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1. 02:20 AM - Re: Re: Re Floscan Sensors (Graham Singleton)
2. 06:59 AM - Alternative Mod 72 (brianelong)
3. 07:42 AM - remote oil press sensor (Paul Stewart)
4. 07:43 AM - crush washers (Paul Stewart)
5. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation (David Joyce)
6. 09:40 AM - Flowscan 201B sensors, anyone have a failure? ()
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Floscan sensors (John & Paddy Wigney)
8. 06:40 PM - Re: Alternative Mod 72 (SPurpura@aol.com)
9. 07:50 PM - Dodgy Tacho? (MJKTuck@cs.com)
10. 08:43 PM - Re: First Annual Europa Fly in (Tom Friedland)
11. 11:31 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:32 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:51 PM - Re: First Annual Europa Fly in (Paul Boulet)
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| Subject: | Re: Re Floscan Sensors |
Flowscan transducers use infra red sensing of the rotor speed so are not
susceptible to magnetic interference. Some transducers use magnetic
sensing and can be affected by the Rotax alternator.
Graham
Mike Parkin wrote:
>
> Paul,
I don't know whether EIs sensors are rebadged
> Flowscan ones or not but they seem to operate on the same principle.
> The important thing is that they are FAA approved with an STC and some
> 55 different types on the Approved Model List. More importantly for
> British Europa builders the FP5L is approved by the PFA.
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| Subject: | Alternative Mod 72 |
Does anyone know the specs on the insert that Europa provides for mod 72. I have
my aircraft down for annual inspection and would like buy or make the insert
locally so as not wait on delivery. Any info on type of metal, tube wall thickness,
length etc. would be helpful.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | remote oil press sensor |
I know there was discussion about remote siting of the oil pressure
sensor to reduce wear in the NPT mounting screw. I need to do this to
use a slightly larger Westach version (won't quite fit next to CH).
Can anyone whose done it offer some details:
How far away is the sensor mounted
Type of hose, fittings etc.
Does the connecting hose require filling with oil/bleeding
Thanks in anticipation
Paul
G-GIDY
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I've just swapped out my VDO temp sensors for Westach alternatives
(compatibility issues with BMA E1). The westach versions came with a
copper crush washer unlike the VDO ones - anyone any thoughts as to
whether they are required ?
Paul
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation |
Paul, I would be reluctant to use anything other than the aviation
transducer designed for the planes fuel flow range, which I believe is the
201A-6 for Rotax engines. It is a pretty sensitive bit of the plane to put
anything in and the accuracy of it is safety critical (ignoring the fact
that we should have an additional way of knowing how much fuel there is
left). Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Sistern" <paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Flow Instrumentation
<paul@sistern.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> As a follow up to the above posts I have been corresponding with Floscan
on the subject of ScubaSteve in Florida. He offers a 201B-9 transducer,
which you might think is similar to the 201A-6 or 201B-6 transducer that is
designed for aircraft use. It is not. Floscan tell me it is in fact a 20B
marine transducer. And of course, the cheaper 231 is a marine transducer
too.
>
> What are the group's thoughts on using marine sensors on their aircraft
engines.
>
> If I am to offer the genuine aviation 201A transducer on my website it is
likely to retail at about GBP 165.00 incl. based on a current quote from
Floscan.
>
> Any feedback very gratefully received.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91670#91670
>
>
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| Subject: | Flowscan 201B sensors, anyone have a failure? |
All this talk of Flowscan sensors.
Has anyone had one fail?
What precautions have been taken, especial using Mogas if plane is to be
idle for a while?
After failure, were you able to bring back to life with carb. cleaner?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Floscan sensors |
Dear Europaphiles,
For interest, the fuel flow option on the Grand Rapids EIS #2004 <
http://www.grtavionics.com/model_2004.htm > uses a Floscan 201B sensor.
I have found it to be very accurate - usually within 0.1 gal on the
totaliser when I fill the tank. However, it is important to provide a
straight length of hose before the sensor to eliminate turbulence. I
also found that a damper is essential to smooth out flow/pressure pulses
from the fuel pump. Matt Dralle at Matronics sells a very nice item, see
< http://www.matronics.com/fuelchec/dampener.html > . I made my damper
for almost nothing using a tee and a length of fuel hose in a u-tube
arrangement which traps air below a plugged end fitting.
Cheers, John
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative Mod 72 |
Try 3/4" o.d. cold rolled solid rod,very close fit.
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Hi Folks,
I have noticed on some flights (but not all) that I can be happily flying
along at 5,000 rpm when the UMA analogue tacho pointer catches my eye as it drops
to maybe 3,000 rpm., hovers for a bit, moves around a bit, then resumes back
where it should be. Of course the engine carries on working just fine while
all this is going on. I was planning on installing a UMA LED digital tacho
thinking it maybe the instrument. It could I suppose be the sensor at the engine
end.
