---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/07/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:51 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Bob Hitchcock) 2. 02:19 AM - Unsubscibe. (BEBERRY@aol.com) 3. 03:39 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Gilles Thesee) 4. 04:21 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton) 5. 04:25 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton) 6. 08:47 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (R.C.Harrison) 7. 08:59 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Graham Singleton) 8. 10:11 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (Bob Hitchcock) 9. 10:16 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (Bob Hitchcock) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Gilles Thesee) 11. 10:54 AM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (R.C.Harrison) 12. 10:57 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (R.C.Harrison) 13. 10:01 PM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Thomas Scherer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:42 AM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life raft.............. Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > > RV7 ? > Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 and > would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all? > Graham > > Garry wrote: > >> Steve, >> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early Europa >> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for >> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though. >> Garry Stout >> 914 Trigear >> >>* >>* >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:50 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Unsubscibe. Unsubscibe unsubscribe unsubscibe unsubscribe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:24 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > RV7 ? > Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 > and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all? > Graham > Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats. Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ? Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight, 9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa (140 kt cruise at 75%). No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:58 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Garry Cheapest is certainly an airline, however the sea is often crossed if you live in Europe or if you want to visit the Bahamas or Florida? Choice of airplane depends on the kind of flying you enjoy. I enjoy skyscapes, mountain scenery, quiet flying and having the knowledge that my airplane is optimised for its purpose. So, I my prefered choice would be the XS MGlider. What is an RV7 optinised for apart from low cost and a quick build? I never flew one but I did fly RV6 a time or 3 and found it awfully noisy, needed a hand on the stick at all tiimes and drank an awful lot of fuel for the same speed. I couldn't see out much either but a fatter cushion might have cured that. Paul's 914 XS climbed to cruise altitude much quicker but the RV caught up in the cruise after an hour. (This was an O-320 RV) I fear that fuel cost will hit us all pretty soon, your costs in US have nearly doubled already haven't they? Could double again in the next few years. Graham Garry wrote: > > If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is > a concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:53 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Gilles Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly optimised for my style of flying. Graham Gilles Thesee wrote: > Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats. > Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ? > Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight, > 9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa > (140 kt cruise at 75%). > > No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer. > > Regards, > Gilles Thesee > Grenoble, France > http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:28 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Hi! Bob I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS floating! There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of information to have stored one day ! Regards Bob Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50 Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life raft.............. Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > > RV7 ? > Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 and > would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all? > Graham > > Garry wrote: > >> Steve, >> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early Europa >> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for >> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though. >> Garry Stout >> 914 Trigear >> >>* >>* >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:44 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a Rotax and a roll of glass cloth? R.C.Harrison wrote: > >Hi! Bob >I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS >floating! >Bob Harrison > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:21 AM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea The idea that a Europa can float is brilliant! For channel crossings I have life jackets and McMurdo. Unfortunately the weight penalty of a life-raft is rather great. (912 Europa trike) Regards Bob GBWON ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > Hi! Bob > I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS > floating! > There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they > recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite > way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed > forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of > information to have stored one day ! > Regards > Bob Harrison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Hitchcock > Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > > > It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life > raft.............. > > > Regards > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Singleton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > >> >> >> RV7 ? >> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 > and >> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all? >> Graham >> >> Garry wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early > Europa >>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for > >>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though. >>> Garry Stout >>> 914 Trigear >>> >>>* >>>* >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:05 AM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea I feel more confident now as I just have life -jackets and McMurdo. But if I interpret you correctly it may be best, in a desperate situation, to not vacate the aircraft too quickly. So feet wet only perhaps.................? Regards Bob GBWON ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > > Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a > Rotax and a roll of glass cloth? > > R.C.Harrison wrote: > >> >>Hi! Bob I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS >>floating! >>Bob Harrison >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:08 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly > optimised for my style of flying. Graham, Unfortunately the MCR4S does not have motor glider wings. Too bad as soaring with four aboard might prove a great sensation. Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:39 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Hi! Graham I think the volume displacement of the xs with the voids in the wings wouldn't be sufficient to float the whole a/c. If anything it may just float but with the tail on the surface nose down. Now if a device such as a crash air bag automatically and permanently inflated from a box situated just in front of the fire wall .......?( Just filing for the patent !) Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 07 January 2007 17:00 Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a Rotax and a roll of glass cloth? R.C.Harrison wrote: > >Hi! Bob >I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS >floating! >Bob Harrison > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:51 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea Bob I should add "if the wings are still on the aircraft !" BobH -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 07 January 2007 18:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea The idea that a Europa can float is brilliant! For channel crossings I have life jackets and McMurdo. Unfortunately the weight penalty of a life-raft is rather great. (912 Europa trike) Regards Bob GBWON ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.C.Harrison" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > Hi! Bob > I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS > floating! > There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they > recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite > way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed > forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of > information to have stored one day ! > Regards > Bob Harrison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Hitchcock > Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > > > It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life > raft.............. > > > Regards > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Singleton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > >> >> >> RV7 ? >> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 > and >> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all? >> Graham >> >> Garry wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early > Europa >>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for > >>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though. >>> Garry Stout >>> 914 Trigear >>> >>>* >>>* >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:52 PM PST US From: "Thomas Scherer" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale The Europa will carry you across the Ocean in some 26 hrs of flighttime. They have even put ome islands with fuel supplies in the Atlantic. Canada ~ Greenland ~ Island ~ Birthplace of Europa would be the scenic route and the Azores the warmer choice. With some luck on the winds a Europa would also do it nonstop. Happy New Year everyone, and please no full flaps on the base-leg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa List" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > At the age of 66, I would prefer to cross the Alantic in my lifetime. Are > there any suggestions other than a sail boat. > > Vaughn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > > >> >> If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is a >> concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice. >> >> Garry >> >> >> Graham Singleton wrote........ >>> >>> RV7 ? >>> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 >>> and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it >>> all? >>> Graham >>> >>> Garry wrote: >>> >>>> Steve, >>>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early >>>> Europa builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off >>>> list for details. I still have my Europa and still love it though. >>>> Garry Stout >>>> 914 Trigear >>>> >>>>* >>>>* >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.