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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Pete Lawless)
2. 01:13 AM - Epoxy (nigel charles)
3. 01:38 AM - Re: bouyancy (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 01:50 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Tim Ward)
5. 02:00 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 02:05 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
7. 06:22 AM - Mod 72 (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 06:46 AM - DOTH Sunday Swansea (Paddy Clarke)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (David Joyce)
10. 08:19 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Karl Heindl)
11. 08:29 AM - Mod 72 (MJKTuck@cs.com)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Graham Singleton)
13. 10:50 AM - Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
14. 11:11 AM - Re: Mod 72 (William Harrison)
15. 11:32 AM - Rotax Water Temperature. (Mike Parkin)
16. 11:56 AM - Re: Mod 72 (William Daniell)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Mod 72 (Paul McAllister)
18. 12:04 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Peter Zutrauen)
19. 12:35 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Peter Zutrauen)
20. 12:39 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Tim Ward)
21. 12:44 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Karl Heindl)
22. 01:11 PM - Anyone have a old 914 fuel pump? ()
23. 01:32 PM - Re: Mod 72 (Carl Pattinson)
24. 02:51 PM - Fw: Another threat to GA (Carl Pattinson)
25. 03:07 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Pete Lawless)
26. 03:17 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
27. 03:22 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
28. 03:27 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
29. 03:41 PM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
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Subject: | Mandatory mod no 72 |
Hi Tim
The way I read the mod the 28 lb limit applied to the 912 and the limit
for
the 912s was 24lbs.
I am just trying to find the weight of the NSI CAP140 - it is not
mentioned
in the manual or any of the paperwork that came with the prop. We may
end
up having to weigh it.
Regards
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 12 January 2007 22:58
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Hi All,
I have the classic engine installation with the Rotax 912S.
Interesting specs, as my Airmaster Prop weighs in at 26lbs!!! except I
kept
the glass spinner which weighs 1 lb less than the metal one!
So that is within the specs as the cracks are not there!! Already
checked it
long ago when the fault was first observed .
Will do it anyway, in time.
My 1 lbs worth.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin <mailto:mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
All Europas except those with the classic engine installation
(radiators each side of the spinner) with the Rotax 912 or 912S
engine and Warp Drive ground adjustable propeller or other
propeller weighing less than 25lb (912S engine) or 28lb (912
engine) and no cracks found in the landing gear frame, or those
with landing gear frames supplied by Europa after January 2007.
Straight from the Mod leaflet.
regards,
MP
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From: Carl Pattinson <mailto:carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent
we
been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or
trigears or
both???
We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about
60 or
so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
Now not so happy G-LABS.
----- Original Message -----
From: m.clews <mailto:m.clews@sky.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year!
Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it
Geoff,
Mike
G-OMIK
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From: Geoff Leedham <mailto:sideslip@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory
mod.
This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check
of
the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves
to
the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs
the
engine to be removed.
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If anyone who is going to the Europa dinner has some time expired epoxy
left from there build and would like to sell it on I am looking to buy
some for a non-aviation project.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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<<B.t.w., maintaining pressure equalisation will probably be an issue with
foam filling as well, I'm thinking.>>
It is, and the build manual requires these internal spaces to be vented.
There was a case a few years ago where a Lancair 'popped' its tailplane in a
climb to high altitude, because of inadequate venting.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: bouyancy
>
> I'm also intrigued because I'm finally getting close to putting the lids
> on my XS wings and now there may be just one more and very last thing to
> do.
> If and when I reach a positive decision that there is not that will be
> fine. I can do a little more filling and sanding of flaps and ailerons in
> the interim.
>
> In theory one could just close off the space forward of the XS wing spar.
> The only remaining task would then be to assure pressure equalisation for
> those times one wants to fly instead of float. I thought of:
> - Tubing from wing root to fuselage roof
> - Float valve at wing tip
> - Multiple, redundant, tubing to fuselage roof
> - Construct close-off as weakpoint (safety valve)
>
> Difficulty is knowing quality of any 1-off design.
> Safety lost could easily exceed safety gained?
>
> B.t.w., maintaining pressure equalisation will probably be an issue with
> foam filling as well, I'm thinking.
>
> Jan de Jong
> 461
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount
rubbers, swap top for bottom or replace.
The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of
the four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more
under load) take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser
contribution of the engine weight.
As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time,
progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms.