Any thoughts on what it might be - and anyone had any experience with the UMA
LED 2 1/4 in. digital tacho? Any other recommendations out there - needs to
be 2 1/4 inch dia. instrument though.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: First Annual Europa Fly in |
Hi Paul
No, I am not flying yet. Still getting organized after the move to
Washington.
There are quite a few Europas on the Left Coast. Wouldn't it be better to
have a Europa swarm in a more central location? Like Ellensburg Washinton?
I mean like Kansas?
Tom Friedland
On 1/31/07, Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I'd like to come if able- my plane nearly finished flying the 40 hours
> off. Keep me advised. Thanks,
> Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California
> Tri gear converted from mono wheel with 26 hours total flown. Rotax
> intercooled 914 engine. Still needs paint/interior installed
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:05:46 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: First Annual Europa Fly in
>
> paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> When I was at Sun 'n Fun last year Jeff and I got to talking and thought
> that there were enough Europa aircraft now flying in the US for us to get
> together for an annual fly in. I have got together with Jeff and over the
> last few months we have researched venues and potential times.
>
> Jeff and I would like to invite the Europa community to join us at Rough
> River, Kentucky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and
> aviation buffs from August 31 to September 2, 2007
>
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own airport
> (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking distance from the
> airport. The lodge offers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> At the time of writing plenty of accommodation is available, however this
> quickly fills as the weather warms up.
>
> For more in Rough River take a look at
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.609777%2C-86.506925&spn=0.0124,0.0124&q=37
> .609777%2C-86.506925%20(2I3)
>
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It would
> help us better plan the event if we have an approximate head count.
>
> Jeff can be contacted at topglock@cox.net
> Paul can be contacted at paul.mcallister@qia.net
>
> Paul & Jeff
>
> PS Please pass this onto anyone p; -->
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: First Annual Europa Fly in |
I agree central is better. however, whoever is hosting/forming up this eve
nt probably has location choosing rights. I'm hoping I'll be in shape for
long flying trips by summer but have my doubts as this 6 1/2 year project w
as originally supposed to be completed in two years=0APaul=0A=0A----- Origi
nal Message ----=0AFrom: Tom Friedland <96victor@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, February 1, 2007 6:01:58 PM=0ASubject: R
e: Europa-List: First Annual Europa Fly in=0A=0AHi Paul=0A=0A =0A=0ANo, I a
m not flying yet. Still getting organized after the move to Washington.=0A
=0A =0A=0AThere are quite a few Europas on the Left Coast. Wouldn't it be
better to have a Europa swarm in a more central location? Like Ellensburg
Washinton? I mean like Kansas?=0A=0A =0A=0ATom Friedland=0A=0A =0A=0AOn 1/
31/07, Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0AI'd like to c
ome if able- my plane nearly finished flying the 40 hours off. Keep me adv
ised. Thanks,=0APaul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, California=0A=0ATri gear conv
erted from mono wheel with 26 hours total flown. Rotax intercooled 914 eng
ine. Still needs paint/interior installed=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -
---=0AFrom: Paul McAllister <=0Apaul.mcallister@qia.net>=0ATo: europa-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:05:46 PM=0A=0ASubject: Eur
opa-List: First Annual Europa Fly in=0A=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted
by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>=0A=0A=0AHi all,=0A=0AWhen
I was at Sun 'n Fun last year Jeff and I got to talking and thought=0Athat
there were enough Europa aircraft now flying in the US for us to get=0Atoge
ther for an annual fly in. I have got together with Jeff and over the=0A
=0Alast few months we have researched venues and potential times.=0A=0AJeff
and I would like to invite the Europa community to join us at Rough=0ARive
r, Kentucky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and=0A=0Aaviat
ion buffs from August 31 to September 2, 2007=0A=0ARough River is part of t
he Kentucky State Park system with its own airport=0A(2I3), camping facilit
ies and a lodge, which is walking distance from the=0Aairport. The lodge o
ffers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.=0A=0A=0ARough River offers
walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large=0Amarina that has renta
l craft of all sizes available.=0A=0AAt the time of writing plenty of accom
modation is available, however this=0Aquickly fills as the weather warms up
.=0A=0A=0AFor more in Rough River take a look at=0A=0Ahttp://parks.ky.gov/r
esortparks/rr/=0A=0Ahttp://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm=0Ahttp://w
ww.airnav.com/airport/2I3=0A=0Ahttp://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.609777%2
C-86.506925&spn=0.0124,0.0124&q=37=0A.609777%2C-86.506925%20(2I3)=0A=0A
=0AFor reservations call 800-325-1713=0A=0APlease let me or Jeff know if yo
u are contemplating attending. It would=0A=0Ahelp us better plan the event
if we have an approximate head count.=0A=0AJeff can be contacted at topglo
ck@cox.net=0A=0APaul can be contacted at paul.mcallister@qia.net=0A=0APaul
& Jeff=0A=0APS Please pass this onto anyone p; --> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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