---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/13/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Pete Lawless) 2. 01:13 AM - Epoxy (nigel charles) 3. 01:38 AM - Re: bouyancy (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 4. 01:50 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Tim Ward) 5. 02:00 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 6. 02:05 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 7. 06:22 AM - Mod 72 (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 8. 06:46 AM - DOTH Sunday Swansea (Paddy Clarke) 9. 07:47 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (David Joyce) 10. 08:19 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Karl Heindl) 11. 08:29 AM - Mod 72 (MJKTuck@cs.com) 12. 09:39 AM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Graham Singleton) 13. 10:50 AM - Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 14. 11:11 AM - Re: Mod 72 (William Harrison) 15. 11:32 AM - Rotax Water Temperature. (Mike Parkin) 16. 11:56 AM - Re: Mod 72 (William Daniell) 17. 11:58 AM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Mod 72 (Paul McAllister) 18. 12:04 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Peter Zutrauen) 19. 12:35 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Peter Zutrauen) 20. 12:39 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Tim Ward) 21. 12:44 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Karl Heindl) 22. 01:11 PM - Anyone have a old 914 fuel pump? () 23. 01:32 PM - Re: Mod 72 (Carl Pattinson) 24. 02:51 PM - Fw: Another threat to GA (Carl Pattinson) 25. 03:07 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Pete Lawless) 26. 03:17 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 27. 03:22 PM - Re: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 28. 03:27 PM - Re: Mandatory mod no 72 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 29. 03:41 PM - Re: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:16 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Hi Tim The way I read the mod the 28 lb limit applied to the 912 and the limit for the 912s was 24lbs. I am just trying to find the weight of the NSI CAP140 - it is not mentioned in the manual or any of the paperwork that came with the prop. We may end up having to weigh it. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: 12 January 2007 22:58 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Hi All, I have the classic engine installation with the Rotax 912S. Interesting specs, as my Airmaster Prop weighs in at 26lbs!!! except I kept the glass spinner which weighs 1 lb less than the metal one! So that is within the specs as the cracks are not there!! Already checked it long ago when the fault was first observed . Will do it anyway, in time. My 1 lbs worth. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Parkin Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 All Europas except those with the classic engine installation (radiators each side of the spinner) with the Rotax 912 or 912S engine and Warp Drive ground adjustable propeller or other propeller weighing less than 25lb (912S engine) or 28lb (912 engine) and no cracks found in the landing gear frame, or those with landing gear frames supplied by Europa after January 2007. Straight from the Mod leaflet. regards, MP ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. 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Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:14 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: bouyancy <> It is, and the build manual requires these internal spaces to be vented. There was a case a few years ago where a Lancair 'popped' its tailplane in a climb to high altitude, because of inadequate venting. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan de Jong" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: bouyancy > > I'm also intrigued because I'm finally getting close to putting the lids > on my XS wings and now there may be just one more and very last thing to > do. > If and when I reach a positive decision that there is not that will be > fine. I can do a little more filling and sanding of flaps and ailerons in > the interim. > > In theory one could just close off the space forward of the XS wing spar. > The only remaining task would then be to assure pressure equalisation for > those times one wants to fly instead of float. I thought of: > - Tubing from wing root to fuselage roof > - Float valve at wing tip > - Multiple, redundant, tubing to fuselage roof > - Construct close-off as weakpoint (safety valve) > > Difficulty is knowing quality of any 1-off design. > Safety lost could easily exceed safety gained? > > B.t.w., maintaining pressure equalisation will probably be an issue with > foam filling as well, I'm thinking. > > Jan de Jong > 461 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:58 AM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:48 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount rubbers, swap top for bottom or replace. The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of the four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more under load) take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser contribution of the engine weight. As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time, progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms. In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is normal with time), this would be usefully reset. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa. Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 11/01/2007 15:33 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:30 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I've received no notice and will continue to consider the mod as non mandatory until notified by the design authority, i.e. the PFA. The PFA's website (TADS) also does not currently list this mod. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Smith To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Given that this has been made mandatory for UK aircraft by the PFA, has anyone had any notice of this from the PFA? Simon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Leedham Sent: 12 January 2007 16:52 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:09 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Greetings all, Reading through SB72 it says that engine installations OTR (other than Rotax) should contact Europa directly for a solution to SB72. Anyone know off hand who the new technical contact is at Europa? Their website sill shows Andy's e-mail, but I seem to recall he's left the company for greener pastures. Regards John Lawton Dunlap, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying 75.7 hours and not particularly happy this morning...... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:28 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Sunday Swansea Hi All, There should be a brief respite from the wind and rain tomorrow (Sunday ), so how about a tentative DOTH to Swansea - tentative because my grass strip is barely flyable now, and we may well get some more rain this evening. Swansea is chosen as it has 2 good hard runways. As usual, 1200ish - voucher in Flyer. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:19 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Good thinking, but should we not as a matter of good practice be replacing all rubber parts every 5 yrs? If so this would be a smart time to replace the engine mounts. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount rubbers, swap top for bottom or replace. The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of the four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more under load) take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser contribution of the engine weight. As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time, progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms. In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is normal with time), this would be usefully reset. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa. Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears or both??? We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). Now not so happy G-LABS. ----- Original Message ----- From: m.clews To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it Geoff, Mike G-OMIK ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Leedham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another mandatory mod. This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This operation needs the engine to be removed. Geoff Leedham G-EOFS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11/01/2007 15:33 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:53 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Carl Pattinson wrote: >If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we >been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears >or both??? > >We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 >or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers knew what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals about one failure after another of major components. What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned. I always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess the nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust. Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure occurred ? Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ? Karl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:46 AM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Hi Folks, I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure that seems to have occurred after all these years and thousands of fleet hours. Number of hours, number of landings, heavy landing history, operation from grass, etc. Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no doubt carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in the UK even though it seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to what may be a unique incident. Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:58 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Hi All When the Europa was designed it was done by people like us, with a lot of enthusiasm, quite a bit of experience ( think Don Dykins!) but it was still a very steep learning curve. The early builders were sometimes ahead of the company, at least one of them wrote parts of the manual. Just remember very few airplanes can do what a Europa does well and there aren't as many ADs as there are on a Boeing. Some of these ADs, possibly Mod 72, I don't know yet, are written to save the butts of the PFA first, Europa second, but the main reason is to line the butts of the lawyers with even more fat at our expense. So imho, blame the US legal system which will eventually kill most everything it touches. Our UK lawyers are a few miles behind but catching up. Here in Europe nobody in a position of responsibility won't make a decision in case someone sues them. We might be watching the end of western civilization. Race against time, will the planet kick us off before we wreck it? Apologies for being cinical but that is the effect govmint has on me. Graham Karl Heindl wrote: > >> We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - >> about 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones >> (no49!!!). > > What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa > with flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously > underdesigned. I always thought that the engine frame looked kind of > flimsy, and I guess the nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust. > > Karl ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:55 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? E Brethren: I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue must have occurred long before this! We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations. When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one. As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied with that??? I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised. Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we know but don't? Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you. Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop.... Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:03 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Yes, I completely agree with Martin's sentiment. Aircraft should not designed like tractors and are therefore always susceptible to abusive treatment. There comes a point where you have to point a finger at the pilot for breaking his aircraft, not at the aircraft for not being bombproof. Safe Flying Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 13 Jan 2007, at 16:28, MJKTuck@cs.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure > that seems to have occurred after all these years and thousands of > fleet hours. Number of hours, number of landings, heavy landing > history, operation from grass, etc. > > Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no > doubt carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in > the UK even though it seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to > what may be a unique incident. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > Europa N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:58 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Water Temperature. Has anyone come across a modification scheme to introduce a water temperature sensor into the 914 engine installation. regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:08 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 By the way how does the internal sleeve (that's a contradiction I know) stay there. Does it get reduxed in? _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 14:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Yes, I completely agree with Martin's sentiment. Aircraft should not designed like tractors and are therefore always susceptible to abusive treatment. There comes a point where you have to point a finger at the pilot for breaking his aircraft, not at the aircraft for not being bombproof. Safe Flying Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 13 Jan 2007, at 16:28, MJKTuck@cs.com wrote: Hi Folks, I would be interested into any facts regarding the single failure that seems to have occurred after all these years and thousands of fleet hours. Number of hours, number of landings, heavy landing history, operation from grass, etc. Like the tailplane drive pin mod (caused by one failure) I will no doubt carry out this mod as it is factory recommended/mandatory in the UK even though it seems at first to be a knee-jerk reaction to what may be a unique incident. Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:15 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: Mod 72 Folks, I am with Martin on this one. My Piper Comanche had bunches of AD's and a few of the were recurring every 150 hours. Maintaining my Europa is a snap compared to that thing. Paul ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 From: "Peter Zutrauen" I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached. I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!). Cheers & blue skies, Peter Zutrauen Europa Builder A239 dual-wing http://europa.zutrasoft.com Ph: 613-831-0348 Cell: 613-850-5551 -----Original EUROPA-LIST Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SPurpura@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset and hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame had cracked & separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb balancing several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over disconnected ) that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone would like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU ----- FOLLOW UP Message----- From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld. I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Carl Pattinson wrote: >If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we >been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears >or both??? > >We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 >or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------- My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers knew what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals about one failure after another of major components. What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned. I always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess the nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust. Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure occurred ? Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ? Karl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 From: "Peter Zutrauen" >From the club DB: N77EU A077 Sam Purpura 2250 hr build time Rotax 914 Whirlwind CS Monowheel 877 lbs 2002-04-22 first flight 300 Hrs as of 2004-08-13 Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached. I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!). Cheers & blue skies, Peter Zutrauen Europa Builder A239 dual-wing http://europa.zutrasoft.com Ph: 613-831-0348 Cell: 613-850-5551 -----Original EUROPA-LIST Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SPurpura@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset and hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame had cracked & separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb balancing several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over disconnected ) that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone would like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU ----- FOLLOW UP Message----- From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld. I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:55 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? Brian, I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA mod! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? E Brethren: I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue must have occurred long before this! We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations. When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one. As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied with that??? I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised. Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we know but don't? Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you. Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop.... Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:20 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Ron and Peter, This looks like another incident, caused by excessive vibration, as the mod seems to exclude 914 installations. I wonder why the propeller weight is so important. My original standard Warp Drive weighed a lot less than 25 pounds, and even my new cs Woodcomp weighs less than 25 pounds. Vibration is always a potential problem; I experienced it a few times when cold starting with the old starter motor., and the frame and bolts should be strong enough to take that kind of punishment. I am sure E04 will give us an update next week. Karl do not archive > > > Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 > 9:37 pm Post subject: > L.G. FRAME CRACK > > > During preflight today I > noticed that the spinner was a little offset and >hanging a > bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. >frame > had cracked >& separated > just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the >crack > >occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected > during carb balancing >several months ago and the 914 ran > so rough (with the cross-over disconnected ) >that it was > shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone >would >like to > see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU > > Back > to top > > > Europa81 >Forum and Gallery User > > >Joined: 05 Dec 2005 >Posts: 19 >Location: Los > Angeles, CA, USA Kit: 81 >Type: - >Status: > Flying! > > > Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 > 11:05 pm Post > subject: Re: L.G. FRAME CRACK > > > Wow ! You guys keep hitting > my fear buttons lately .... > >clogged fuel filters and > broken engine mounts. Whenever I > was about to fall >asleep during my ocean crossings in > N81EU the visualisation of a cracked >welding in the mount and both fuel filters closed > shut kept a poor soul >awake. For the fuel filters I had > prepared though ... 2 more new filters and >several screens > for in-cockpit replacement. > >1 Filter has actually > clogged up once, but the second took over. > >Worst was > the failure of the entire fuel lines provided with the >kit. > They >were simply leaking with the rubber part dissolving > during a flight. >Fortunately it was over land and ALL fuel > lines were replcaed within 2 hrs >and have kept up since. > > >W H A T E L S E C A N G O W R O N G ? ? 