case at once, I think > they said 7 guys worked on me at once. IT WORKED but I don't think it > worked for the bean counters. > I really should go back to the hospital and chase them up on their > conclusions to that successful experiment. > One very successful British NHS story. I do find it difficult to respect > beancounters. Our western education system still hasn't learnt what the > real values are. Maybe we should blame the bean counters for global > warming ;-) > Gra ham =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:43 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Fw: Europa-List: canopy open We had here in Finland about one year ago a similar accident and it was fatal. After that and many other similar stories I decided to do something and added four Honeywell micro switches - one for each shooting bolt. All of them must be engaged to get green lights, they are serial connected. Also I decided to use pip-pins to secure doors against unintentionally opening during flight. There is also a label "remove pip pin before landing" - that is for possible emergency exit. Check an attachment. Raimo ==== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: jimpuglise@comcast.net To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend. I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the runway. The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 years. He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the same time and it did not work very well. The airplane was pretty much destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones. I think he is out of the hospital by now. The point for all of us is: CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Graham Singleton > > > Chuck > glad you had enough wits to FLY THE PLANE. :-) > We can all learn from other peoples mishaps, thanks for telling us. > When my engine boiled on take off, then a hose burst, then the engine > swallowed glycol but unfortunately didn't stop, then? I've no idea but > the trim was badly nose high, (I checked the wreck a few weeks later, > we had a stick top trim button and I guess I nudged it accidentally) so > I must have been pushing hard, glycol on windscreen, not enough power > with trees and barn to avoid, I can only assume My gyro toppled. > Then the power came back suddenly and I gu ess th e extra torque tripped > the left wing, (inside of turn) and in we went from 100 feet or so. At > least it didn't hurt, till later. > I have no memory of the accident but it tool me 6 weeks to get out of > hospital, fortunately most of what they screwed back on works. They were > good those guys but I was lucky. They were doing a trial at the hospital > that day, put as many surgeons as necessary on the case at once, I think > they said 7 guys worked on me at once. IT WORKED but I don't think it > worked for the bean counters. > I really should go back to the hospital and chase them up on their > conclusions to that successful experiment. > One very successful British NHS story. I do find it difficult to respect > beancounters. Our western education system still hasn't learnt what the > real values are. Maybe we should blame the bean counters for global > warming ;-) > Gra ham =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:17 AM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: inactive account? Hi Bob I have Dales email address as gdh@isp.com. Phone is: 760 723 3076 Tom Friedland On 11/29/06, R.C.Harrison wrote: > > Attention Dale Hetrick .? > > > Tried to e-mail you but responds account inactive? > > > Regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > Robt.C.Harrison > > > Do not archive. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:19 PM PST US From: air.guerner@wanadoo.fr Subject: Europa-List: First flight Good job Al, congratulations; enjoy your own first flight in your Europa; Best regards Remi F-PGKL A note to all that N625AZ flew for the first time Tues 11/28/06. At 10:34 AM local from KGEU (Glendale Ariz) at the extermely capable hands of ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:08 PM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: canopy open I quite agree that prevention is better than cure, and anything that people do to pay attention to checklists/warning lights/checking security to ensure that the canopy doors are properly locked before takeoff is to be welcomed. I am not convinced of the desirability of having any additional one locking mechanism to prevent opening in flight that might either prevent the pilot/passenger or outside rescuers from opening the canopy in the event of a crash landing. If, for example your engine failed on takeoff and you had to make an immediate forced landing without being able to choose where and without time to unlock the doors, you would not wish to jeopardise your chances of survival further by being locked in. Graham is right: you must FLY THE AEROPLANE. If, for whatever reason, prevention has failed and a canopy door does unlatch in flight, then the handling pilot should think very carefully before deciding to risk holding onto the door if he is flying solo. Chuck Rhoads was fortunate to get away with it ("the landing became interesting because I had never used my right hand on the controls and thus there was no easy to control