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1. 03:49 AM - Europa flotation in the event of ditching (nigel charles)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: Europa's floating in the sea (David Joyce)
3. 05:29 AM - Europa Items for sale (flyingphil2)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Europa Items for sale ()
5. 07:52 AM - Airmaster Prop (AlStills)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Europa Items for sale (Alan Burrows)
7. 09:23 AM - Re: Airmaster Prop ()
8. 10:06 AM - Re: Airmaster Prop (AlStills)
9. 10:37 AM - Bigger, faster (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
10. 10:40 AM - Europa Mono Enclosed Trailer for Sale (Gillian and Charlie Laverty)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: Airmaster Prop (R.C.Harrison)
12. 11:53 AM - Re: Europa Items for sale (flyingphil2)
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| Subject: | Europa flotation in the event of ditching |
My Europa is a Classic so has adequate foam for flotation provided the
wings remain attached after a ditching. One option for XS owners is to
include polystyrene pellets (like that used in packaging) within the
unused voids in the wing. These weigh next to nothing and would provide
significant buoyancy.
A floating aircraft after a ditching is a useful survival aid. It helps
provide both protection and location which are the two most important
aids to survival. However even when floating the aircraft may or may not
provide significant protection depending on sea conditions and final
attitude of the aircraft.
Back in 1995 a colleague of mine nearly lost his life in the English
Channel when his liferaft didn't work after his aircraft sunk. He was
only in the water 35 minutes but it took 2 days in hospital to overcome
the hypothermia. It was estimated that he would have only lasted a about
a further 20 minutes and this was at one of the warmest times of year
for water temperature. Having done sea survival training I am firmly
convinced that dry suits are the best safety aid along with a PLB. Even
in hot summer conditions they are not uncomfortable to wear. Flying at
higher altitudes with vents open and the suit partially unzipped ensures
adequate comfort levels.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 07 January 2007 16:46
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Bob
I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
floating!
There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they
recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite
way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed
forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of
information to have stored one day !
Regards
Bob Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Hitchcock
Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
<robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
raft..............
Regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> RV7 ?
> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
and
> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
> Graham
>
> Garry wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
Europa
>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for
>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
>> Garry Stout
>> 914 Trigear
>>
>>*
>>*
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa's floating in the sea |
Bob, All the wing spaces are ventilated along with the rear fuselage so it
seems to me that it would only be a matter of time before those sections of
an XS filled. Having said that, the amount of foam in tail plane and control
bits, and fuselage skin + air in the tyre and fuel tank (if you had run low
on fuel) just might be enough to keep it up! Fuel tank buoyancy would be
roughly equal to engine weight, but I have no idea of what the overall
density of the non metallic bits of the structure would be. Perhaps some
inflatable air bladders in the front section of the wings would do the job.
Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hitchcock" <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa's floating in the sea
<robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
>
> The idea that a Europa can float is brilliant! For channel crossings I
have
> life jackets and McMurdo. Unfortunately the weight penalty of a life-raft
is
> rather great. (912 Europa trike)
>
> Regards
>
> Bob
>
> GBWON
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
>
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! Bob
> > I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS
> > floating!
> > There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they
> > recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite
> > way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed
> > forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of
> > information to have stored one day !
> > Regards
> > Bob Harrison
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Hitchcock
> > Sent: 07 January 2007 09:50
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> >
> > <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net>
> >
> > It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life
> > raft..............
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
> >
> >
> >> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> >>
> >> RV7 ?
> >> Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7
> > and
> >> would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?
> >> Graham
> >>
> >> Garry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve,
> >>> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early
> > Europa
> >>> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's. Contact me off list for
> >
> >>> details. I still have my Europa and still love it though.
> >>> Garry Stout
> >>> 914 Trigear
> >>>
> >>>*
> >>>*
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Items for sale |
Hi,
I have the following items for sale. The prices are based on what I have seen
on this list before but I will consider offers.
I've written the new price below each item.
Windscreen
Salvaged from wreck but removed from frame and completely undamaged. Polished
up with scratch remover to remove light scratches.
Very good condition. 100
(New price: 144+VAT)
2 x Door with Glass (Port & Starboard)
Salvaged from wreck but both undamaged and with glass attached. Side glass polished
up with scratch remover to remove light scratches.
Very good condition. 300 (total for both)
(New price for glass alone: 144+VAT)
2 x Door Gas Strut
Used but in very good condition.
30 (total for both)
(New price = 2 x 31 +VAT)
Vibrating Structure Gyroscope.
New and unused. See my ad in 'Items for Sale'. Open to offers on this one but
the new price is 642+VAT.
Thanks for looking. If you are interested then please send me a private message.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Items for sale |
> Hi,
> I have the following items for sale. The prices are based on what I have
> seen on this list before but I will consider offers.
> I've written the new price below each item.
>
> Windscreen
> Salvaged from wreck but remo.......
You may be interested in advertising on
http://harley.geog.ox.ac.uk/~mark/Europa/ads/
Cheers,
Mark.
