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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Test (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:02 AM - new to list (David Joyce)
3. 02:07 AM - Re: Europa tri gear check list (Steve Pitt)
4. 03:42 AM - Re: new to list (David Joyce)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Europa tri gear check list (Paul Boulet)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (AlStills)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: Tri-Gear For Sale (Gary Leinberger)
8. 11:16 AM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (Richard Scanlan)
9. 11:19 AM - 912 runs rough (sldpileit@aol.com)
10. 12:21 PM - Re: 912 runs rough (Karl Heindl)
11. 02:33 PM - tailplane mass balance (Paul Stewart)
12. 03:30 PM - Re: tailplane mass balance (Tim Ward)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: tailplane mass balance (R.C.Harrison)
14. 03:32 PM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (Paul Boulet)
15. 07:03 PM - Re: 912 runs rough ()
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Where did you go for honeymoon?
Graham
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
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> Just ignore me! I'm having a problem with receiving list emails and I'm
>testing.
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>Do not archive
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Good morning to you all!
Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list - My name is David
Joyce
I guess that should be David Joyce "2" as you already have another one
on list (Hi David 1)
I am a shareholder in G-BWON of The Ripley Technical Flyers Group
www.techflyers.com
I am of course looking forward to joining in with the many varied and
interesting posts on list..
obtw "does a Europa float?" ;-)
David Joyce (2)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa tri gear check list |
Paul is this what you are looking for. The credit goes to Ian and Irene
Rickard and I am in the process of my early solo flights so am still
playing around with it.
Regards and looking forward to seeing any Europa officianados at
Sun'n'Fun.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH - 11 hours flown and counting
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David, A very warm welcome! David N. Joyce, '1', G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Europa-List: new to list
Good morning to you all!
Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list - My name is David Joyce
I guess that should be David Joyce "2" as you already have another one on
list (Hi David 1)
I am a shareholder in G-BWON of The Ripley Technical Flyers Group
www.techflyers.com
I am of course looking forward to joining in with the many varied and
interesting posts on list..
obtw "does a Europa float?" ;-)
David Joyce (2)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa tri gear check list |
Thanks Steve... it's perfect=0APaul Boulet, N914PB=0AMalibu, California=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Steve Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.co
m>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:06:2
6 AM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa tri gear check list=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A
=0A=0A=0APaul is this what you are looking for. The credit =0Agoes to Ian
and Irene Rickard and I am in the process of my early solo flights =0Aso am
still playing around with it.=0A=0ARegards and looking forward to seeing a
ny Europa =0Aofficianados at Sun'n'Fun.=0A=0ASteve Pitt=0A=0AG-SMDH - 11 ho
urs flown and =0Acounting=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | speed kit request for tri gear |
Paul,
Would really like to do that. I'm restricted to the west side mostly but can
go as far as Casa Grande but by early march I should have my 40 Hrs flown
off. Let me know
the next time your in town.
Al Stills
N625AZ
KDVT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:57 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear
Hi Al;
Thanks for the note- what a hoot and holler these planes are! Do you want
to fly tandem next time I come up? I'm restricted on the North by Falcon
field and in the South by Marana. I expect to return in early March for
another 4 or 5 days- hopefully the weather will be warmer
Paul
----- Original Message ----
From: AlStills <astills@cox.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:30:16 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear
Paul,
Don't have the speed kit your asking for Except for my own) but was told
another Europa was flying around the area and wondered who it
was. Glad to hear your having a good time
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear For Sale |
Price?
gl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF
ROBERTS
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Tri-Gear For Sale
Fellow Europaphiles,
I have painfully come to the conclusion that I should sell my Europa
Tri-Gear A258 / Gold Rush. We are building a new home and I'm trying to
add another 20 acres of land to the project / Future runway. For the
next few years I will have little time for flying and the hanger rent
and and an idle plane do not make sense right now.
I have about 70 hours on her and she fly's perfect. This plane spent her
first month of construction under the watchful eyes of Bob Berube at
Flight Crafters in Florida and it came out as a perfect and balanced
plane from the very first flight. Had a visit from Neville on his way to
Oshkosh a few years back for one of many tech & build inspections.
Others done by Steve Wright of Wright Aviation. Some of you may remember
his ''Stagger EZ'' that was on the front cover of last years
2006 Oshkosh program. Having him in the hanger right beside mine was
invaluable.