In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is
normal with time), this would be usefully reset.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Leedham
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and
Europa. Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no
cracks found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod
affects all europas except some classic installations with lightweight
props fitted. I suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft
website
http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why
havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos
or trigears or both???
We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft -
about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones
(no49!!!).
Now not so happy G-LABS.
----- Original Message -----
From: m.clews
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year!
Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to
it Geoff,
Mike
G-OMIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Leedham
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another
mandatory mod.
This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves
a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then
fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours.
This operation needs the engine to be removed.
Geoff Leedham G-EOFS
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
I've received no notice and will continue to consider the mod as non
mandatory until notified by the design authority, i.e. the PFA.
The PFA's website (TADS) also does not currently list this mod.
Duncan McF.
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From: Simon Smith
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Given that this has been made mandatory for UK aircraft by the PFA,
has anyone had any notice of this from the PFA?
Simon
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff
Leedham
Sent: 12 January 2007 16:52
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory
mod.
This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a
check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then
fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours.
This operation needs the engine to be removed.
Geoff Leedham G-EOFS
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Greetings all,
Reading through SB72 it says that engine installations OTR (other than
Rotax) should contact Europa directly for a solution to SB72.
Anyone know off hand who the new technical contact is at Europa? Their
website sill shows Andy's e-mail, but I seem to recall he's left the company for
greener pastures.
Regards
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying 75.7 hours and not particularly happy this morning......
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Subject: | DOTH Sunday Swansea |
Hi All,
There should be a brief respite from the wind and rain tomorrow
(Sunday ), so how about a tentative DOTH to Swansea - tentative
because my grass strip is barely flyable now, and we may well get
some more rain this evening.
Swansea is chosen as it has 2 good hard runways. As usual, 1200ish -
voucher in Flyer.
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Good thinking, but should we not as a matter of good practice be replacing
all rubber parts every 5 yrs? If so this would be a smart time to replace
the engine mounts. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount rubbers,
swap top for bottom or replace.
The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of the
four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more under load)
take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser contribution of the
engine weight.
As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time,
progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms.
In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is normal
with time), this would be usefully reset.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Leedham
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa.
Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks
found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all
europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I
suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website
http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent
we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears
or both???
We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about
60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
Now not so happy G-LABS.
----- Original Message -----
From: m.clews
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year!
Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it
Geoff,
Mike
G-OMIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Leedham
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another
mandatory mod.
This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a
check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting
sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation
needs the engine to be removed.
Geoff Leedham G-EOFS
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Carl Pattinson wrote:
>If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we
>been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears
>or both???
>
>We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60
>or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
>
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My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers knew
what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals about
one failure after another of major components.
What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with
flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned. I
always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess the
nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust.
Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure occurred ?
Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ?
Karl
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Hi Folks,
I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure that seems
to have occurred after all these years and thousands of fleet hours. Number of
hours, number of landings, heavy landing history, operation from grass, etc.
Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no doubt
carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in the UK even though
it
seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to what may be a unique incident.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Hi All
When the Europa was designed it was done by people like us, with a lot
of enthusiasm, quite a bit of experience ( think Don Dykins!) but it was
still a very steep learning curve. The early builders were sometimes
ahead of the company, at least one of them wrote parts of the manual.
Just remember very few airplanes can do what a Europa does well and
there aren't as many ADs as there are on a Boeing.
Some of these ADs, possibly Mod 72, I don't know yet, are written to
save the butts of the PFA first, Europa second, but the main reason is
to line the butts of the lawyers with even more fat at our expense. So
imho, blame the US legal system which will eventually kill most
everything it touches. Our UK lawyers are a few miles behind but
catching up.
Here in Europe nobody in a position of responsibility won't make a
decision in case someone sues them.
We might be watching the end of western civilization. Race against time,
will the planet kick us off before we wreck it?
Apologies for being cinical but that is the effect govmint has on me.
Graham
Karl Heindl wrote:
>
>> We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft -
>> about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones
>> (no49!!!).
>
> What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa
> with flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously
> underdesigned. I always thought that the engine frame looked kind of
> flimsy, and I guess the nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust.
>
> Karl
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Subject: | Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? |
E Brethren:
I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this
failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue
must have occurred long before this!
We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website,
Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid
communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet.
Besides... It's just good customer relations.
When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that
contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues
just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other
information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure.
We
were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory
repair bulletins if they indeed required one.
As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa
XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of
frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied
with that???
I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were
mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my
own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that
option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary
for that option to be exercised.
Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we
know but don't?
Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you.
Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop....
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Yes, I completely agree with Martin's sentiment. Aircraft should not
designed like tractors and are therefore always susceptible to
abusive treatment. There comes a point where you have to point a
finger at the pilot for breaking his aircraft, not at the aircraft
for not being bombproof.
Safe Flying
Willie Harrison G-BZNY
On 13 Jan 2007, at 16:28, MJKTuck@cs.com wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure
> that seems to have occurred after all these years and thousands of
> fleet hours. Number of hours, number of landings, heavy landing
> history, operation from grass, etc.
>
> Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no
> doubt carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in
> the UK even though it seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to
> what may be a unique incident.
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
> Europa N152MT
> Wichita, Kansas
>
>
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Subject: | Rotax Water Temperature. |
Has anyone come across a modification scheme to introduce a water
temperature sensor into the 914 engine installation.
regards,
Mike
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By the way how does the internal sleeve (that's a contradiction I know) stay
there. Does it get reduxed in?
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 14:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72
Yes, I completely agree with Martin's sentiment. Aircraft should not
designed like tractors and are therefore always susceptible to abusive
treatment. There comes a point where you have to point a finger at the pilot
for breaking his aircraft, not at the aircraft for not being bombproof.
Safe Flying
Willie Harrison G-BZNY
On 13 Jan 2007, at 16:28, MJKTuck@cs.com wrote:
Hi Folks,
I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure that seems
to have occurred after all these years and thousands of fleet hours. Number
of hours, number of landings, heavy landing history, operation from grass,
etc.
Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no doubt
carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in the UK even
though it seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to what may be a unique
incident.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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Folks,
I am with Martin on this one. My Piper Comanche had bunches of AD's and a
few of the were recurring every 150 hours. Maintaining my Europa is a snap
compared to that thing.
Paul
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Subject: | Mandatory mod no 72 |
I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred
about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email
below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with
an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached.
I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and
am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!).
Cheers & blue skies,
Peter Zutrauen
Europa Builder A239 dual-wing
http://europa.zutrasoft.com
Ph: 613-831-0348
Cell: 613-850-5551
-----Original EUROPA-LIST Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SPurpura@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset
and
hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame
had cracked
& separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack
occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb
balancing
several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over
disconnected )
that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone
would
like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU
----- FOLLOW UP Message-----
From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld.
I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the
separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end
of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Carl Pattinson wrote:
>If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent
we
>been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or
trigears
>or both???
>
>We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about
60
>or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------
My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers
knew
what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals
about
one failure after another of major components.
What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with
flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned.
I
always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess
the
nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust.
Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure
occurred ?
Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ?
Karl
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Subject: | Mandatory mod no 72 |
>From the club DB:
N77EU
A077
Sam Purpura
2250 hr build time
Rotax 914
Whirlwind CS
Monowheel
877 lbs
2002-04-22 first flight
300 Hrs as of 2004-08-13
Cheers,
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Zutrauen
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred
about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email
below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with
an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached.
I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and
am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!).
Cheers & blue skies,
Peter Zutrauen
Europa Builder A239 dual-wing
http://europa.zutrasoft.com
Ph: 613-831-0348
Cell: 613-850-5551
-----Original EUROPA-LIST Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SPurpura@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset
and
hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame
had cracked
& separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack
occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb
balancing
several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over
disconnected )
that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone
would
like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU
----- FOLLOW UP Message-----
From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld.
I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the
separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end
of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side.
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Subject: | Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? |
Brian,
I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the
prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the
extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress
on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original
inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for
room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the
footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA
mod!
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04?
E Brethren:
I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on
this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA,
this issue must have occurred long before this!
We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club
website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website...
Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the
safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations.
When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins"
that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet
repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of
service and other information that the mechanic felt may have
contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in
advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed
required one.
As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a
Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no
indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I
simply be satisfied with that???
I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the
land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist,
I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I
happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT
Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised.
Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else
should we know but don't?
Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from
you.
Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the
shop....
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Ron and Peter,
This looks like another incident, caused by excessive vibration, as the mod
seems to exclude 914 installations. I wonder why the propeller weight is so
important. My original standard Warp Drive weighed a lot less than 25
pounds, and even my new cs Woodcomp weighs less than 25 pounds.
Vibration is always a potential problem; I experienced it a few times when
cold starting with the old starter motor., and the frame and bolts should be
strong enough to take that kind of punishment.
