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1. 02:06 AM - Re: SPRL Locking gas caps (David Joyce)
2. 05:45 AM - avionics cut outs (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
3. 06:33 AM - AW: avionics cut outs (Ing. Gottfried Komaier)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: AW: avionics cut outs (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: avionics cut outs (Steve Hagar)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: avionics cut outs (Graham Singleton)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: avionics cut outs ()
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| Subject: | Re: SPRL Locking gas caps |
Hum, It's nearly 4$ per litre over here, well 3 anyway, a litre being only
about a fifth of one of our gallons! On the other hand I don't recall anyone
reporting having their fuel siphoned off. However I have heard several
reports of rain getting in thru the locking cap!
Seasonal Greetings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: SPRL Locking gas caps
> Team,
>
> In this age of $4 a gallon Av gas, I've decided it is probably a good
idea
> to install a locking gas cap on N245E. I ordered a locking SPRL cap from
> Spruce, since it appeared to be the same as what was shipped with my kit,
but it
> appears that the manufacturer has changed the design slightly since I
took
> delivery of my kit in 2002. The old flange won't work with the new style
cap.
> Short of major surgery to install a new flange, I don't see a way to get
a
> locking cap now that the design has changed.
>
> Anybody know where I can get an old style locking cap? I tried Europa
2004
> and they didn't respond to my e-mail. I also tried the SPRL factory
website,
> but I don't see the type used on the Europa (old or new). Spruce's
customer
> service wasn't any help, either.
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying - 73.4 hours
> Jabiru 3300 w/ Sensenich hollow carbon prop
>
>
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| Subject: | avionics cut outs |
Hi All,
I'm just getting to the point of digging deep into the
proverbial pocket and order the avionics. I was thinking of fitting the
Becker 4201 and the Filser TRT 600. both these units require 2 1/4 in
cut outs in the avionics panel. I have the aluminum removable panel from
Europa. My question is, whats the best way of cutting the holes ? and
whats your opinion of these two units ? I know we don't have to fit mode
S yet, but I fear it's coming !!
Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
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| Subject: | avionics cut outs |
Hi Danny,
Did you mean Filser TRT 800 Transponder?
Gottfried
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk
Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Dezember 2006 14:45
An: matronics
Betreff: Europa-List: avionics cut outs
--> <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Hi All,
I'm just getting to the point of digging deep into the proverbial
pocket and order the avionics. I was thinking of fitting the Becker 4201 and
the Filser TRT 600. both these units require 2 1/4 in cut outs in the
avionics panel. I have the aluminum removable panel from Europa. My question
is, whats the best way of cutting the holes ? and whats your opinion of
these two units ? I know we don't have to fit mode S yet, but I fear it's
coming !!
Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
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| Subject: | Re: avionics cut outs |
No, it's the Filser TRT 600. as advertised in "afeonline.com" 200 ukp
cheeper !!!
Ing. Gottfried Komaier wrote:
>
> Hi Danny,
>
> Did you mean Filser TRT 800 Transponder?
>
> Gottfried
>
> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von
> danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk
> Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Dezember 2006 14:45
> An: matronics
> Betreff: Europa-List: avionics cut outs
>
> --> <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
> I'm just getting to the point of digging deep into the proverbial
> pocket and order the avionics. I was thinking of fitting the Becker 4201 and
> the Filser TRT 600. both these units require 2 1/4 in cut outs in the
> avionics panel. I have the aluminum removable panel from Europa. My question
> is, whats the best way of cutting the holes ? and whats your opinion of
> these two units ? I know we don't have to fit mode S yet, but I fear it's
> coming !!
>
> Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
>
>
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| Subject: | avionics cut outs |
Find someone with a numerically controlled water jet machine. I had both
my radio subpanel and instrument panel done for $70. With a water jet
there is not tool changing and no need to do any deburring, all edges are
smooth. The unlikely place I found a water jet was next to the cemetary
at the place that sold tombstones. The granite tombstones are engraved
with a waterjet. I was fortunate that I use Auto CAD at work so that is
where the majority of the work comes from. Once drawn up the file is
downloaded to the jet. The machine is turned on and you watch it do its
job. cutting all screw holes and shaping the panel.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: avionics cut outs |
Steve
Water jet is the best way to cut 4130 steel too. With laser cutting the
edges come out glass hard and drilling a laser cut hole to size will
ruin normal drills after about three holes. Another tee shirt I have
worn out ;-)
Graham
Steve Hagar wrote:
>
>Find someone with a numerically controlled water jet machine. I had both
>my radio subpanel and instrument panel done for $70.
>
>Steve Hagar
>A143
>Mesa AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: avionics cut outs |
Hello Danny
I have a Becker 4201 and TRT250. Also using a PS Engineering PMA-4000-IRS
audio panel.
Sorry but can't help out with using 4201, havn't yet fired it up.
I used a flycutter to cut holes, think I purchased it from Aircraft
Spruce.Be prepared to get dirty, I used a cutting fluid that was Lard, but
whatever you do keep it plenty wet.
You need a piece of alloy to practice on to get hole sized proper.
Anticipate which way loads will be on tool, and load the tool before
tightening. This will put in your favor chance of size change is minimal.
Cut it out on a piece of nice flat plywood, and clamp, have pilot hole
already drilled.
If you are having a problem getting proper size, I used a caliper to
measure from other side of guide drill to cutting tip. Go slow as you can
with cutter speed and keep the bit cutting, keep the cutter sharp, I used
stone and lard every half dozen cuts to keep razor sharp, this will limit
chatter.
A few other ideas, I installed a UMA light wedge to match the
electroluminescent on the rest of panel.
I also used countersunk hardware, gives a nice finish. I used either Torx
Safety, torx or allen stainless hardware purchased from www.mcmaster.com.
I fooled with sandblasting hardware heads and it looks nice, if i hate it,
could easily paint.
Another issue I had with my Instrument module is the polyester layup was
not very well bonded to the wood. When trying to cut out the wood for
insert clearance, the stuff easily delaminated. I found by installing
nutplates which use aluminium flush pop rivets, and adding flush rivets
between the nutplates it held things much more better in place!
Hope this helps.
Ron Parigoris
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