It has a 912-S with the standard ground adjustable warp drive prop which
I have set at 21 degrees. The empty weight is 877 pounds before wheel
pants. I'm seeing 130 Kts at 6,500 to 7,500 ft @ 5200 RPM's and she'll
do 120 Kts and sip gas at 4800 RPM's. I nicknamed her Gold Rush as you
can see by the paint job. I spent a year block sanding with a high build
primer then painting, and the finish is outstanding. Here is a list of
the panel goodies.
I-Com A200 radio
Garmin 320-A Transponder
Trutrack ADI with built in GPS
Stratomaster E2 Engine monitoring system... My Favorite!
Nav-Aid Autopilot & Servo
Ray Allen Wing leveler with servo built in the aileron.
UMA Altimeter, VSI, and Air Speed with V-speeds silk screened in.
Panel mounted AvMap, with 7 inch screen. I split the screen with map and
HSI.
Flightcom 403 Intercom and a few other toys.
And it has the new Gas Landing light under the prop, thats brighter than
any I've ever seen but uses only 2.9 amps
I have not placed an ad anywhere yet. If there is any interest please
email me direct at this address jeff@rmmm.net.
Best Regards,
Jeff Roberts
615-406-8651 Cell
jeff@rmmm.net
N128LJ / Gold Rush
Here is a picture with more upon your request.
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| Subject: | speed kit request for tri gear |
Hi Paul, how much do you want for the Mono speed kit? I'm over the pond
but I don't suppose carriage would be to frightening.
Richard Scanlan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Sent: 15 January 2007 20:26
Subject: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear
Hi All;
I can't believe it's been over 6 years since I started my kit. Happily
I got to fly some 15 hours over the past 5 days in Arizona's beautiful
Phoenix area desert. Thinking about the future was wondering if anyone
has speed kit for the tri gear for sale? I have the mono wheel speed
kit left over from my conversion but it's pretty useless to me now.
Paul Boulet, N914PB
has flown off 25 of the 40 hours FAA requires
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First I want to thank all of you who have responded over the last few months
regarding my rough running 912. I tried almost every possible fix and nothing
worked. I was still short 500 rpm and very slow to take off. My europa would
also back fire and miss whenever a load was put on the engine. I finally transported
my plane from Xenia Ohio to East Troy WI and had a certified rotax mechanic
troubleshoot the problem for me. What he found was shocking. Two of the
cylinders had low compression. One of which reading 43/80psi, and the other just
barely 70/80. He thin removed the head expecting to find a cracked ring, but
instead found a corroded exhaust seat. The corrosion was so bad that the valve
was leaking thus the low compression. This engine was purchased and remained
crated and stored in a climate controlled building at Flightcrafters in Florida
until put on the aircraft in the fall of 2006. The bottom line is the fact
that I was trying to fly my europa on three cylinde
rs. Lakewood aviation had my jumping through all these hoops and rebuilding my
carbs to the tune of $180. Buying a pneumatic carb sync kit $160. They even had
me completely remove my gas tank system out of the equation by having my wife
hold a 5 gal can of fuel beside the plane while I did a full engine run. Here
is the real rub! I'm still waiting to hear from rotax on what they plan to
do about my new $15000 engine that is corroded inside. I'm hoping that they will
realize that they need to do the right thing and replace a very defective engine.
Years ago I worked as a manager at a seafood steak house and very quickly
realized that a customer who gets a bad meal will tell everyone he meets for
years about the bad meal he got at your restaurant. I hope Rotax does not make
that mistake. I was very impressed when the USAF started flying predators
with rotax engines, and I would hope that Rotax would want to keep their good
standing in the experimental aircraft field. Any thou
ghts that any of you may have on this dilemma would be greatly appreciated.
MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT, USAF RET
________________________________________________________________________
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Hi Scott,
This sounds extremely upsetting and it is the first time that I have heard
of such a problem. It is very unlikely to be a manufacturing problem, but
one of incorrect long-term storage. Some more detective work would be
required like: exactly who did you buy it from, and when was it
manufactured. The factory would know this from the serial number. If it was
purchased from an appointed Rotax dealer, then I think he would be liable.
If he blames it on the factory, then it is up to him to claim a replacement
from them. In the meantime he should honour the guarantee to you. In any
case, it looks like a long wait, because of long lead times at the moment on
new engines.