throttle, trim, etc. The landing actually turned out to be pretty good..."). The Europa will fly perfectly well after losing a door, and it may be far better to have this happen and accept that there will be a relatively minor repair than to risk the far more serious consequences of losing proper control, of which we have been given vivid examples in previous messages. Mike Gregory Europa Club Safety Officer _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 29 November 2006 19:15 Subject: Fw: Europa-List: canopy open We had here in Finland about one year ago a similar accident and it was fatal. After that and many other similar stories I decided to do something and added four Honeywell micro switches - one for each shooting bolt. All of them must be engaged to get green lights, they are serial connected. Also I decided to use pip-pins to secure doors against unintentionally opening during flight. There is also a label "remove pip pin before landing" - that is for possible emergency exit. Check an attachment. Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: canopy open We had an unlatched canopy incident here at Punta Gorda last weekend. I Long Eze went in about a half mile from the departure end of the runway. The pilot is 72 and has been flying the airplane for 25 years. He tried to hold the canopy down and fly the airplane at the same time and it did not work very well. The airplane was pretty much destroyed but he got out with some bruises and a few broken bones. I think he is out of the hospital by now. The point for all of us is: CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST -- CHECKLIST Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: Graham Singleton > > > Chuck > glad you had enough wits to FLY THE PLANE. :-) > We can all learn from other peoples mishaps, thanks for telling us. >snip< > Gra ham ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:26 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Congratulations Al, now real fun starts and gives a happy feeling. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "AlStills" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:32 AM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight > > A note to all that N625AZ flew for the first time Tues 11/28/06. At 10:34 > AM > local from KGEU (Glendale Ariz) at the extermely capable hands of > Bob Lindsay. First take off was approx 500 ft, climb was normal. Bob took > the plane to 3500 ft over the airport and flew for 45 mins before landing > to a highly excited builder. All flight was normal, the Jabiru engine ran > flawlessly. The plane flew straight and level with no trim imputs at all. > Stalls > were straight and level with no bad tendencies. > At 4:00 PM the plane flew for it's second flight of about 30 mins to > expand > the flight envelope a little with 60Deg bank and 2 G turns. All was normal > and successful. Tomorrow I'll take up with Bob and fly myself for the > first > time. (If I can get any sleep tonight). > > Al Stills > N625AZ > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:59 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual Cheers, It`s re-assemble time for the wings aftrer finishing, and I`m trying to attach the ailerons to the wing. Nowhere can I find the detailed sketch of the attachment of aileron cross rod (with the endfitting) to the AN4 bolt protruding from the aileron, I presume it`s much like the others - EURO11 washer inside, then endfitting, then EURO11 washer and MS41024-4 locknut to tighten. But I don`t like to presume. Could someone kindly point me to the proper diagram, as have scuttled through several chapters without luck? Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:17 PM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual Ferg, It's on page 8-23, Figure 40 of the Classic manual. The figure appears to be just for the bellcrank, but in the writeup it say to use for the aileron end also. Bill A010 Monowheel Classic Rotax 912ULS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual > > Cheers, > It`s re-assemble time for the wings aftrer finishing, and I`m > trying > to attach the ailerons to the wing. Nowhere can I find the detailed sketch > of the attachment of aileron cross rod (with the endfitting) to the AN4 > bolt > protruding from the aileron, > I presume it`s much like the others - EURO11 washer inside, then > endfitting, then EURO11 washer and MS41024-4 locknut to tighten. > But I don`t like to presume. > Could someone kindly point me to the proper diagram, as have > scuttled through several chapters without luck? > > Ferg Kyle > Europa A064 914 Classic > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:42 PM PST US From: Kevin And Ann Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Palm sanders Hi Mike, I'd say don't use any thing that spins or rotates. Just a "jitterbug" vibrating type. I used a DeWalt 1/4 sheet (square)sander. I've seen 1/2 sheet (rectangle) models that would probably work even better (faster). Kevin XS Mono 914 Mike Gamble wrote: > Seeking recommendations for the most useful palm sander to use for > sanding the various filled bits prior to painting, > I see belt, orbital, random orbital, detail sanders with circular, > triangular, rectangular and square bases. > Help. > > Mike Gamble > XS mono 