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1. 01:51 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Bob Hitchcock)
2. 02:19 AM - Unsubscibe. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
3. 03:39 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Gilles Thesee)
4. 04:21 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton)
5. 04:25 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (R.C.Harrison)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (Bob Hitchcock)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (Bob Hitchcock)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Gilles Thesee)
11. 10:54 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (R.C.Harrison)
12. 10:57 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (R.C.Harrison)
13. 10:01 PM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Thomas Scherer)
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
raft..............
Regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> RV7 ?
> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 and
> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
> Graham
>
> Garry wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early Europa
>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for
>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>> Garry Stout
>> 914 Trigear
>>
>>*
>>*
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
> RV7 ?
> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
> and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
> Graham
>
Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats.
Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ?
Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight,
9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa (140
kt cruise at 75%).
No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Garry
Cheapest is certainly an airline, however the sea is often crossed if
you live in Europe or if you want to visit the Bahamas or Florida?
Choice of airplane depends on the kind of flying you enjoy. I enjoy
skyscapes, mountain scenery, quiet flying and having the knowledge that
my airplane is optimised for its purpose. So, I my prefered choice would
be the XS MGlider. What is an RV7 optinised for apart from low cost and
a quick build? I never flew one but I did fly RV6 a time or 3 and found
it awfully noisy, needed a hand on the stick at all tiimes and drank an
awful lot of fuel for the same speed. I couldn't see out much either but
a fatter cushion might have cured that. Paul's 914 XS climbed to cruise
altitude much quicker but the RV caught up in the cruise after an hour.
(This was an O-320 RV)
I fear that fuel cost will hit us all pretty soon, your costs in US have
nearly doubled already haven't they? Could double again in the next few
years.
Graham
Garry wrote:
>
> If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is
> a concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice.
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Gilles
Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly
optimised for my style of flying.
Graham
Gilles Thesee wrote:
> Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats.
> Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ?
> Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight,
> 9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa
> (140 kt cruise at 75%).
>
> No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Hi! Bob
I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
floating!
There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they
recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite
way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed
forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of
information to have stored one day !
Regards
Bob Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Hitchcock
Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
<robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
raft..............
Regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> RV7 ?
> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
and
> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
> Graham
>
> Garry wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
Europa
>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for
>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>> Garry Stout
>> 914 Trigear
>>
>>*
>>*
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a
Rotax and a roll of glass cloth?
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>
>Hi! Bob
>I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
>floating!
>Bob Harrison
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa's floating in the sea |
The idea that a Europa can float is brilliant! For channel crossings I have
life jackets and McMurdo. Unfortunately the weight penalty of a life-raft is
rather great. (912 Europa trike)
Regards
Bob
GBWON
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
> Hi! Bob
> I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
> floating!
> There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they
> recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite
> way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed
> forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of
> information to have stored one day !
> Regards
> Bob Harrison
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Hitchcock
> Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
> <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
>
> It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
> raft..............
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
>
>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>>
>> RV7 ?
>> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
> and
>> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
>> Graham
>>
>> Garry wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
> Europa
>>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for
>
>>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>>> Garry Stout
>>> 914 Trigear
>>>
>>>*
>>>*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa's floating in the sea |
I feel more confident now as I just have life -jackets and McMurdo. But if I
interpret you correctly it may be best, in a desperate situation, to not
vacate the aircraft too quickly.
So feet wet only perhaps.................?
Regards
Bob
GBWON
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a
> Rotax and a roll of glass cloth?
>
> R.C.Harrison wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi! Bob I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
>>floating!
>>Bob Harrison
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
> Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly
> optimised for my style of flying.
Graham,
Unfortunately the MCR4S does not have motor glider wings. Too bad as
soaring with four aboard might prove a great sensation.
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Hi! Graham
I think the volume displacement of the xs with the voids in the wings
wouldn't be sufficient to float the whole a/c. If anything it may just
float but with the tail on the surface nose down. Now if a device such
as a crash air bag automatically and permanently inflated from a box
situated just in front of the fire wall .......?( Just filing for the
patent !)
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 07 January 2007 17:00
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a
Rotax and a roll of glass cloth?
R.C.Harrison wrote:
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Bob
>I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
>floating!
>Bob Harrison
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Europa's floating in the sea |
Bob I should add "if the wings are still on the aircraft !"
BobH
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Hitchcock
Sent: 07 January 2007 18:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea
<robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
The idea that a Europa can float is brilliant! For channel crossings I
have
life jackets and McMurdo. Unfortunately the weight penalty of a
life-raft is
rather great. (912 Europa trike)
Regards
Bob
GBWON
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Bob
> I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
> floating!
> There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they
> recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the
opposite
> way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed
> forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of
> information to have stored one day !
> Regards
> Bob Harrison
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Hitchcock
> Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
> <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
>
> It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
> raft..............
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
>
>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>>
>> RV7 ?
>> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
> and
>> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
>> Graham
>>
>> Garry wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
> Europa
>>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list
for
>
>>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>>> Garry Stout
>>> 914 Trigear
>>>
>>>*
>>>*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
The Europa will carry you across the Ocean in some 26 hrs of flighttime.
They have even put ome islands with fuel supplies in the Atlantic.
Canada ~ Greenland ~ Island ~ Birthplace of Europa would be the scenic route
and the Azores the warmer choice. With some luck on the winds a Europa would
also do it nonstop.
Happy New Year everyone, and please no full flaps on the base-leg.
<Thomas, N81EU>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa List" <n914va@bvunet.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
> At the age of 66, I would prefer to cross the Alantic in my lifetime. Are
> there any suggestions other than a sail boat.
>
> Vaughn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
>
>>
>> If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is a
>> concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice.
>>
>> Garry
>>
>>
>> Graham Singleton wrote........
>>>
>>> RV7 ?
>>> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
>>> and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it
>>> all?
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Garry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
>>>> Europa builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off
>>>> list for details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>>>> Garry Stout
>>>> 914 Trigear
>>>>
>>>>*
>>>>*
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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