Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 12/01/06


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 12:32 AM - Altitude Hold. (Mike Parkin)
     2. 01:42 AM - Re: Altitude Hold. (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
     3. 02:04 AM - Re: Oil return hose / 914 (David Joyce)
     4. 02:47 AM - Re: Altitude Hold. (Graham Singleton)
     5. 06:00 AM - Re: First Flight (AlStills)
     6. 06:29 AM - First Flight (AlStills)
     7. 01:33 PM - Cooling diffuser (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=)
     8. 02:20 PM - Re: Open canopy (William Daniell)
     9. 02:28 PM - Perfect cooling diffuser (GLENN CROWDER)
    10. 02:57 PM - Re: Cooling diffuser (Gilles Thesee)
    11. 03:18 PM - Re: Perfect cooling diffuser (Gilles Thesee)
    12. 03:25 PM - Re: Perfect cooling diffuser (Graham Singleton)
    13. 03:27 PM - Re: Cooling diffuser (Gilles Thesee)
    14. 03:58 PM - Re: Open canopy (Tim Ward)
    15. 08:33 PM - Re: Perfect cooling diffuser (GLENN CROWDER)
    16. 09:48 PM - Re: First Flight (danbish)
    17. 11:31 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    18. 11:36 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:32:06 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
    Subject: Altitude Hold.
    As the pound is so strong to the dollar at the moment, thought I might buy an EZ Pilot Altitude hold as a Christmas present to myself. Is anyone flying with the EZ-1 Altitude Hold -- comments would be appreciated. Also does anyone have a successful Europa XS installation scheme - preferably PFA approved. Regards, Mike


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    Time: 01:42:37 AM PST US
    From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
    Subject: Altitude Hold.
    Hi Mike I'd be very interested to hear how you get on with this - I think that the products from TRIO are great. I think that the method of connecting the servo to the elevator recomended by TRIO will involve a lot of crawling into the back of the aeroplane so if you come out with a successful way of fitting it without doing this, I'd be even more intersted. Good luck and please let us know. Regards Peter ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/


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    Time: 02:04:55 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Oil return hose / 914
    I wouldn't want to dispute the seriousness of Garry's oil pipe failure, but I ran my 914 with Europa supplied original oil pipe in their fire sleeve according to their route, aiming to give maximum clearance from any hot bits. It clearly became hard and shiny at the front end within few hours flying but remained that way without problem until I changed it at 4 yrs/400+hrs. The replacement (Europa/Rotax standard) with a slightly thicker fire sleeve is going well 100hrs later. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil return hose / 914 Actually, I was one of the earliest 914 Europa drivers in the US.......first flight being in 1999. With about 50 hours of flight I had the oil return line "carbonize", and burst in flight. Fortunately, no fire but lots of smoke. The oil return line provided by Europa (or perhaps it was Rotax), was junk. I replaced it with a stainless steel braided oil line, covered the line with firesleave, and further wrapped a stainless steel jacket around the line where it comes closest to the exhaust system. 400 hours later, no problem. A better solution however, is to turn the banjo fitting at the bottom of the engine so as to face forward. Then route the oil return line forward to the front of the engine and then backward to the oil tank, keeping the line far away from any exhaust components. A "stock" oil return line, fitted per instructions WILL burn up. Please take this advice seriously. Garry Stout N4220S A060 Trigear ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Oil return hose / 914 Hi! Gert Whilst I'm not a 914 "driver" YET.. I seem to remember that there has been an issue over this problem that involved re-routing the pipe /changing the direction of the "banjo" fitting to take the hose away from either the manifold or muffler heat? I'm all ears for messages from those who have been previously informed. Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert Dalgaard Sent: 30 November 2006 19:17 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Oil return hose / 914 Hi I have had an quite unpleasant experience while doing my annual. The last month or so I have noticed a ( - very week) smell of "hot oil" sometimes during take of...... and funny enough only during take of. Could not localize the reason until now when disassembling the different parts under the cowling for the 100 hours/annual check. It looks like the oil - return - hose have been more than hot under the asbestos - fire - sleeve, and therefore have changed to a kind of "glasslike". I am sure it would have collapsed within the next hours. The oil - line have been routed according to Rotax installation manual and instructions from Europa - app. 90 degree to the stb. side and up alongside the intake manifold to the top of the oil-tank The problem is on that piece of the hose that runs between the turbo unit and the bottom of the engine. You better put that oil-line on your check - list if you fly behind a 914' ... FYI - I have never seen higher oil-temp's than 110C (app. 230F) according to the log in my FlyDat. Have other had similar experiences? Gert OY-GDS NB - remember to make a notice about Endelave '07 in your agenda :-)