I am sure E04 will give us an update next week.
Karl do not archive
>
>
> Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006
> 9:37 pm Post subject:
> L.G. FRAME CRACK
>
>
> During preflight today I
> noticed that the spinner was a little offset and
>hanging a
> bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g.
>frame
> had cracked
>& separated
> just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the
>crack
>
>occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected
> during carb balancing
>several months ago and the 914 ran
> so rough (with the cross-over disconnected )
>that it was
> shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone
>would
>like to
> see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU
>
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> Flying!
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>
> Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006
> 11:05 pm Post
> subject: Re: L.G. FRAME CRACK
>
>
> Wow ! You guys keep hitting
> my fear buttons lately ....
>
>clogged fuel filters and
> broken engine mounts. Whenever I
> was about to fall
>asleep during my ocean crossings in
> N81EU the visualisation of a cracked
>welding in the mount and both fuel filters closed
> shut kept a poor soul
>awake. For the fuel filters I had
> prepared though ... 2 more new filters and
>several screens
> for in-cockpit replacement.
>
>1 Filter has actually
> clogged up once, but the second took over.
>
>Worst was
> the failure of the entire fuel lines provided with the
>kit.
> They
>were simply leaking with the rubber part dissolving
> during a flight.
>Fortunately it was over land and ALL fuel
> lines were replcaed within 2 hrs
>and have kept up since.
>
>
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> my wife's
>eMail adress ?
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Subject: | Anyone have a old 914 fuel pump? |
Anyone have an old 914 fuel pump?
I want to disect and study 1 way valve and vane pump.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
44 Carriage Drive
Kings Park, New York 11754 USA
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For once im glad we have an OLD aircraft with the simple ground
adjustable prop.
I suspect prop balance comes into the equation as well. We decided to
get the prop checked for balance last year (first time ever). Spent 2
hrs adding and removing washers but ended exactly with the same setup we
started off with (ie: no extra washers). So I guess the prop has been in
balance all this time.
Were carrying out the annual/100hr engine service tomorrow so will check
and see if theres anything to worry about.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ward
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is
E04?
Brian,
I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the
prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the
extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress
on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original
inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for
room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the
footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA
mod!
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04?
E Brethren:
I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on
this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA,
this issue must have occurred long before this!
We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club
website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website...
Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the
safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations.
When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins"
that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet
repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of
service and other information that the mechanic felt may have
contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in
advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed
required one.
As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a
Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no
indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I
simply be satisfied with that???
I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the
land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist,
I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I
happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT
Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised.
Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else
should we know but don't?
Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from
you.
Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the
shop....
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Fw: Another threat to GA |
I am passing this message on because it concerns all of us who fly privately
in the United Kingdom.
If you havent signed the petition yet you should - as it says in the message
it takes less than two minutes to register your protest.
And dont just stop at that - get your wife/ girlfriend, dog or anyone has
flown in your plane to sign up.
There are about 6,000 names so far but there is very little time left to
make your name count.
I dont know what good it will do but if we do nothing and suffer as a
consequence then we only have ourselves to blame.
If this issue has already been aired in this forum I make no apoloies for
bringing it up again. A quick check down the list shows there are a few
notable omissions - you know who you are - dont delay - do it!
----- Original Message ----
From: "Windrushers" <admin@windrushers.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Another threat to GA
> Dear Windrushers Member,
>
> The message below is from Nick Wilcock, CFI Brize Norton Flying Club.
> Needless to say this affects everyone who uses our site at Bicester so
> your
> support will be welcome.
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> This will take only a minute of your time.....
>
> Some of you may recall that earlier this year there was alarm amongst
> aviators, over the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister's proposals to
> classify airfields as brownfield sites for the purposes of planning
> approval. If carried through, this would mean that any scheme to develop a
> GA airfield for housing or industrial purposes could be passed with very
> little regard to its amenity value. As a result of the earlier outcry by
> the
> GA community, the inclusion of airfields in the list was said to be a
> mistake, and it was promised that the clause would be withdrawn in the
> final
> version. You've guessed it, the final version has been released and its
> still there.
>
> The reaction to the previous move was clearly effective, but everyone with
> an interest in aviation needs to act now. You can make your voice heard by
> electronically signing the following petition:
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Airfields/
>
> It's easy to do and will take no more than 2 minutes of your time. If you
> haven't already, do it now and help to save UK airfields from this threat
> and from John Prescott!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick
>
>
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Subject: | Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? |
Tim you forgot to mention the all up weight increase as well!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 13 January 2007 20:40
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04?
