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Wed 01/31/07


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 07:33 AM - Re Floscan Sensors (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
     2. 08:58 AM - Re: Re Floscan Sensors (Paul Sistern)
     3. 09:09 AM - Re: FloScan Sensors (Robert Borger)
     4. 09:20 AM - Re: Trutrac ADI looks good for $1100 (JEFF ROBERTS)
     5. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Re Floscan Sensors (Mike Parkin)
     6. 08:46 PM - Re: First Annual Europa Fly in (Paul Boulet)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:33:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re Floscan Sensors
    From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
    To the best of my knowledge, the Floscan company does not manufacture, sell, or endorse any of its turbine flow sensors for aviation use. They will disavow any such use in a court of law. I have seen them say so in print. Check their web site - it is solely marine. Try calling them and asking for an "aviation" sensor and see what happens! Nonetheless Shadin and all the other aviation companies use Floscan sensors because they are the best characterized and stable. An exception are the plastic sensors used in the Strato and Aveo systems and they are prices at much less than half the Floscans. Caveat emptor. My guess is that those aviation companies who use OEM floscans have signed liability agreements with the company. Ira N224XS flying with a Floscan 201b on my BMA EFIS/One


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    Time: 08:58:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Re Floscan Sensors
    From: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
    Ira, The website is not 'solely marine' as you state. Check it out, top left corner, click on the Aviation tag. I have been exchanging emails with Floscan this week discussing marine and aviation sensors. I have even been quoted a price for the 201A aviation sensor and they are ready and willing to supply me with a quantity shipped to the UK. No liability issues discussed or raised by Floscan. The rub is, that for me to sell the 201A in the UK the price may not be acceptable if our governing body, the PFA, is happy to accept the marine models. The marine models use the same components and have slightly different specs in terms of K factor, flow range, and pressure drop. However, if the PFA's only concern is freedom from blockage, then there are models within the marine range that are suitable for the Rotax and Jabiru engines fitted to our aircraft. Anyone care to comment? Regards, Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91860#91860


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    Time: 09:09:31 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: FloScan Sensors
    Europaphiles: On the FloScan website: http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/index.php Is a link to their Aviation usage page: http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/aviation.php Where the FloScan 200 series is advertises for aviation use. Lots of good information on their web site about installation, etc. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger


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    Time: 09:20:53 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Trutrac ADI looks good for $1100
    Hi Glenn, Thanks for the compliments! The Tru Track's GPS gives me a GPS didgetal heading on the ground or in the air. I like that as it backs up the Ave Map and the vertical card compass. In fact I set my compass in flight to it once in a while. The heading dead on and stable. For $150 bucks it's a great option. I also like the slow airspeed warning. It flashes when I get slower than 70 KTS but it will flash at any speed you set it. I've been meaning to set it to 60 but just haven't done it. As far as it getting confused, according to the company it's not possible as it uses airspeed as well as some sort of electric gyro. You may want to go to the web-site and read how it works as I'm not very technical. All I know is that it has performed flawlessly for me. I have never turned it upside down but it will always tell you to get upright past a 45 bank. I hope this helps to answer your question. Best Regards, Jeff N128LJ On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:54 PM, GLENN CROWDER wrote: > <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> > > Hi Jeff - I finally got your panel pic to download. What a beautiful > panel and interior. > Looks like a Ferrari in there (or at least a Lexus) with all that > leather and woodgrain! > You gotta be nuts to be selling that thing! > Seriously tho, have you had any situations where the Trutrac got > upset or confused > like greater than 60 deg banks? Would you recommend the GPS mod? > What does > the GPS mod really do for you? Thanks! > > Glenn > >> From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrac ADI looks good for $1100 >> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:19:43 -0600 >> >> Glenn, >> I purchased one of the first ones to come out and have been using it >> since last spring. It works great! I bought the internal GPS so your >> heading is right on track even on the ground as long as you have a >> shot of the satellites. You can also set it close to the stall as you >> like and it will start flashing to warn you. Go more than a 45 degree >> bank and red arrows will tell you which way to point the stick. It's >> all good, especially for the money. Here is a picture of it in my >> panel. As you can tell I highly recommend it. >> Best Regards >> Jeff Roberts >> N128LJ / Gold Rush... Flying and for sale. >> > > >> << Panel2.JPG >> > > >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:21 AM, GLENN CROWDER wrote: >> >>> <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> >>> >>> >>> I just found the Trutrac ADI with attitude indicator, DG track, and >>> actual >>> bank angle indicator (not turn rate). Looks pretty good for $1100. >>> You >>> can also get it with built in autopilot. Anybody using one? Looks >>> like they're >>> coming out with a Dynon type unit as well. >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/ >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >>> >>> >>> >> Jeff Roberts >> >> RMMM >> Roberts Marketing & Media Management >> 615-355-7575 Office >> 615-406-8651 Cell > > _________________________________________________________________ >> =46rom predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide >> to the > Academy Awards=AE > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > Jeff Roberts RMMM Roberts Marketing & Media Management 615-355-7575 Office 615-406-8651 Cell


