---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/22/07: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:42 AM - Re: Re: External Graphics (Brian Davies) 2. 09:54 AM - Re: Thoughts on rudder trim needed? (Graham Singleton) 3. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: External Graphics (Graham Singleton) 4. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: External Graphics (NevEyre@aol.com) 5. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: External Graphics (Rman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:44 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: External Graphics Steve, I notice nobody has replied to your request for information on graphics so I will have a go. I used the factory registration letters and there has been no problem with the size. There is a paragraph somewhere in the regulations that gives some relief on size if it is not practical to fit the full size. The CAA don=92t like the registration on the fin but there are a few aerobatic aircraft flying around with this location. Vehicle graphics supply is a very crowded market so you should not have too much trouble finding a local supplier. I used a small company in Horsham, my nearest town, who worked off a rough draft that I produced and they came to my house and fitted the decals for me. My design was simple and just one colour. There is no doubt this kept the costs down. There were 8 individual decals and the total cost was only UKP 170. I have attached a picture so that you can see what I got for the money. I was very satisfied with the result. The company was Signs first. Tel 01403 240008 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteveD Sent: 20 January 2007 22:11 Subject: Europa-List: Re: External Graphics I'm rebroadcasting this email it didn't seem to make it to the list. Steved. I=92m one of the three builders of XS Tri-Gear G-CHOX. We will soon be having the aircraft painted shiny white, and are starting to think about the exterior design graphics. Some questions for the forum: 1. Has any one used a UK graphic designer, and what were the costs and results? Any other thoughts or advice would be welcome. Goff Moore goffmoore@aviators.net G-CHOX Build Group: Peter Field, Ian Swankie, Goff Moore. www.gchox.co.uk Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org List Download, -- 18/01/2007 18:47 -- 20/01/2007 22:31 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:59 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thoughts on rudder trim needed? All you need for any trim is a Gurney Flap. Just a short piece of foam or balsa stuck under the trailing edge on one side to deflect that surface up, (or sideways if rudder) Do a Google on Gurney flaps. btw Your elevator trim tab has Gurney flaps both sides to cut through the boundary layer. Graham GLENN CROWDER wrote: > > > I sure don't need rudder trim on mine. Flies very straight at all > speeds with no rudder > trim tab. When I fly with a 200 lb passenger, I can just rest my left > foot on the rudder > pedal to counteract small right roll tendency. For long flights with a > passenger, I have > a small bolt on rudder trim tab but I haven't even used it in 3 years. > Lots of extra > complication for no benefit! > > Glenn > >> From: >> To: >> Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on rudder trim needed? >> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:48:50 -0000 >> >> >> Our Monowheel XS with a 914 and Airmaster has both short and long wings. >> Will have servo trim tab for roll on both. Will fly short first for a >> while. >> >> >> I was wondering if I could get opinions on rudder trim. >> >> Is it worth it to install inflight adjustable trim? >> >> Or is it possible that somehow we managed to build an airframe where both >> sets of wings would need no rudder trim? Flies straight in thermal >> soaring >> mode with long wings, as well as heavy fast short wing flight. >> >> Or if rudder trim is needed it is more of a fuse thing, and if needed a >> double sticky tab is all that is needed and would work on both short and >> long, and for the most part rudder trim is just not that speed sensative? >> >> If there was a slight difference between short and long, a calibrated by >> eyecrometer bend on tab, or added 1/2 of a flettner strip for a given >> wing >> makes the most sense? >> >> Anyone have an inflight adjustable rudder trim that they think is a great >> feature? Like have an airplane that at different speeds requires >> different >> rudder trim and being able to adjust just adds to the pleasure of flyin? >> If yes what is dimensions of trim tab you use with how much deflection? >> >> Thx. >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:29 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: External Graphics Steve I might add you can have your letters laser cut too, I had mine done with one side leaning forward and the otherside leaning back to match the sweep back of the fin. Bolt upright letters don't lok right to me. Neither does bolt upright seating position, but Ivan didn't listen unfortunately for those of is with delicate backs Graham Brian Davies wrote: > Steve, > > I notice nobody has replied to your request for information on graphics so I > will have a go. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:58 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: External Graphics Steve, Ask for 3M or Fascal vinyl, most of the other makes will fade in a very short time, these two brands are colour fast for 8 years, guaranteed. Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:30 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: External Graphics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.