---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/16/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:17 AM - Re: Test (Graham Singleton) 2. 02:02 AM - new to list (David Joyce) 3. 02:07 AM - Re: Europa tri gear check list (Steve Pitt) 4. 03:42 AM - Re: new to list (David Joyce) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Europa tri gear check list (Paul Boulet) 6. 06:31 AM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (AlStills) 7. 09:28 AM - Re: Tri-Gear For Sale (Gary Leinberger) 8. 11:16 AM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (Richard Scanlan) 9. 11:19 AM - 912 runs rough (sldpileit@aol.com) 10. 12:21 PM - Re: 912 runs rough (Karl Heindl) 11. 02:33 PM - tailplane mass balance (Paul Stewart) 12. 03:30 PM - Re: tailplane mass balance (Tim Ward) 13. 03:30 PM - Re: tailplane mass balance (R.C.Harrison) 14. 03:32 PM - Re: speed kit request for tri gear (Paul Boulet) 15. 07:03 PM - Re: 912 runs rough () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:02 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Test Where did you go for honeymoon? Graham Tony Krzyzewski wrote: > > Just ignore me! I'm having a problem with receiving list emails and I'm >testing. > >Do not archive > >Tony > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:32 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: new to list Good morning to you all! Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list - My name is David Joyce I guess that should be David Joyce "2" as you already have another one on list (Hi David 1) I am a shareholder in G-BWON of The Ripley Technical Flyers Group www.techflyers.com I am of course looking forward to joining in with the many varied and interesting posts on list.. obtw "does a Europa float?" ;-) David Joyce (2) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:32 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa tri gear check list Paul is this what you are looking for. The credit goes to Ian and Irene Rickard and I am in the process of my early solo flights so am still playing around with it. Regards and looking forward to seeing any Europa officianados at Sun'n'Fun. Steve Pitt G-SMDH - 11 hours flown and counting ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:47 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: new to list David, A very warm welcome! David N. Joyce, '1', G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: new to list Good morning to you all! Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list - My name is David Joyce I guess that should be David Joyce "2" as you already have another one on list (Hi David 1) I am a shareholder in G-BWON of The Ripley Technical Flyers Group www.techflyers.com I am of course looking forward to joining in with the many varied and interesting posts on list.. obtw "does a Europa float?" ;-) David Joyce (2) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:40 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa tri gear check list Thanks Steve... it's perfect=0APaul Boulet, N914PB=0AMalibu, California=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Steve Pitt =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:06:2 6 AM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa tri gear check list=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0APaul is this what you are looking for. The credit =0Agoes to Ian and Irene Rickard and I am in the process of my early solo flights =0Aso am still playing around with it.=0A=0ARegards and looking forward to seeing a ny Europa =0Aofficianados at Sun'n'Fun.=0A=0ASteve Pitt=0A=0AG-SMDH - 11 ho urs flown and =0Acounting=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:40 AM PST US From: "AlStills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear Paul, Would really like to do that. I'm restricted to the west side mostly but can go as far as Casa Grande but by early march I should have my 40 Hrs flown off. Let me know the next time your in town. Al Stills N625AZ KDVT -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:57 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear Hi Al; Thanks for the note- what a hoot and holler these planes are! Do you want to fly tandem next time I come up? I'm restricted on the North by Falcon field and in the South by Marana. I expect to return in early March for another 4 or 5 days- hopefully the weather will be warmer Paul ----- Original Message ---- From: AlStills To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:30:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear Paul, Don't have the speed kit your asking for Except for my own) but was told another Europa was flying around the area and wondered who it was. Glad to hear your having a good time href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS = --> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri-Gear For Sale From: "Gary Leinberger" Price? gl -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Europa-List: Tri-Gear For Sale Fellow Europaphiles, I have painfully come to the conclusion that I should sell my Europa Tri-Gear A258 / Gold Rush. We are building a new home and I'm trying to add another 20 acres of land to the project / Future runway. For the next few years I will have little time for flying and the hanger rent and and an idle plane do not make sense right now. I have about 70 hours on her and she fly's perfect. This plane spent her first month of construction under the watchful eyes of Bob Berube at Flight Crafters in Florida and it came out as a perfect and balanced plane from the very first flight. Had a visit from Neville on his way to Oshkosh a few years back for one of many tech & build inspections. Others done by Steve Wright of Wright Aviation. Some of you may remember his ''Stagger EZ'' that was on the front cover of last years 2006 Oshkosh program. Having him in the hanger right beside mine was invaluable. It has a 912-S with the standard ground adjustable warp drive prop which I have set at 21 degrees. The empty weight is 877 pounds before wheel