---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/12/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Pip Pins (Graham Singleton) 2. 01:16 AM - Re: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted (nigel charles) 3. 05:16 AM - New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 4. 05:53 AM - Re: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (Simon Smith) 5. 06:30 AM - Rotax 912S documentation (Steve Pitt) 6. 07:49 AM - New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (Richard Holder) 7. 08:33 AM - Re Evans coolant (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 8. 09:00 AM - Mandatory mod no 72 (Geoff Leedham) 9. 10:28 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Simon Smith) 10. 10:56 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (m.clews) 11. 11:35 AM - Re: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (Tim Ward) 12. 12:00 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (R.C.Harrison) 13. 12:58 PM - Re: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 14. 01:05 PM - Re: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 15. 01:24 PM - Re: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ (Gilles Thesee) 16. 01:35 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Carl Pattinson) 17. 02:04 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Mike Parkin) 18. 02:05 PM - Re: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted (Graham Singleton) 19. 02:13 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Geoff Leedham) 20. 02:20 PM - Re: bouyancy (Jan de Jong) 21. 02:59 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Tim Ward) 22. 03:55 PM - Re: Pip Pins (danbish) 23. 03:59 PM - Re: Pip Pins (danbish) 24. 06:42 PM - Mod 72 (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:12 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Pip Pins Paul McAllister asked me to forward this question. Could anyone who can help reply direct to Paul please? < < > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:12 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted The simplest way to prevent bugs and debris is to fit a pitot type cover whilst the aircraft is parked. This is what many of us do. It will also stop water ingress and ice formation. The Europa was designed as a VFR aircraft so the vent is not designed to cope with icing whilst in flight. It is possible that whilst flying VFR in rain that there could be a small amount of water ingested but I have not heard of this being a problem. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 12 January 2007 07:26 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted I have fuel tank vent on my XS Monowheel plumbed to the top of the Cobra, a small space (siphon break) and the vent hose comes out. Was wondering if I could get input on: Attempt to cut down clogging (Bug, Ice formation, Debris) Thoughts on Reduxing in some stainless wool? (What are negatives) Thoughts on crushing vent tube into a oval, in hopes of preventing critter ingress and stream lining? What is favorite location, forward facing? Vertical(90 or 45 degree cut)? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu This just in: A mandatory AD for Stemme motorgliders with Rotax engines The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), which is the Technical Agent for the Member States of the European Community, has issued AD No.: 2006-0311-E, dated October 11, 2006 (referred to after this as "the MCAI''), to correct an unsafe condition for the specified products. The MCAI states that: During certification works it was found that the cooling liquid EVANS NPG+ is flammable. The liquid cooling circuit of the Stemme S10-VT is not designed to be filled with a flammable liquid without prior modifications. For that reason, this Emergency AD requires the replacement of the EVANS NPG+ cooling liquid. In addition, the operation limit of the cylinder head temperature must be temporary changed to 120[deg]C/248[deg]F. The full document is at http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/01C75B60A85029028625725E0056DED1?OpenDocument&Highlight=npg+ Ira N224xs ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:53 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ This is not new. We discussed this back in October when it first came out. Simon _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Sent: 12 January 2007 13:14 Subject: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ This just in: A mandatory AD for Stemme motorgliders with Rotax engines The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), which is the Technical Agent for the Member States of the European Community, has issued AD No.: 2006-0311-E, dated October 11, 2006 (referred to after this as "the MCAI''), to correct an unsafe condition for the specified products. The MCAI states that: During certification works it was found that the cooling liquid EVANS NPG+ is flammable. The liquid cooling circuit of the Stemme S10-VT is not designed to be filled with a flammable liquid without prior modifications. For that reason, this Emergency AD requires the replacement of the EVANS NPG+ cooling liquid. In addition, the operation limit of the cylinder head temperature must be temporary changed to 120[deg]C/248[deg]F. The full document is at http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/01C75B6 0A85029028625725E0056DED1?OpenDocument&Highlight=npg+ Ira N224xs ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:34 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912S documentation Fellow Europa-eans I have been using the appalling weather in the UK to catch up on some paperwork and have been checking that all Service Bulletins etc have been complied with/diarised. Can you help with the following: 1) SB-912-030 - with the Europa airbox supported off the engine mount this would seem to negate the need for this SB action. Do you agree? 2) SB-912-042 - whilst this is Mandatory the SB is open to interpretation in that it states (sect 1.5) Compliance - "In case of operating malfunction,....." How have people added this to their engine log book? 3) ASB-912-051 - this does not appear to have been issued for ULS engines as it does not appear on the documentation for my engine number. So does it apply to us? I have been checking on these Bulletins as they arise and yet each time I download the summaries it appears to give conflicting information. Does anyone else have this concern or experience. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:35 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ > A mandatory AD for Stemme motorgliders with Rotax > engines effectively banning Evans coolant as it is imflammable ! Simon Smith wrote: > This is not new. We discussed this back in October when > it first came out. I think we have a case of the right hand and the left hand not knowing about each other as Rotax have just issued (Nov) : SB-912-043 R2 Which allows Evans almost without limit and makes some onerous conditions for the use of 50-50 water/antifreeze. It is mandatory if using 50-50 to have a water temperature gauge as well as a CHT gauge. However it is only mandatory to have it done by Dec 2007. My thinking is that the two authorities will come to some conclusion one day and that conclusion could be anywhere from one extreme to the other. Nor am I sure that whether mandatory applies to an uncertified engine in a PFA aircraft even though the SB does mention the 912ULS engine. My 50-50 is watched very carefully and I have an undercooling problem rather than an overcooling one so I plan to wait until the end of the year before I even consider doing anything about it ! Richard G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:52 AM PST US From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: Re Evans coolant Sorry to bother you PFA folks. What is new is that the FAA just issued this as a mandatory AD for a Europa-related engine. Not binding on Europa owners at all, but of interest. Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:08 AM PST US From: "Geoff Leedham" Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:22 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Given that this has been made mandatory for UK aircraft by the PFA, has anyone had any notice of this from the PFA? Simon _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Leedham Sent: 12 January 2007 16:52 Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:51 AM PST US From: "m.clews" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:38 AM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ Richard, I agree with you. As long as we can monitor our CHT and Water temp (through the Skydrive Unit) then there is no problem with the 50/50 coolant. I have no problem with that as my CHT does not ever get above 95 C. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:46 AM Subject: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ > >> A mandatory AD for Stemme motorgliders with Rotax >> engines > > effectively banning Evans coolant as it is imflammable ! > > Simon Smith wrote: > >> This is not new. We discussed this back in October when >> it first came out. > > I think we have a case of the right hand and the left hand > not knowing about each other as Rotax have just issued (Nov) : > > SB-912-043 R2 > > Which allows Evans almost without limit and makes some > onerous conditions for the use of 50-50 water/antifreeze. > It is mandatory if using 50-50 to have a water temperature > gauge as well as a CHT gauge. However it is only mandatory > to have it done by Dec 2007. > > My thinking is that the two authorities will come to some > conclusion one day and that conclusion could be anywhere > from one extreme to the other. > > Nor am I sure that whether mandatory applies to an > uncertified engine in a PFA aircraft even though the SB > does mention the 912ULS engine. > > My 50-50 is watched very carefully and I have an > undercooling problem rather than an overcooling one so I > plan to wait until the end of the year before I even > consider doing anything about it ! > > Richard > G-OWWW High Cross > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:16 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Hi! Mike Removing and replacing your engine is straight forward ? I'd describe it as something different ! I guess if you say anything quickly it can be considered "straight forward"! But I put tubes in on my initial build probably not quite to the control standard specified now though . Perhaps our Mod Committee may like to pass comment? Bob Harrison G-PTAG (engine out awaiting replacement !) Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of m.clews Sent: 12 January 2007 18:55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:03 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted <<... I have not heard of this being a problem>> Inflight rainwater ingress was a problem for Jon Tye (I think it was) and resulted in the mod requiring a small rear-facing hole to be made in the back of the exposed part of the vent. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nigel charles" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted > > The simplest way to prevent bugs and debris is to fit a pitot type cover > whilst the aircraft is parked. This is what many of us do. It will also > stop water ingress and ice formation. The Europa was designed as a VFR > aircraft so the vent is not designed to cope with icing whilst in > flight. It is possible that whilst flying VFR in rain that there could > be a small amount of water ingested but I have not heard of this being a > problem. > > Nigel Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us > Sent: 12 January 2007 07:26 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted > > > I have fuel tank vent on my XS Monowheel plumbed to the top of the > Cobra, > a small space (siphon break) and the vent hose comes out. > > Was wondering if I could get input on: > > Attempt to cut down clogging (Bug, Ice formation, Debris) > Thoughts on Reduxing in some stainless wool? (What are > negatives) > Thoughts on crushing vent tube into a oval, in hopes of > preventing critter ingress and stream lining? > > What is favorite location, forward facing? Vertical(90 or 45 degree > cut)? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:43 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ <> I beg to differ. The latest SB cross refers to the procedure in the earlier SB that allows calibration of the CHT against water temp., so that (suitably calibrated and remarked as necessary) only CHT needs to be monitored. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holder" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ > >> A mandatory AD for Stemme motorgliders with Rotax >> engines > > effectively banning Evans coolant as it is imflammable ! > > Simon Smith wrote: > >> This is not new. We discussed this back in October when >> it first came out. > > I think we have a case of the right hand and the left hand > not knowing about each other as Rotax have just issued (Nov) : > > SB-912-043 R2 > > Which allows Evans almost without limit and makes some > onerous conditions for the use of 50-50 water/antifreeze. > It is mandatory if using 50-50 to have a water temperature > gauge as well as a CHT gauge. However it is only mandatory > to have it done by Dec 2007. > > My thinking is that the two authorities will come to some > conclusion one day and that conclusion could be anywhere > from one extreme to the other. > > Nor am I sure that whether mandatory applies to an > uncertified engine in a PFA aircraft even though the SB > does mention the 912ULS engine. > > My 50-50 is watched very carefully and I have an > undercooling problem rather than an overcooling one so I > plan to wait until the end of the year before I even > consider doing anything about it ! > > Richard > G-OWWW High Cross > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:15 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: New AD on Rotax with Evans NPG+ > The latest SB cross refers to the procedure in the earlier SB that > allows calibration of the CHT against water temp., so that (suitably > calibrated and remarked as necessary) only CHT needs to be monitored. Hi all, During the flight tests of our project I had arranged to measure coolant, oil, and charge air temps before and after their respective coolers. According to the SB, we are "allowed" up to about 127C head temperature.We just have to add a red mark on the CHT gauge face. The 914 CHT temps are easy to maintain well within the 80-120C green range whatever the flight conditions. Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:53 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:14 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 All Europas except those with the classic engine installation (radiators each side of the spinner) with the Rotax 912 or 912S engine and Warp Drive ground adjustable propeller or other propeller weighing less than 25lb (912S engine) or 28lb (912 engine) and no cracks found in the landing gear frame, or those with landing gear frames supplied by Europa after January 2007. Straight from the Mod leaflet. regards, MP ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/01/2007 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:43 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel vent opening ideas wanted The small rear facing hole was specified by Burt Rutan, to create a small flow of air through the vent allowing water that blew in to blow out again. This was in order to reduce the risk of the vent icing up. (Burt designed the EZs among many others and was the inspiration for the Europa.) Each of the four present at the barside chats in Yorkshire while the Europa was forming in Ivan's head built an EZ. We wanted an EZ that would operate from small grass fields. Graham Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote: > > > <<... I have not heard of this being a problem>> > > Inflight rainwater ingress was a problem for Jon Tye (I think it was) > and resulted in the mod requiring a small rear-facing hole to be made > in the back of the exposed part of the vent. > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:28 PM PST US From: "Geoff Leedham" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa. Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/01/2007 15:33 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:33 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: bouyancy I'm also intrigued because I'm finally getting close to putting the lids on my XS wings and now there may be just one more and very last thing to do. If and when I reach a positive decision that there is not that will be fine. I can do a little more filling and sanding of flaps and ailerons in the interim. In theory one could just close off the space forward of the XS wing spar. The only remaining task would then be to assure pressure equalisation for those times one wants to fly instead of float. I thought of: - Tubing from wing root to fuselage roof - Float valve at wing tip - Multiple, redundant, tubing to fuselage roof - Construct close-off as weakpoint (safety valve) Difficulty is knowing quality of any 1-off design. Safety lost could easily exceed safety gained? B.t.w., maintaining pressure equalisation will probably be an issue with foam filling as well, I'm thinking. Jan de Jong 461 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:34 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Hi All, I have the classic engine installation with the Rotax 912S. Interesting specs, as my Airmaster Prop weighs in at 26lbs!!! except I kept the glass spinner which weighs 1 lb less than the metal one! So that is within the specs as the cracks are not there!! Already checked it long ago when the fault was first observed . Will do it anyway, in time. My 1 lbs worth. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Parkin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 All Europas except those with the classic engine installation (radiators each side of the spinner) with the Rotax 912 or 912S engine and Warp Drive ground adjustable propeller or other propeller weighing less than 25lb (912S engine) or 28lb (912 engine) and no cracks found in the landing gear frame, or those with landing gear frames supplied by Europa after January 2007. Straight from the Mod leaflet. regards, MP ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 11/01/2007 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pip Pins From: "danbish" They're available from Carr Lane online. Just make sure you measure and order exactly. The part number I show on my invoice is: CLMF CL-4-BPDR-1.15 Use this link: http://www.carrlane.com/Catalog/index.cfm/27025071F0B221118070C1C512A0A1F0900101B030010543C1C0C16190D172D252A5E445D You may have to cut and paste that into your browser. They run $16.25 each. I went ahead and got extras as I tend to hide things from myself too. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pip Pins From: "danbish" On further inspection of the web site, the exact size isn't shown so you may have to special order them from Carr Lane. Also, look to see if they have a distrubutor in your area. They got my order wrong online so I took them back to the local guy who got it wrong two more times before finally coming up with the correct size. But at least you know the exact model number now. Good Luck! Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Any idea as to why this "mandatory" modification is not classified as a Service Bulletin. (In the US, it is SB which are rated as Airworthiness Directives) It was not on the web site last week when I completed my Annual Ira N224XS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.