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I'm getting ready to place my Airmaster Prop on my Jabiru engine as the
temps have settled down during brake in and need to know if anyone has any
information
about where the prop should be installed in relation to the engine TDC. The
airmaster manuel doesn't say and neither does Jabiru. I would think the #1
blade should
be st at #1 cylinder at TDC but am not sure. Anyone with experience would
help.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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| Subject: | Europa Items for sale |
What colour is the glass ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: 08 January 2007 13:28
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Items for sale
Hi,
I have the following items for sale. The prices are based on what I have
seen on this list before but I will consider offers.
I've written the new price below each item.
Windscreen
Salvaged from wreck but removed from frame and completely undamaged.
Polished up with scratch remover to remove light scratches.
Very good condition. 100
(New price: 144+VAT)
2 x Door with Glass (Port & Starboard)
Salvaged from wreck but both undamaged and with glass attached. Side glass
polished up with scratch remover to remove light scratches.
Very good condition. 300 (total for both)
(New price for glass alone: 144+VAT)
2 x Door Gas Strut
Used but in very good condition.
30 (total for both)
(New price = 2 x 31 +VAT)
Vibrating Structure Gyroscope.
New and unused. See my ad in 'Items for Sale'. Open to offers on this one
but the new price is 642+VAT.
Thanks for looking. If you are interested then please send me a private
message.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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18:29
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18:29
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster Prop |
Hi Al,
I saw this message. We have recently bought a Europa XS trigear with Jabiru
330 engine and Warp drive ground adjustable prop.
It has some fancy ducting to pass air over the cylinders
It has done only 60 hrs since new. On the ground, the rear 4 cylinders
rapidly climb to the max of 175 degrees C so unless you are at a very quiet
aerodrome and don't ever have to wait for departure, the engine overheats.
It seems that the main reason for this is that the front nacelles don't
really get any air from the prop because of the size of the spinner and
blade roots. As our prop uses the same blades as the Airmaster, I wonder if
you will get sufficient cooling.
What prop do you use at the moment?
Thanks
Brian
G-BYFG
----- Original Message -----
From: "AlStills" <astills@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster Prop
>
> I'm getting ready to place my Airmaster Prop on my Jabiru engine as the
> temps have settled down during brake in and need to know if anyone has any
> information
> about where the prop should be installed in relation to the engine TDC.
The
> airmaster manuel doesn't say and neither does Jabiru. I would think the #1
> blade should
> be st at #1 cylinder at TDC but am not sure. Anyone with experience would
> help.
>
> Al Stills
> N625AZ
>
>
> --
19:47
>
>
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Brian,
I have had the Arimaster installed during the summer here in the desert and
could not keep cool on the ground so I changed to the wood Jabiru prop for
brake in. 60x48. Keeps cool with that prop. The engine has settled in now
and am changing back to Airmaster. I should be able to keep cool on the
ground during winter temps. Yes the blade roots are way out on the Airmaster
(8" from center) but there are Jabiru's flying with them. Just have to limit
gound travel when
possible. The ram air ducts come with the Jabiru engine and have to be
tweeked to get the air right in them. I had to baffel the front of the
intake up onto
the front cylinders a small amount and put a dam (Approx 3/4") in the top of
one between #4 & 6 to get the air moving right. Also had to dam the very
back of the
duct up as too much air was then moving over the rear of the cylinders. They
are pretty much even in CHT's now and settling down very well. I have 19 hrs
on the
engine so far and CHT's are settling to approx 325 Deg's F in cruise. I 'm
at about a max of 295 during taxi and in the low 370's on climb out. I have
no doubt the
Airmaster will work, just have to baby it on the ground. It remains to be
seen what will happen during the hot summers here in Arizona
Just a note...in running my airmaster during the summer, after I tweeked the
baffeling, I was able to cool down while sitting at idle.
Hope this helps
Al Stills
N625AZ
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I have to agree that bigger and faster is nice, but on a 100 mile
hamburger trip, the time saving would be about 7 minutes each way, and
with the increased fuel consumption plus Avgas vs Mogas, the round trip
would cost about $30 more.
Not Knocking anyone's choice of airplane, I've only flown one RV, a 6 and
I thought it was a nice, solid flying plane, but noisy.
Looking at the new light RV12, the configuration is a bit Europa-ish.
Dave A061
do not archive
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| Subject: | Europa Mono Enclosed Trailer for Sale |
Hi all. As my mono wheel G-CLAV 912 is now a trigear, I have for sale a
Schofield enclosed mono trailer with load-unload system . The trailer is
currently located in North Yorkshire. The price is =A32400 ono . Please
e-mail to bb@baliscate.freeserve.co.uk or phone 01688 301264 . Charlie
Laverty
Charlie Laverty & Gillian King
Forest Bank,
19 Argyll Terrace,
Tobermory PA75 6PB
To
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Hi! Alan
Somewhere I posted a message from MT Propellers on this positioning
issue. If you do a search you should find it, presuming Yahoo to a
storage system.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlStills
Sent: 08 January 2007 15:51
Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster Prop
I'm getting ready to place my Airmaster Prop on my Jabiru engine as the
temps have settled down during brake in and need to know if anyone has
any
information
about where the prop should be installed in relation to the engine TDC.
The
airmaster manuel doesn't say and neither does Jabiru. I would think the
#1
blade should
be st at #1 cylinder at TDC but am not sure. Anyone with experience
would
help.
Al Stills
N625AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Items for sale |
Hi,
Both the windscreen and doors are brown tint.
Thanks.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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