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From: Anyone have an old 914 fuel pump? I want to disect and study 1 way valve and vane pump. Thx. Ron Parigoris 44 Carriage Drive Kings Park, New York 11754 USA ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:31 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 For once im glad we have an OLD aircraft with the simple ground adjustable prop. I suspect prop balance comes into the equation as well. We decided to get the prop checked for balance last year (first time ever). Spent 2 hrs adding and removing washers but ended exactly with the same setup we started off with (ie: no extra washers). So I guess the prop has been in balance all this time. Were carrying out the annual/100hr engine service tomorrow so will check and see if theres anything to worry about. Carl Pattinson G-LABS ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Ward To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? Brian, I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA mod! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? E Brethren: I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue must have occurred long before this! We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations. When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one. As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied with that??? I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised. Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we know but don't? Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you. Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop.... Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:43 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Another threat to GA I am passing this message on because it concerns all of us who fly privately in the United Kingdom. If you havent signed the petition yet you should - as it says in the message it takes less than two minutes to register your protest. And dont just stop at that - get your wife/ girlfriend, dog or anyone has flown in your plane to sign up. There are about 6,000 names so far but there is very little time left to make your name count. I dont know what good it will do but if we do nothing and suffer as a consequence then we only have ourselves to blame. If this issue has already been aired in this forum I make no apoloies for bringing it up again. A quick check down the list shows there are a few notable omissions - you know who you are - dont delay - do it! ----- Original Message ---- From: "Windrushers" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Another threat to GA > Dear Windrushers Member, > > The message below is from Nick Wilcock, CFI Brize Norton Flying Club. > Needless to say this affects everyone who uses our site at Bicester so > your > support will be welcome. > > Dear Colleagues, > > This will take only a minute of your time..... > > Some of you may recall that earlier this year there was alarm amongst > aviators, over the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister's proposals to > classify airfields as brownfield sites for the purposes of planning > approval. If carried through, this would mean that any scheme to develop a > GA airfield for housing or industrial purposes could be passed with very > little regard to its amenity value. As a result of the earlier outcry by > the > GA community, the inclusion of airfields in the list was said to be a > mistake, and it was promised that the clause would be withdrawn in the > final > version. You've guessed it, the final version has been released and its > still there. > > The reaction to the previous move was clearly effective, but everyone with > an interest in aviation needs to act now. You can make your voice heard by > electronically signing the following petition: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Airfields/ > > It's easy to do and will take no more than 2 minutes of your time. If you > haven't already, do it now and help to save UK airfields from this threat > and from John Prescott! > > > Regards, > > Nick > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:14 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? Tim you forgot to mention the all up weight increase as well! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: 13 January 2007 20:40 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? Brian, I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA mod! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? E Brethren: I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue must have occurred long before this! We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations. When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one. As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied with that??? I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised. Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we know but don't? Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you. Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop.... Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:58 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Which underlines a point that the description given in the E04 text for Mod 72 is off the mark. It tries to be clear about the effected area but, if this is it, fails. Would make inspection easier though! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Zutrauen" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 I have to assume that it is if the same type of failure which occurred about 1 year ago (!), and was actually posted to this list (email below). Nobody appeared to take notice at the time. I followed up with an email to Sam requesting a Pic, which I have attached. I always considered that stress-point at the bracket a weak point, and am glad that they are addressing it (if it is the same defect!). Cheers & blue skies, Peter Zutrauen Europa Builder A239 dual-wing http://europa.zutrasoft.com Ph: 613-831-0348 Cell: 613-850-5551 -----Original EUROPA-LIST Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SPurpura@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK During preflight today I noticed that the spinner was a little offset and hanging a bit low,after removing the cowl I found that the l.g. frame had cracked & separated just behind the port upper motor mount. I believe the crack occured when the manifold cross-over tube was disconnected during carb balancing several months ago and the 914 ran so rough (with the cross-over disconnected ) that it was shut down for fear of breaking a motor mount. If anyone would like to see a pic.,let me know where to post it. Sam N77EU ----- FOLLOW UP Message----- From: SPurpura@aol.com [mailto:SPurpura@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.G. FRAME CRACK The pic shows the tube failed just behind the weld. I will insert another 4130 tube/rod inside obout 4" long & tig weld the separated member and the new reinforcment will be welded at the open end of repaired tube. I will also do this to the starboard side. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 Carl Pattinson wrote: >If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent we >been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or trigears >or both??? > >We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about 60 >or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------- My sentiments entirely. I always assumed that the original designers knew what they were doing, but we are being informed at regular intervals about one failure after another of major components. What exactly is the point of having the PFA. They passed the Europa with flying colours, and yet, some of the parts were obviously underdesigned. I always thought that the engine frame looked kind of flimsy, and I guess the nosegear frame will be next to bite the dust. Has anyone got more details about the aircraft where this failure occurred ? Was it a trigear, and what suspension did it have ? Karl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:04 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? <> Even though the PFA insisted on a similar mod (actually beefier) for heavier engines (i.e. the Subaru and BMW, the latter because of having 2 cylinders rather than 4). Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Ward To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? Brian, I am afraid it is ALL Europa XS aircraft. Only the Classic with the prop. specs. and no cracking are exempt. Why Europa XS, because of the extended frame away from the firewall has created greater bending stress on the original classic inner frame. Europa never beefed up the original inner frame to cater for the XS engine being pushed forward to allow for room. Built for the American market to give a 2 inch increase in the footwell length because they are longer people! Won't mention the LA mod! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 Applicability Question... Where is E04? E Brethren: I have to vent. Why has E04 not given us any factual information on this failure before now? Assuming that the PFA works as fast as the FAA, this issue must have occurred long before this! We have many resources for communication to this group. The Club website, Europa Owners Org, email, Matronics even their own website... Clearly rapid communication to the owners should be in order for the safety of the fleet. Besides... It's just good customer relations. When I was a Piper owner, we were sent quarterly "Service Bulletins" that contain notes from certified mechanics that had come across fleet repair issues just like this one. They gave time in service, type of service and other information that the mechanic felt may have contributed to the parts failure. We were notified of problems well in advance of the FAA issuing any mandatory repair bulletins if they indeed required one. As I read this mandatory modification, an exempt airplane would be a Europa XS with a 912S and Warp Drive Ground Adjustable Prop that has no indications of frame cracks.... That is what I am building. Should I simply be satisfied with that??? I have thus far complied with all "mandatory mods". However in the land were mandatory modification for experimental aircraft do not exist, I am up to my own discretion as to what I should or should not do... I happen to enjoy that option even if I have yet to exercise it. BUT Information is most necessary for that option to be exercised. Where my friends ... is the detail of this failure and what else should we know but don't? Now days communication is easy and cheap E04... We want to hear from you. Now stepping down off the box to resume filling and sanding in the shop.... Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:24 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 That's what Rotax recommend on the engine and is recommended generally for things like fuel lines, but other rubber components (eg engine mounts which have a fail safe mode) could be changed merely on condition. I'm not changing my tyres every 5 years in the absence of any defects otherwise! Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > Good thinking, but should we not as a matter of good practice be replacing > all rubber parts every 5 yrs? If so this would be a smart time to replace > the engine mounts. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > Surprising that there is no recommendation to turn over the mount rubbers, > swap top for bottom or replace. > The weight of the engine would be borne principally by the lower two of > the > four mount points; the upper arms would (because they yield more under > load) > take the "nodding" loads of the engine, plus a lesser contribution of the > engine weight. > > As the more heavily loaded (bottom) rubber mounts yield/creep over time, > progressively more weight would be borne by the top arms. > > In any case, if the spinner line has sunk below the cowl line (as is > normal > with time), this would be usefully reset. > > Duncan Mcf. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Geoff Leedham > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > I think we will all be notified in due course both by the PFA and Europa. > Parts have to be purchased from Europa either a repair kit if no cracks > found or a new complete frame if original is cracked. This mod affects all > europas except some classic installations with lightweight props fitted. I > suggest everyone reads the mod on Europa Aircraft website > http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Pattinson > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > If its a mandatory mod, why havent Europa written to us and why havent > we been sent the requisite parts. BTW are we talking about monos or > trigears > or both??? > > We had enough of this aggro when we were building the aircraft - about > 60 or so mods from memory (yes, we were one of the early ones (no49!!!). > > Now not so happy G-LABS. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: m.clews > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > You've just ruined my and many Europa pilots new year! > Looks straight forward though, thanks for drawing our attention to it > Geoff, > Mike > G-OMIK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Geoff Leedham > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:52 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Mandatory mod no 72 > > > Just checked on Europa's website and discovered yet another > mandatory mod. > This is Mod No. 72 and involves nearly all aircraft and involves a > check of the landing frame for cracks before next flight and then fitting > sleeves to the frame before next permit renewal or 25 hours. This > operation > needs the engine to be removed. > > Geoff Leedham G-EOFS > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref > "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref > "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref > "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: 11/01/2007 15:33 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:52 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale Nigel, I fully agree that the Europa may, or may not, float!! Guessing aside, it could be worked out. I've lost my profile tracings that I took of the wing sections, so can't even attempt a calculation. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nigel charles" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale > >>I guess the Classic would float until such time as the hollowed out > foam > cores had flooded.< > > I still think there would be enough buoyancy in the solid foam parts to > keep the aircraft afloat after the voids have flooded. Remember the > inboard sections are solid foam anyway. > > Nigel Charles > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.