Brian,
I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the
prop.
specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the
extended
frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress on the
original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original inner
frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for room.
Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the footwell
length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA mod!
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04?
E Brethren:
I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on
this
failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this
issue must have occurred long before this!
We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club
website,
Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly
rapid
communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the
fleet.
Besides... It's just good customer relations.
When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins"
that
contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair
issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service
and
other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the
parts
failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA
issuing
any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one.
As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a
Europa
XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no
indications
of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be
satisfied
with that???
I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land
were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am
up
to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to
enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is
most necessary for that option to be exercised.
Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should
we
know but don't?
Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from
you.
Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the
shop....
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
Which underlines a point that the description given in the E04 text for Mod
72 is off the mark. It tries to be clear about the effected area but, if
this is it, fails.
Would make inspection easier though!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred
about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email
below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with
an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached.
I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and
am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!).
Cheers & blue skies,
Peter Zutrauen
Europa Builder A239 dual-wing
http://europa.zutrasoft.com
Ph: 613-831-0348
Cell: 613-850-5551
-----Original EUROPA-LIST Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SPurpura@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset
and
hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame
had cracked
& separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack
occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb
balancing
several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over
disconnected )
that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone
would
like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU
----- FOLLOW UP Message-----
From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK
The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld.
I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the
separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end
of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
Carl Pattinson wrote:
>If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent
we
>been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or
trigears
>or both???
>
>We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about
60
>or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------
My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers
knew
what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals
about
one failure after another of major components.
What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with
flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned.
I
always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess
the
nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust.
Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure
occurred ?
Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ?
Karl
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Subject: | Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? |
<<Europa never beefed up the original inner frame to cater for the XS
engine >>
Even though the PFA insisted on a similar mod (actually beefier) for
heavier engines (i.e. the Subaru and BMW, the latter because of having 2
cylinders rather than 4).
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ward
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is
E04?
Brian,
I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the
prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the
extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress
on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original
inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for
room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the
footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA
mod!
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04?
E Brethren:
I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on
this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA,
this issue must have occurred long before this!
We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club
website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website...
Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the
safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations.
When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins"
that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet
repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of
service and other information that the mechanic felt may have
contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in
advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed
required one.
As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a
Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no
indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I
simply be satisfied with that???
I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the
land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist,
I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I
happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT
Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised.
Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else
should we know but don't?
Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from
you.
Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the
shop....
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
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Subject: | Re: Mandatory mod no 72 |
That's what Rotax recommend on the engine and is recommended generally for
things like fuel lines, but other rubber components (eg engine mounts which
have a fail safe mode) could be changed merely on condition.
I'm not changing my tyres every 5 years in the absence of any defects
otherwise!
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Good thinking, but should we not as a matter of good practice be replacing
> all rubber parts every 5 yrs? If so this would be a smart time to replace
> the engine mounts. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
>
>
> Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount rubbers,
> swap top for bottom or replace.
> The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of
> the
> four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more under
> load)
> take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser contribution of the
> engine weight.
>
> As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time,
> progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms.
>
> In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is
> normal
> with time), this would be usefully reset.
>
> Duncan Mcf.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Leedham
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
>
>
> I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa.
> Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks
> found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all
> europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I
> suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website
> http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Pattinson
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
>
>
> If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent
> we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or
> trigears
> or both???
>
> We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about
> 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!).
>
> Now not so happy G-LABS.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: m.clews
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
>
>
> You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year!
> Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it
> Geoff,
> Mike
> G-OMIK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Leedham
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72
>
>
> Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another
> mandatory mod.
> This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a
> check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting
> sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This
> operation
> needs the engine to be removed.
>
> Geoff Leedham G-EOFS
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 11/01/2007 15:33
>
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Subject: | Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale |
Nigel,
I fully agree that the Europa may, or may not, float!!
Guessing aside, it could be worked out. I've lost my profile tracings that I
took of the wing sections, so can't even attempt a calculation.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale
>
>>I guess the Classic would float until such time as the hollowed out
> foam
> cores had flooded.<
>
> I still think there would be enough buoyancy in the solid foam parts to
> keep the aircraft afloat after the voids have flooded. Remember the
> inboard sections are solid foam anyway.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
>
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