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    Time: 12:09:17 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Re Floscan Sensors
    Paul, There are several of us on this side of the water that have the Electronics International FP5/5L fuel flowmeter. These models use a FT60/90/180 flow sensors. I don't know whether EIs sensors are rebadged Flowscan ones or not but they seem to operate on the same principle. The important thing is that they are FAA approved with an STC and some 55 different types on the Approved Model List. More importantly for British Europa builders the FP5L is approved by the PFA. I have operated with the FP5L in my 914 Europa for over 4 years and have to say it is the 'bees knees'. It has proven to be very accurate and fault free. I have the Airmaster CS prop and I tend to set the power for cruise using the fuel flow. It will also give the fuel at your destination if you interface the unit to the GPS. I have this facility - this also works a treat. For more information see http://www.buy-ei.com/index.htm PS. I have no connection with EI, I just think the FP5L is excellent. regards, Mike (G-JULZ) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Re Floscan Sensors > > Anyone care to comment? > > Regards, > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91860#91860 > > > -- > 30/01/2007 23:30 > >


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    Time: 08:46:59 PM PST US
    From: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: Re: First Annual Europa Fly in
    I'd like to come if able- my plane nearly finished flying the 40 hours off. Keep me advised. Thanks,=0APaul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California=0ATri gear converted from mono wheel with 26 hours total flown. Rotax intercool ed 914 engine. Still needs paint/interior installed=0A=0A----- Original Me ssage ----=0AFrom: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>=0ATo: europa-l ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:05:46 PM=0ASubject: Eu ropa-List: First Annual Europa Fly in=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b y: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>=0A=0AHi all,=0A=0AWhen I was at Sun =91n Fun last year Jeff and I got to talking and thought=0Athat the re were enough Europa aircraft now flying in the US for us to get=0Atogethe r for an annual fly in. I have got together with Jeff and over the=0Alast few months we have researched venues and potential times.=0A=0AJeff and I w ould like to invite the Europa community to join us at Rough=0ARiver, Kentu cky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and=0Aaviation buffs f rom August 31 to September 2, 2007=0A=0ARough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own airport=0A(2I3), camping facilities and a l odge, which is walking distance from the=0Aairport. The lodge offers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.=0A=0ARough River offers walking trails , fishing, beach, golfing and a large=0Amarina that has rental craft of all sizes available.=0A=0AAt the time of writing plenty of accommodation is av ailable, however this=0Aquickly fills as the weather warms up.=0A=0AFor mor e in Rough River take a look at=0A=0Ahttp://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/=0A http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm=0Ahttp://www.airnav.com/airpor t/2I3=0Ahttp://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.609777%2C-86.506925&spn=0.012 4,0.0124&q=37=0A.609777%2C-86.506925%20(2I3)=0A=0A=0AFor reservations cal l 800-325-1713=0A=0APlease let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating att ending. It would=0Ahelp us better plan the event if we have an approximate head count.=0A=0AJeff can be contacted at topglock@cox.net=0APaul can be c ontacted at paul.mcallister@qia.net=0A=0APaul & Jeff=0A=0APS Please pass th is onto anyone you know who is not on the Europa forum=0Alist.=0A=0A=0A=0A ===0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A




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