I am puzzled by the corrosion. According to the maintenance manual, the
engine has internal corrosion proofing, to avoid just such problems from
occurring.
Hope you get it sorted, without having to resort to legal action.
Karl
> First I want to thank all of you who have responded over the last few
>months regarding my rough running 912. I tried almost every possible fix
>and nothing worked. I was still short 500 rpm and very slow to take off. My
>europa would also back fire and miss whenever a load was put on the engine.
>I finally transported my plane from Xenia Ohio to East Troy WI and had a
>certified rotax mechanic troubleshoot the problem for me. What he found was
>shocking. Two of the cylinders had low compression. One of which reading
>43/80psi, and the other just barely 70/80. He thin removed the head
>expecting to find a cracked ring, but instead found a corroded exhaust
>seat. The corrosion was so bad that the valve was leaking thus the low
>compression. This engine was purchased and remained crated and stored in a
>climate controlled building at Flightcrafters in Florida until put on the
>aircraft in the fall of 2006. The bottom line is the fact that I was trying
>to fly my europa on three cylinde
> rs. Lakewood aviation had my jumping through all these hoops and
>rebuilding my carbs to the tune of $180. Buying a pneumatic carb sync kit
>$160. They even had me completely remove my gas tank system out of the
>equation by having my wife hold a 5 gal can of fuel beside the plane while
>I did a full engine run. Here is the real rub! I'm still waiting to hear
>from rotax on what they plan to do about my new $15000 engine that is
>corroded inside. I'm hoping that they will realize that they need to do the
>right thing and replace a very defective engine. Years ago I worked as a
>manager at a seafood steak house and very quickly realized that a customer
>who gets a bad meal will tell everyone he meets for years about the bad
>meal he got at your restaurant. I hope Rotax does not make that mistake. I
>was very impressed when the USAF started flying predators with rotax
>engines, and I would hope that Rotax would want to keep their good standing
>in the experimental aircraft field. Any thou
> ghts that any of you may have on this dilemma would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT, USAF RET
>________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | tailplane mass balance |
Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal
force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes
remaining static when control column released?
REgards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: tailplane mass balance |
Paul,
Equal force. Use a spring weight balance on the control column (pitch) with the
same force to move it or a rubber band and same length to move the control column.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch.
Ph. 64 33515166
MOB 0210640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
---- Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal
> force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes
> remaining static when control column released?
>
> REgards
>
> Paul Stewart
> G-GIDY
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | tailplane mass balance |
Hi! Paul
Best do a balance with the pitch control rod disconnected IMHO. However
have you finished painted them yet? The paint applies a considerable
out of balance factor since there's more surface area behind the
rotational centre line than in front of it.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Stewart
Sent: 16 January 2007 22:36
Subject: Europa-List: tailplane mass balance
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal
force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes
remaining static when control column released?
REgards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: speed kit request for tri gear |
I had a lot of folks want the kit- I want to inventory it, inspect and phot
o it when I return to Arizona in March- hope to sell it for half of cost ne
w plus shipping...=0APaul=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Richard
Scanlan <avgashead@btinternet.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:15:26 AM=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit
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| Subject: | Re: 912 runs rough |
Hello Scott
"found a corroded exhaust seat"
I read your post with interest.
First off you speak of corrosion and corroded exhaust seat.
Is it perhaps "Erosion" as in burning it up in use?
How is the ignition timing? Retarded or whacked?
See:
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/engineservice/TechTips/912Ignition/912IgnDiagrahm.htm
You are absolute sure only proper fuel got into plane?
No jet fuel or some with way too much alcohol or a wise guy pouring in
some model aeroplane fuel with lots of alcohol and nitro?
Is the carburetor too lean?
Are you running float bowl vents to static pressure air, not to an area of
lower pressure like somewhere in the cowl that is low pressure? The carb
float bowl vent lines are perfect, no leaks or kinks?
The diaphragms in the carbs are in perfect shape?
Did you try running 100LL and taking a look at the color of the spark
plugs?
You are running the proper heat range spark plugs?
Back to timing, are the proper plug wires are attached to the proper
plugs?
Is it a air leak somewhere like a O ring not installed or ripped carb
boot, disconnected hose causing a air leak?
If all checks out OK, is it possible that someone switched your new
cylinders for junk somewhere/somehow along the line?
Let us know what you find.
Ron P.
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