440 > >* > > >* > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:54 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual Hi Ferg, Not got a Manual to hand..... but what you are describing is correct, there should be one EUR001 washer embedded in the aileron root rib, the MW4 rod end goes over the that, and a second EUR001 goes over that, with a stiffnut. If needed to achieve clearence of the root rib closeout, a further washer can go under the MW4 to space it out. Make sure that EUR001 washers are used, the OD of those is larger than the AN960 series,and will prevent the rod end from coming off, if the ball housing should fail [ ie, the OD of the EUR001 will not pass through the ''eye'' of the rod end] I have picked that up on Final Inspections, where builders have mistakenly used the smaller washers. Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:36 PM PST US From: "Pete Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Palm sanders Hi Mike & Steve, A WORD OF CAUTION Just remember that most car sprayers will be working on steel sheet and when you hit that with a sander it is not the same as hitting soft composite! The surface area of a power sander is also very small and it will be very difficult/impossible to produce flat surfaces or regular curved surfaces. Hand sanding is better and much safer. Pete J _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt Sent: 28 November 2006 12:50 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Palm sanders Dear Mike I used a small orbital palm sander from B&Q and this seemed to do the trick. Be careful that you do not dig into the surface with any sander you use or it will ruin your day. I think I used the sander for cutting back the main filling but then hand sanded after that. It gave more control and a better feel for the finish - car sprayers use electric tools but then they are experienced with what they are doing. I am still waiting for my Permit which is why I am still grounded. Very frustrating. Regards Steve "http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com "http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List 18:09 -- 18:09 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:43 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Bob Harrison wrote................ " Be sure to do the head re-torque > and valve reset (unless they are hydraulic) at no more than 5 hours, > then repeat every 5 hours to 25. I would like to remind all Rotax drivers to periodically check the torque on the head bolts of their engines. This past weekend I sprang a major in-flight oil leak necessitating an emergency landing. Oil was gushing from between the head and the cylinder. Upon landing I checked the head bolts on that cylinder and found two of the four to be less than finger loose. After tightening them up, I checked all the other cylinders too, and found 3 of the remaining 12 bolts to be slightly loose. All should be torqued to 200 inch pounds. For reference purposes, my 914 engine is 7 year old with almost 500 hours on it.........and I never checked the head bolt torque before. Garry Stout N4220S A060 TriGear ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:19 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual Hi! Ferg I have chapter 8 Page 7 for the sectional view of the bolt AN4-10 then CH8-22 for the Aileron Link- Rod. Compliments of the season to you and yours. Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 29 November 2006 22:19 Subject: Europa-List: Ailerons - Classic manual Cheers, It`s re-assemble time for the wings aftrer finishing, and I`m trying to attach the ailerons to the wing. Nowhere can I find the detailed sketch of the attachment of aileron cross rod (with the endfitting) to the AN4 bolt protruding from the aileron, I presume it`s much like the others - EURO11 washer inside, then endfitting, then EURO11 washer and MS41024-4 locknut to tighten. But I don`t like to presume. Could someone kindly point me to the proper diagram, as have scuttled through several chapters without luck? Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:19 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight Thanks for the "heads up" on this Garry. I hope the Rotax heads are not prone to warping too ! Regards Bob H G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Sent: 30 November 2006 00:43 Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Bob Harrison wrote................ " Be sure to do the head re-torque > and valve reset (unless they are hydraulic) at no more than 5 hours, > then repeat every 5 hours to 25. I would like to remind all Rotax drivers to periodically check the torque on the head bolts of their engines. This past weekend I sprang a major in-flight oil leak necessitating an emergency landing. Oil was gushing from between the head and the cylinder. Upon landing I checked the head bolts on that cylinder and found two of the four to be less than finger loose. After tightening them up, I checked all the other cylinders too, and found 3 of the remaining 12 bolts to be slightly loose. All should be torqued to 200 inch pounds. For reference purposes, my 914 engine is 7 year old with almost 500 hours on it.........and I never checked the head bolt torque before. 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