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    Time: 02:47:46 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Altitude Hold.
    Klaus Dietrich is fitting one this winter. He already has the wing leveller. Graham Mike Parkin wrote: > As the pound is so strong to the dollar at the moment, thought I might > buy an EZ Pilot Altitude hold as a Christmas present to myself. > > Is anyone flying with the EZ-1 Altitude Hold -- comments would be > appreciated. > > Also does anyone have a successful Europa XS installation scheme - > preferably PFA approved. > > > > Mike > >* > > >* >


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    Time: 06:00:53 AM PST US
    From: "AlStills" <astills@cox.net>
    Subject: First Flight
    Tom, Bob Lindsay 1117 Isabella Coronado CA 92118 619/435-1088 Quite a pilot, and very versital in the Europa. Couldn't ask for a better test pilot. Al Stills' N625AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:40 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Congratulations Al Do you have Bob Linsay's phone #? My Jab/Airmaster XS mono is getting close to cutting the bonds. Tom Friedland N96V Ellensburg WA On 11/28/06, AlStills <astills@cox.net> wrote: A note to all that N625AZ flew for the first time Tues 11/28/06. At 10:34 AM local from KGEU (Glendale Ariz) at the extermely capable hands of Bob Lindsay. First take off was approx 500 ft, climb was normal. Bob took the plane to 3500 ft over the airport and flew for 45 mins before landing to a highly excited builder. All flight was normal, the Jabiru engine ran flawlessly. The plane flew straight and level with no trim imputs at all. Stalls were straight and level with no bad tendencies. At 4:00 PM the plane flew for it's second flight of about 30 mins to expand the flight envelope a little with 60Deg bank and 2 G turns. All was normal


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    Time: 06:29:02 AM PST US
    From: "AlStills" <astills@cox.net>
    Subject: First Flight
    A little note to all on further flights on N625AZ. I've put approximately 5 flight hours on the plane with 3.5 hrs of dual with Bob Lindsay to meet Insurance requirements. All I can say is !!!What a plane!!!. The stalls are straight foreword with a left wing drop in the dirty configuration, easily caught with right rudder but something to pay attention to. So far have been able to catch in about 150 ft. With practice should be able to catch in 50 ft. This is not your old Cessna ! The Jabiru engine has powered the flight perfectly. The engine temps have been controllable and are getting better as the engine brakes in. Sink rate at flair on landing is a bit more than the heavier Cirrus but again, practice will make perfect when it come to landing. This little bird can really handle crosswind landing as demonstrated Wednesday with 90 Deg crosswinds @ 16 Kts gusting to 25 Kts. Quite a sight picture looking out front while landing and yawed to almost 60 Degs off the runway coming in. Kick out to land and it makes you look like a pro! (The pro Bob Lindsay was flying). Haven't pushed the climb rate yet as having to keep the temps in line but 500 Ft per min is very easy and a good target on brake in. Demonstrated VNE with 3 G on the frame with no adverse reaction at all. Steep turns are like on a rail. I think easier to hold than the bigger planes. Power on stalls get you the Europa bobble so plenty of warning and easily controllable. I'll post a little more for those installing Jabiru's after I get some hours on it. Pay attention to cooling air before getting into air. A good baffling in the RAM air ducts is a must. The airmaster will not handle the temps during brake in. ( at least in mine), so borrowed a Jabiru 60 X 48 climb prop for brake in. Max RPM so far has been 2850 RPM with 2650 at take off. The only problem I've had is a piece of matter through the carb to cause a jolt to the engine. Landed and took some building matter out of the gascolater that had been shook up during the trials. I did change the fuel system over to the same as Steve Hager with the 2 filters (I used 2" filters) in a parallel system so there is one working should one get plugged up. So far just little matter in the filters. Al Stills N625AZ


