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1. 01:57 AM - Re: Mod 72 (JR(Bob) Gowing)
2. 01:57 AM - Fuel Flow Instrumentation (David Joyce)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation (Paul Sistern)
6. 07:58 AM - Re: Mod 72 (SteveD)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: Mod 72 & Machine Discount Supply (rlborger)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation (David Joyce)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation (Peter Rees)
10. 09:37 AM - Not Europa but can any one identify this aeroplane. (Pete Lawless)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: Not Europa but can any one identify this aeroplane. (William Daniell)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Graham Singleton)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Graham Singleton)
14. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (GLENN CROWDER)
15. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Graham Singleton)
16. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Garry)
17. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Graham Singleton)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Main monowheel tyre (h&jeuropa)
19. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Main monowheel tyre (Kevin And Ann Klinefelter)
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John
Try Roger Bull
roger@europa-aircraft.com
If he is not the one then he should pass it on appropriately.
Bob Gowing
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:20 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72
Greetings all,
Reading through SB72 it says that engine installations OTR (other than
Rotax) should contact Europa directly for a solution to SB72.
Anyone know off hand who the new technical contact is at Europa? Their
website sill shows Andy's e-mail, but I seem to recall he's left the
company for greener pastures.
Regards
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying 75.7 hours and not particularly happy this
morning......
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
Many thanks to all those who have replied to this theme. If starting from
scratch I would pick an engine management system (like the Dynon D180) that
would compute fuel flow along with the rest, but having already got the
Rotax Flydat system which doesn't do fuel flow I am looking for a stand
alone system.
T o summarise for the benefit of anyone who may be thinking of doing
something similar there seem to be three good systems that use Floscan
transducers (as opposed to their own make):
1) Fuel Scan 450. 2) Matronics FuelChec DX. 3) Stratomaster MGL Avionics
FF2
The first two are more sophisticated and more expensive than the third, both
costing $1100 or so for the instrument + 2 Floscan 201s, and rather more if
bought in UK. The FF2 instrument costs just 100 in the UK (sensors extra)
but looks very basic. There doesn't seem to be too much to choose between
the first two but the FuelScan 450 is my choice, being slightly cheaper and
perhaps more attractive and with a more user friendly display.
All I need now is a source of inexpensive Floscan Transducers!
David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
Try Broken Leg Dave at
http://www.brokenlegdave.com/Manufacture/FloScan/floscan_home.htm
Does he exist? previous discussion on this Forum suggests that he does.
Or pay UK prices!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Flow Instrumentation
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Many thanks to all those who have replied to this theme. If starting from
> scratch I would pick an engine management system (like the Dynon D180)
> that
> would compute fuel flow along with the rest, but having already got the
> Rotax Flydat system which doesn't do fuel flow I am looking for a stand
> alone system.
> T o summarise for the benefit of anyone who may be thinking of doing
> something similar there seem to be three good systems that use Floscan
> transducers (as opposed to their own make):
> 1) Fuel Scan 450. 2) Matronics FuelChec DX. 3) Stratomaster MGL Avionics
> FF2
> The first two are more sophisticated and more expensive than the third,
> both
> costing $1100 or so for the instrument + 2 Floscan 201s, and rather more
> if
> bought in UK. The FF2 instrument costs just 100 in the UK (sensors extra)
> but looks very basic. There doesn't seem to be too much to choose between
> the first two but the FuelScan 450 is my choice, being slightly cheaper
> and
> perhaps more attractive and with a more user friendly display.
> All I need now is a source of inexpensive Floscan Transducers!
> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
Perhaps Graham is recalling experiences with the original tailwheel
setup as opposed to the XS?
Kevin
GLENN CROWDER wrote:
> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Geez Graham, I'm not saying you're wrong but I just can't fathom what
> you're referring to.
> I did a few swerved landings when I was first training on the mono but
> really none since then for several hundred landings. Every time I
> hear this stuff I get really tensed up for the next flying session and
> wait for bad things to happen but it always floats in like a pussycat
> with no
> theatrics required. Most landings I don't touch the pedals at all,
> maybe slight pressures. Maybe you were flying a poor example or I'm
> flying a very good example, just makes no sense!
