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1. 05:36 AM - Rotax rubber carb flanges (nigel charles)
2. 05:47 AM - mod 72 (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Rotax rubber carb flanges (Alan Burrows)
4. 11:10 AM - Re: mod 72 (Paul Boulet)
5. 11:12 AM - Re: mod 72 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 11:55 AM - Re: mod 72 (nigel charles)
7. 12:03 PM - Re: Tow Bars (steve v)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: mod 72 (brianelong)
9. 12:44 PM - Re: Tow Bars (Steve Pitt)
10. 01:21 PM - Re: mod 72 (tony.bale@virgin.net)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: Tow Bars (JEFF ROBERTS)
12. 03:20 PM - Re: mod 72 (Kim Prout)
13. 04:24 PM - Re: mod 72 (karelvranken)
14. 05:14 PM - Re: mod 72 (SPurpura@aol.com)
15. 05:36 PM - Re: mod 72 (Steve Hagar)
16. 07:19 PM - Re: Tow Bars (Alan Burrows)
17. 10:55 PM - mod 72 (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Rotax rubber carb flanges |
Anyone with a Rotax engine over 5 years old should be considering
changing the rubber carb flanges as they have been known to split with
age. The cost of these from Rotax is rather excessive at over =A350
each.
Aerosport UK sell the Mikuni version (which are effectively identical)
for under =A324. They also come with the spacer tube preventing
overtightening.
Refer to website page
http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37
.html.#
<http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_3
7.html.>
Nigel Charles
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Any one received mod 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and
ready. :-)
Danny G-c.e.r.i
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| Subject: | Rotax rubber carb flanges |
Nigel is correct about changing the rubber flanges. Just a point on that
subject, the new ones don=92t come with the metal insert as it is not
required
on the new type flange, so don=92t transfer it over to the flange when
fitting.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel
charles
Sent: 14 February 2007 13:34
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax rubber carb flanges
Anyone with a Rotax engine over 5 years old should be considering
changing
the rubber carb flanges as they have been known to split with age. The
cost
of these from Rotax is rather excessive at over =A350 each. Aerosport UK
sell
the Mikuni version (which are effectively identical) for under =A324.
They
also come with the spacer tube preventing overtightening.
Refer to website page HYPERLINK
"http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37
.ht
ml."http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange
_37
.html.#
Nigel Charles
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reamed and ready? Sheesh.... what is the world coming too!=0A=0ALMAO in Ma
libu=0A=0APaul Boulet, N914PB=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "
danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>=0ATo: matronics <eur
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ny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>=0A=0AAny one received m
od 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and =0Aready. :-)=0A=0AD
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Ordered two weeks ago and nothing yet. I would be interested in whether or
not they have shipped.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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You will be waiting a while yet. The factory placed an order for 400
pairs a few weeks ago. To my knowledge no one in the UK has received
parts yet.
On the basis that the mod only has to be completed within 25 flying
hours anyone with a flying aircraft may wish to delay preparation for
the mod until they know the parts have been shipped.
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 14 February 2007 19:11
Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72
Ordered two weeks ago and nothing yet. I would be interested in whether
or not they have shipped.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod threaded at both
ends which would finish flush with the outside of the spat, it would be HOLLOW
at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to accept the fork,
im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while constructing,
steve vestuti #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Recieved an e-mail from Roger Bull this morning that expressed hope he could ship
them in a week. I asked him in a e-mail the specs on the inserts but recieved
no reply on the matter. Seems it would be simple to make your own with proper
specs and a lathe. I'm down and ready too since I just completed annual inpection.
I wonder how long it will take once they leave the U.K.. Every pretty
day gone by hurts a little more.
As soon as I button up and go flying they will arrive. If I stay down and wait
it will drag on past Sun-N-Fun. Thats just the way my luck goes.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Sounds good - I am not enough of an engineer to create these things but
having read that one should not move an aircraft by its propeller once you
have a VP or C/S unit I wonder how others are coping.
Keep me posted.
Steve Pitt G-SMDH
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Interesting question Danny, I ordered the mod almost three weeks ago and
was told 10 days, I rang end of last week to be told 10-15 days, the
explanation being - because thats how long it takes !!! for a couple of
tubes ??.
I often wondered why people were looking to source components elsewhere, as
I believed we should support the new organisation, however with service
like this you have to wonder.
Hope this is the only problem we have with Europa.
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From: danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: mod 72
<danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Any one received mod 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and
ready. :-)
Danny G-c.e.r.i
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Steve,
I would may be a taker on that if it comes up.
Jeff
N128LJ
On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:03 PM, steve v wrote:
>
> hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod
> threaded at both ends which would finish flush with the outside of the
> spat, it would be HOLLOW at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to
> accept the fork,
> im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while
> constructing,
>
> steve vestuti #573
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
Jeff Roberts
RMMM
Roberts Marketing & Media Management
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
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Hello Nigel!
Does anybody there know what the material and dimensions for the inserts
should be? We just might be better off getting a few pieces machined locally
(and quickly).
Thanks!
Kim Prout
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I also ordered a few weeks ago. But Roger Bull may serve you first for my
part. You are the kind of man who is even making his children himself
without needing a woman if you can get the specs.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: "brianelong" <brian@mycarpetsource.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72
>
> Recieved an e-mail from Roger Bull this morning that expressed hope he
> could ship them in a week. I asked him in a e-mail the specs on the
> inserts but recieved no reply on the matter. Seems it would be simple to
> make your own with proper specs and a lathe. I'm down and ready too since
> I just completed annual inpection. I wonder how long it will take once
> they leave the U.K.. Every pretty day gone by hurts a little more.
> As soon as I button up and go flying they will arrive. If I stay down and
> wait it will drag on past Sun-N-Fun. Thats just the way my luck goes.
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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I used some 3/4 or 5/8 od solid rod,fit was good.
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I'm ordering 3/4" 4130 tubing 3/16 wall and turning it down to 16.5 mm. Length
to suite the distance to just shy of the through bolts going into the fuselage.
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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Hi Steve
I would be in the market for one of these also.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v
Sent: 14 February 2007 20:03
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tow Bars
hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod threaded at
both ends which would finish flush with the outside of the spat, it would be
HOLLOW at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to accept the fork,
im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while constructing,
steve vestuti #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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While I do not mean to denigrate in any way the various approaches
which have been suggested to deal w/ the structural deficiency which
mod 72 is intended to correct, what comes up for me is an appreciation
of the amount of work which Europa04 has done to ensure the integrity
of the aircraft. I'm imagining the design calculations, the paperwork
for the PFA, and testing and the real costs associated therewith. The
costs of the hardware is negligible.
My concern is that I think the Europa design loses value if there is an
awareness in the experimental/homebuilt aircraft community that the
engine mounting frames were cracking and guys took it upon themselves
to install one or another kind of a fix of their own design. it seems
to me that it would be far more preferable for the story to be that
there were some failures in the engine mount, the problem was addressed
by E04, a fix was designed, tested, and approved, and every Europa
flying has had the mod installed.
I feel it is a huge benefit to me that E04 exists and continues to
service the design and kits sold by the predecessor company; I want to
support them to remain in business, and I don't begrudge them the 15
pounds for a couple of sleeves.
...just my 2 cents (or 15 pounds) worth of opinion....
Fred
A194
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