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    Time: 01:33:06 PM PST US
    From: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?= <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
    Subject: Cooling diffuser
    Bonjour Gilles, Your web site is full of very interesting experiments and test results I always enjoy reading. Regarding engine cooling, it seems everybody agrees that the design of the cowling of the Europa XS is far from optimum and MCRs, especially yours, are a lot better regarding cooling drag and efficiency in flight . But I am just curious to know how it performs ON THE GROUND. Do you have any measurement available such as CHT vs time from a cold start, at a given OAT, with the engine running at high idle, in no wind condition? Do you get a CHT stabilization ? Remi Guerner Europa F-PGKL


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    Time: 02:20:00 PM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Open canopy
    Add my thanks too - there but for the grace of god go we all. Likewise interested knowing more about the GEO option Will _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 16:07 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Open canopy Chuck, Thanks given that you and the plane are OK. It's possible for the rear shoot bolt to miss the guide, giving the doors a push when latched will show if anything is amiss. How about updating the list on the engine capacity, fuel burn and cruise perfomance of the Geo engine ? Dave C-FBZI. Only 35 hours, but finally all the paperwork OK'd by transport Canada, so I can go places next year. Now bringing it into a heated hangar with a list of things to fix or improve !


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    Time: 02:28:52 PM PST US
    From: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Perfect cooling diffuser
    I created an almost exact copy of the Kuchemann/Weber perfect diffuser on my Europa to try and keep my 135 hp EA81 cool. All cooling on the EA81 is thru the water jacket and none is done by air cooling on the 912/914 so the ducting has to be good. Both cooling in the air and ground are very good. I can run the engine as long as desired at 1800 rpm on the ground without over heating even on a 100 F day. In the air, water temps to go 200 F after a 2 minute climbout then drop back to 185 for cruise. There is a 12" long diffuser section that expands like a bell to slow and pressurize the incoming air. After the rad, there is a converging duct that accelerates the hot air back to free stream. There also is a pull up cowl flap inside the converging section that allows most of the incoming air to be shut off under cruise conditions, adding 10 mph by cutting the flow and associated drag when its not needed. Works great! Glenn _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01


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    Time: 02:57:39 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Cooling diffuser
    Salut Rmi, > But I am just curious to know how it performs ON THE GROUND. Do you > have any measurement available such as CHT vs time from a cold start, > at a given OAT, with the engine running at high idle, in no wind > condition? Do you get a CHT stabilization ? > > > Thanks for the kind words. No problem on the ground. During first run ups we ran the engine as long as 30 minutes continuous with several full power runs then fast idle periods. I did not take special measurements on the ground, only monitoring CHT during warm up, taxi, etc...The aircraft was test flown from - 14C to + 37C OAT. I can do take the measurements you require when flying with a helpful passenger, but since we're in autumn, you'll have to wait until summer for hot day conditions. Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 03:18:31 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Perfect cooling diffuser
    Glenn, > > There is a 12" long diffuser section that expands like a bell to > slow and pressurize the incoming air. After the rad, there is a > converging duct that accelerates the hot air back to free stream. > There also is a pull up cowl flap inside the converging section > that allows most of the incoming air to be shut off under cruise > conditions, adding 10 mph by cutting the flow and associated > drag when its not needed. This is the way to go. Nice work designing and constructing your cooling duct and cowl flap. Kchemann is indeed a excellent basis to start from. We had long discussions with Michel Colomban, of Cri-Cri and Ban Bi fame, who also used calculated sections similar to Kchemann's theoretical curves. Since I had the opportunity to build a small wind-tunnel, I chose to use the stream-line approach (also in Kchemann's book), to exactly match our radiator block characteristics. The results showed that a shorter -hence less lossy- diffuser was adequate in our case. We also had to manage cylinder cooling air and intercooler duct. Your cowling looks very sexy. Congratulations, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 03:25:34 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Perfect cooling diffuser
    Glenn Which Subaru conversion did you use, the weak link often seems to be the reduction drive. Graham GLENN CROWDER wrote: > I created an almost exact copy of the Kuchemann/Weber perfect > diffuser on my Europa to try and keep my 135 hp EA81 cool. > All cooling on the EA81 is thru the water jacket and none is done by air > cooling on the 912/914 so the ducting has to be good. > Both cooling in the air and ground are very good. I can run the > engine as long as desired at 1800 rpm on the ground without over > heating even on a 100 F day. In the air, water temps to go 200 F > after a 2 minute climbout then drop back to 185 for cruise. > There is a 12" long diffuser section that expands like a bell to > slow and pressurize the incoming air. After the rad, there is a > converging duct that accelerates the hot air back to free stream. > There also is a pull up cowl flap inside the converging section > that allows most of the incoming air to be shut off under cruise > conditions, adding 10 mph by cutting the flow and associated > drag when its not needed. Works great! > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________________ > View Athletes Collections with Live Search > http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >


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    Time: 03:27:26 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Cooling diffuser
    Graham, > > It certainly does help. Have you had any discussions with Kim Prout? I > would love to listen to a conference between you two and Kim's father > Paul. > How often do things have to be invented more than once? Thank you for your message. I never discussed with Kim, but the research and discussions (lots of them) were most interesting. The knowledge on radiator cooling is at hand, all we have to do is share what we have learned. Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 03:58:52 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Open canopy
    Interesting discussion on the risk of the canopy opening. One thing I do when I have a young passenger on board is put a rubberband around the door lever and the protective combing. Reason is just in case we hit some turbulence and the instinctive reaction of a young person generally is to grab something to hold. The rubberband prevents it from moving up and can be broken in an emergency. The other thing I have done is to place some stainless steel protectors on the door combing where the bolts enter to not only protect the composite from doors closing with the bolts still protruding but also to assist with a better secure bolts lock when closed. These are screwed into place with stainless steel self taping screws. Cheers, Tim Monowheel Classic #292 103 hours ZK-TIM Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz


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    Time: 08:33:48 PM PST US
    From: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Perfect cooling diffuser
    Hi Graham! I used the Marcotte M150 drive made in Canada. Its been very good so far. http://www.geocities.com/rayfiset/psru.html More info here: http://www.sdsefi.com/air14.html The engine was built by Ram Performance Subaru in Dayton Ohio http://www.ramengines.com He has a new 200 hp Supercharged EA81 with Rotrex supercharger on his site now. I don't know of any unhappy users at this time! Glenn >From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Perfect cooling diffuser >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:29:01 +0000 > ><grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> > >Glenn >Which Subaru conversion did you use, the weak link often seems to be the >reduction drive. >Graham > >GLENN CROWDER wrote: > >>I created an almost exact copy of the Kuchemann/Weber perfect >>diffuser on my Europa to try and keep my 135 hp EA81 cool. >>All cooling on the EA81 is thru the water jacket and none is done by air >>cooling on the 912/914 so the ducting has to be good. >>Both cooling in the air and ground are very good. I can run the >>engine as long as desired at 1800 rpm on the ground without over >>heating even on a 100 F day. In the air, water temps to go 200 F >>after a 2 minute climbout then drop back to 185 for cruise. >>There is a 12" long diffuser section that expands like a bell to >>slow and pressurize the incoming air. After the rad, there is a >>converging duct that accelerates the hot air back to free stream. >>There also is a pull up cowl flap inside the converging section >>that allows most of the incoming air to be shut off under cruise >>conditions, adding 10 mph by cutting the flow and associated >>drag when its not needed. Works great! >> >>Glenn >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>View Athletes Collections with Live Search >>http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger.


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    Time: 09:48:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight
    From: "danbish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
    Al, Way to go man! Can't wait to see her in action. Will try to get up there sometime this month if you're going be around. I'll call soon. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Europa-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Europa-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive


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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Europa-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Europa-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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