> Possibly your a/c was much lighter than mine. I can see where that
> could be an explanation.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>> From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Main monowheel tyre
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:51:51 +0000
>>
>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Tom
>> you were obviously very well trained, I would love to have flown a
>> DC3, a most admirable airplane. You will however need to be very
>> quick on the pedals with the Europa. It's not like a long wing
>> glider, unless you are lucky and have the long wings. You need to
>> read its mind and react before it does then avoid overcontrolling.
>> Currency is the key, I know I'm not current any more. Last time I
>> tried a Europa landing on tarmac I ended up essing down the runway.
>> (My previous landing was 5 years earlier.
>> Graham
>>
>> Tom Friedland wrote:
>>
>>> I have over 2000 hours of tailwheel time in Cessna 140s up to
>>> DeHavilan Otters and some in a DC 3 but none for 40 years... I am a
>>> little aprehensious but will probably be just fine.
>>> There is over an inch of clearance from the tire to the sides of
>>> the tunnel so misalined landings should not cause rubbing or binding
>>> but they can sure cause other bad things.
>>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
HI, I'm an MGL Stratomaster dealer offering the FF2 for 100 as mentioned by David
Joyce above.
I'm expecting to be able to offer the Floscan sender as an option with all MGL
Stratomaster fuel flow instruments sometime in the very near future. Price has
not been set yet but is likely to be similar to the standard sender at 120.
Cheers,
Paul
(Jabiru)G-CBKY
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 72 & Machine Discount Supply |
Steve & other Europaphiles,
I placed an order with Machine Shop Discount Supply back on Jan 17.
I received this response the next day.
I still have not received notification that the reamer has shipped.
I will call them on Monday and see if I can get a status report.
As I stated before, once my Mod 72 is installed, the reamer will be
available for loan to anyone in the U.S. & Canada.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
Paul, Is an A^ any different from a simple UK ? Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation
<paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
HI, I'm an MGL Stratomaster dealer offering the FF2 for 100 as mentioned
by David Joyce above.
I'm expecting to be able to offer the Floscan sender as an option with all
MGL Stratomaster fuel flow instruments sometime in the very near future.
Price has not been set yet but is likely to be similar to the standard
sender at 120.
Cheers,
Paul
(Jabiru)G-CBKY
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
When I was hunting for the cheapest Flowscan price - someone from the group
kindly pointed me at this guy:
http://www.scubasteve.biz/store/manufacturers/floscan/floscan.htm
They were by far the cheapest (201s @ approx 70 + delivery or the 231 for
about 60) - he also seems pretty au-fait with sending stuff to the UK in
such a way as to try and keep the VAT mans nose out of it (will mark it as a
gift and put any value you like on the package).
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation
> <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> HI, I'm an MGL Stratomaster dealer offering the FF2 for 100 as mentioned
> by David Joyce above.
>
> I'm expecting to be able to offer the Floscan sender as an option with all
> MGL Stratomaster fuel flow instruments sometime in the very near future.
> Price has not been set yet but is likely to be similar to the standard
> sender at 120.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
> (Jabiru)G-CBKY
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90806#90806
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Not Europa but can any one identify this aeroplane. |
Hi
Can anybody tell me what this aeroplane is? The picture was taken by a
friend's grandfather at the end of WW1. He was in the RFC. Been
looking at
all the likely suspects but none match. My friend has a boyhood memory
of
having been told the aeroplane was American.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Not Europa but can any one identify this aeroplane. |
I think it is early sikorsky
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:36
Subject: Europa-List: Not Europa but can any one identify this aeroplane.
Hi
Can anybody tell me what this aeroplane is? The picture was taken by a
friend's grandfather at the end of WW1. He was in the RFC. Been looking at
all the likely suspects but none match. My friend has a boyhood memory of
having been told the aeroplane was American.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
kind thought Kevin, but no it was an XS tailwheel. I had 150 hours on
the old tailwheel and never groundlooped it. Did a fair bit of bouncing
though.
Graham
Kevin And Ann Klinefelter wrote:
> <kevann@verizon.net>
>
> Perhaps Graham is recalling experiences with the original tailwheel
> setup as opposed to the XS?
> Kevin9582005
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
Hi Glenn
I'm never wrong but I'm not always right ?;-)
That particular Classic (with XS tailwheel) was not particularly good, I
must admit but I have found that they are all different, sometimes
surprisingly so.
Europa Monowheels are certainly much less docile on the ground than a
Supercub. You just have to be very quick with your eyes and feet.