pants. I'm seeing 130 Kts at 6,500 to 7,500 ft @ 5200 RPM's and she'll do 120 Kts and sip gas at 4800 RPM's. I nicknamed her Gold Rush as you can see by the paint job. I spent a year block sanding with a high build primer then painting, and the finish is outstanding. Here is a list of the panel goodies. I-Com A200 radio Garmin 320-A Transponder Trutrack ADI with built in GPS Stratomaster E2 Engine monitoring system... My Favorite! Nav-Aid Autopilot & Servo Ray Allen Wing leveler with servo built in the aileron. UMA Altimeter, VSI, and Air Speed with V-speeds silk screened in. Panel mounted AvMap, with 7 inch screen. I split the screen with map and HSI. Flightcom 403 Intercom and a few other toys. And it has the new Gas Landing light under the prop, thats brighter than any I've ever seen but uses only 2.9 amps I have not placed an ad anywhere yet. If there is any interest please email me direct at this address jeff@rmmm.net. Best Regards, Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell jeff@rmmm.net N128LJ / Gold Rush Here is a picture with more upon your request. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:48 AM PST US From: "Richard Scanlan" Subject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear Hi Paul, how much do you want for the Mono speed kit? I'm over the pond but I don't suppose carriage would be to frightening. Richard Scanlan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Sent: 15 January 2007 20:26 Subject: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear Hi All; I can't believe it's been over 6 years since I started my kit. Happily I got to fly some 15 hours over the past 5 days in Arizona's beautiful Phoenix area desert. Thinking about the future was wondering if anyone has speed kit for the tri gear for sale? I have the mono wheel speed kit left over from my conversion but it's pretty useless to me now. Paul Boulet, N914PB has flown off 25 of the 40 hours FAA requires ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 912 runs rough From: sldpileit@aol.com First I want to thank all of you who have responded over the last few months regarding my rough running 912. I tried almost every possible fix and nothing worked. I was still short 500 rpm and very slow to take off. My europa would also back fire and miss whenever a load was put on the engine. I finally transported my plane from Xenia Ohio to East Troy WI and had a certified rotax mechanic troubleshoot the problem for me. What he found was shocking. Two of the cylinders had low compression. One of which reading 43/80psi, and the other just barely 70/80. He thin removed the head expecting to find a cracked ring, but instead found a corroded exhaust seat. The corrosion was so bad that the valve was leaking thus the low compression. This engine was purchased and remained crated and stored in a climate controlled building at Flightcrafters in Florida until put on the aircraft in the fall of 2006. The bottom line is the fact that I was trying to fly my europa on three cylinde rs. Lakewood aviation had my jumping through all these hoops and rebuilding my carbs to the tune of $180. Buying a pneumatic carb sync kit $160. They even had me completely remove my gas tank system out of the equation by having my wife hold a 5 gal can of fuel beside the plane while I did a full engine run. Here is the real rub! I'm still waiting to hear from rotax on what they plan to do about my new $15000 engine that is corroded inside. I'm hoping that they will realize that they need to do the right thing and replace a very defective engine. Years ago I worked as a manager at a seafood steak house and very quickly realized that a customer who gets a bad meal will tell everyone he meets for years about the bad meal he got at your restaurant. I hope Rotax does not make that mistake. I was very impressed when the USAF started flying predators with rotax engines, and I would hope that Rotax would want to keep their good standing in the experimental aircraft field. Any thou ghts that any of you may have on this dilemma would be greatly appreciated. MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT, USAF RET ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:24 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 912 runs rough Hi Scott, This sounds extremely upsetting and it is the first time that I have heard of such a problem. It is very unlikely to be a manufacturing problem, but one of incorrect long-term storage. Some more detective work would be required like: exactly who did you buy it from, and when was it manufactured. The factory would know this from the serial number. If it was purchased from an appointed Rotax dealer, then I think he would be liable. If he blames it on the factory, then it is up to him to claim a replacement from them. In the meantime he should honour the guarantee to you. In any case, it looks like a long wait, because of long lead times at the moment on new engines. I am puzzled by the corrosion. According to the maintenance manual, the engine has internal corrosion proofing, to avoid just such problems from occurring. Hope you get it sorted, without having to resort to legal action. Karl > First I want to thank all of you who have responded over the last few >months regarding my rough running 912. I tried almost every possible fix >and nothing worked. I was still short 500 rpm and very slow to take off. My >europa would also back fire and miss whenever a load was put on the engine. >I finally transported my plane from Xenia Ohio to East Troy WI and had a >certified rotax mechanic troubleshoot the problem for me. What he found was >shocking. Two of the cylinders had low compression. One of which reading >43/80psi, and the other just barely 70/80. He thin removed the head >expecting to find a cracked ring, but instead found a corroded exhaust >seat. The corrosion was so bad that the valve was leaking thus the low >compression. This engine was purchased and remained crated and stored in a >climate controlled building at Flightcrafters in Florida until put on the >aircraft in the fall of 2006. The bottom line is the fact that I was trying >to fly my europa on three cylinde > rs. Lakewood aviation had my jumping through all these hoops and >rebuilding my carbs to the tune of $180. Buying a pneumatic carb sync kit >$160. They even had me completely remove my gas tank system out of the >equation by having my wife hold a 5 gal can of fuel beside the plane while >I did a full engine run. Here is the real rub! I'm still waiting to hear >from rotax on what they plan to do about my new $15000 engine that is >corroded inside. I'm hoping that they will realize that they need to do the >right thing and replace a very defective engine. Years ago I worked as a >manager at a seafood steak house and very quickly realized that a customer >who gets a bad meal will tell everyone he meets for years about the bad >meal he got at your restaurant. I hope Rotax does not make that mistake. I >was very impressed when the USAF started flying predators with rotax >engines, and I would hope that Rotax would want to keep their good standing >in the experimental aircraft field. Any thou > ghts that any of you may have on this dilemma would be greatly >appreciated. > >MSGT SCOTT L. DINGMAN RRT, USAF RET >________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:06 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: tailplane mass balance Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes remaining static when control column released? REgards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:10 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailplane mass balance Paul, Equal force. Use a spring weight balance on the control column (pitch) with the same force to move it or a rubber band and same length to move the control column. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton Christchurch. Ph. 64 33515166 MOB 0210640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ---- Paul Stewart wrote: > > Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal > force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes > remaining static when control column released? > > REgards > > Paul Stewart > G-GIDY > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:26 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: tailplane mass balance Hi! Paul Best do a balance with the pitch control rod disconnected IMHO. However have you finished painted them yet? The paint applies a considerable out of balance factor since there's more surface area behind the rotational centre line than in front of it. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: 16 January 2007 22:36 Subject: Europa-List: tailplane mass balance Am I supposed to adjust the TP mass balance weights to achieve equal force for up and down movements rather than just the tail planes remaining static when control column released? REgards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:44 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear I had a lot of folks want the kit- I want to inventory it, inspect and phot o it when I return to Arizona in March- hope to sell it for half of cost ne w plus shipping...=0APaul=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Richard Scanlan =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:15:26 AM=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: speed kit request for tri gear=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Paul, how=0Amuch do you want for the Mono speed kit? I =A2m over the pond but I don=A2t=0Asuppose carriage would be to frightening . =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARichard Scanlan=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A-----Original=0AMessage-----=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-europa-list-server@matro nics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pau l Boulet=0A=0ASent: 15 January 2007 20:26=0A=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co m=0A=0ASubject: Europa-List: speed kit=0Arequest for tri gear=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi All;=0A=0AI can't believe it's been over 6 years sinc e I started my kit. Happily I=0Agot to fly some 15 hours over the past 5 d ays in Arizona's beautiful Phoenix=0Aarea desert. Thinking about the futur e was wondering if anyone has speed=0Akit for the tri gear for sale? I hav e the mono wheel speed kit left over=0Afrom my conversion but it's pretty u seless to me now.=0A=0A=0A=0APaul Boulet, N914PB=0A=0Ahas flown off 25 of t he 40 hours FAA requires=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A - The Eur opa-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.co -======================== ============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912 runs rough From: Hello Scott "found a corroded exhaust seat" I read your post with interest. First off you speak of corrosion and corroded exhaust seat. Is it perhaps "Erosion" as in burning it up in use? How is the ignition timing? Retarded or whacked? See: http://www.greenskyadventures.com/engineservice/TechTips/912Ignition/912IgnDiagrahm.htm You are absolute sure only proper fuel got into plane? No jet fuel or some with way too much alcohol or a wise guy pouring in some model aeroplane fuel with lots of alcohol and nitro? Is the carburetor too lean? Are you running float bowl vents to static pressure air, not to an area of lower pressure like somewhere in the cowl that is low pressure? The carb float bowl vent lines are perfect, no leaks or kinks? The diaphragms in the carbs are in perfect shape? Did you try running 100LL and taking a look at the color of the spark plugs? You are running the proper heat range spark plugs? Back to timing, are the proper plug wires are attached to the proper plugs? Is it a air leak somewhere like a O ring not installed or ripped carb boot, disconnected hose causing a air leak? If all checks out OK, is it possible that someone switched your new cylinders for junk somewhere/somehow along the line? Let us know what you find. 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