I am beginning to slow down a bit, can't drive as well as I used to
since I lost one eye.
Odd but I suspect that the memory devoted to that eye is now not used
which slows down the computer between my ears.
Graham
GLENN CROWDER wrote:
>
>
> Geez Graham, I'm not saying you're wrong but I just can't fathom what
> you're referring to.
>
> Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
I've heard that Supercubs are very easy. The only other taildraggers I've
had
time in were a brand new Citabria (Adventure) and a Champ. The Champ I
flew was a total snake and I wouldn't fly again if you paid me and the
Citabria was fun but I found myself concentrating much harder than the
Europa.
Somewhat roll instable even well after touch down and had to fly it to a
stop.
One of the wings is always trying to lift.
The mono seems very damped in yaw on the ground and action on the ground
is just
gentle pressures. It does seem to lose some directional stability under 35
mph after
the rudder quits working but just seems to start drifting slightly to the
left or right after
it slows down. I have never had a wing lift after touchdown. Its fun to
taxi at 40 mph
with both outriggers lifting off the ground. Feels like riding a motorcyle
with training
wheels!
Glenn
>From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Main monowheel tyre
>Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:12:54 +0000
>
><grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
>Hi Glenn
>I'm never wrong but I'm not always right ?;-)
>That particular Classic (with XS tailwheel) was not particularly good, I
>must admit but I have found that they are all different, sometimes
>surprisingly so.
>Europa Monowheels are certainly much less docile on the ground than a
>Supercub. You just have to be very quick with your eyes and feet.
>I am beginning to slow down a bit, can't drive as well as I used to since I
>lost one eye.
>Odd but I suspect that the memory devoted to that eye is now not used which
>slows down the computer between my ears.
>Graham
>
>GLENN CROWDER wrote:
>>
>>
>> Geez Graham, I'm not saying you're wrong but I just can't fathom what
>>you're referring to.
>>
>> Glenn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
Who was it said that taildraggers with toe in were snakes? Toe out is OL
and makes them stable. How do you arrange toe out with a monowheel?
Graham
GLENN CROWDER wrote:
The Champ I
> flew was a total snake and I wouldn't fly again if you paid me and the
> Citabria was fun but I found myself concentrating much harder than the
> Europa.
> Somewhat roll instable even well after touch down and had to fly it to
> a stop.
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
Better yet.........how do you adjust toe-in and toe-out on a Europa trigear?
Garry Stout
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Who was it said that taildraggers with toe in were snakes? Toe out is OL
> and makes them stable. How do you arrange toe out with a monowheel?
> Graham
>
> GLENN CROWDER wrote:
> The Champ I
>> flew was a total snake and I wouldn't fly again if you paid me and the
>> Citabria was fun but I found myself concentrating much harder than the
>> Europa.
>> Somewhat roll instable even well after touch down and had to fly it to a
>> stop.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
Good question. Get it right first time or Redesign it?
Graham
Garry wrote:
>
> Better yet.........how do you adjust toe-in and toe-out on a Europa
> trigear?
>
> Garry Stout
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
We started with the 8.00 - 6 tire (or tyre) that came with the kit. Ran it at
18 psi. After doing max gross weight flight tests (1500 lbs), we noticed that
the brake caliper was machining a nice groove in the tire. The tire also rubbed
the inside of the swing arm and it was very close in the tunnel ( we had moved
the brake master cylinder to get more clearance). So at that time we changed
to 7.00 -6 like many others. We think the plane is a little more stable
with this tire. Also no problem with the brake caliper hitting at max gross weight.
The plane is easy to land on grass. As Graham can attest, we don't do so well
on pavement (major ground loop requiring a lot of repair). Have been flying a
Champ lately, and our Europa is not as easy to land as the Champ. You really
have to look down the runway and keep it straight.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: Main monowheel tyre |
How do you arrange toe out with a monowheel? You get a tire with
funny-looking tread!
Kevin
Graham Singleton wrote:
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Who was it said that taildraggers with toe in were snakes? Toe out is
> OL and makes them stable. How do you arrange toe out with a monowheel?
> Graham
>
> GLENN CROWDER wrote:
> The Champ I
>
>> flew was a total snake and I wouldn't fly again if you paid me and the
>> Citabria was fun but I found myself concentrating much harder than
>> the Europa.
>> Somewhat roll instable even well after touch down and had to fly it
>> to a stop.
>
>
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