---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/14/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 AM - Rotax rubber carb flanges (nigel charles) 2. 05:47 AM - mod 72 (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk) 3. 06:34 AM - Re: Rotax rubber carb flanges (Alan Burrows) 4. 11:10 AM - Re: mod 72 (Paul Boulet) 5. 11:12 AM - Re: mod 72 (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 6. 11:55 AM - Re: mod 72 (nigel charles) 7. 12:03 PM - Re: Tow Bars (steve v) 8. 12:26 PM - Re: mod 72 (brianelong) 9. 12:44 PM - Re: Tow Bars (Steve Pitt) 10. 01:21 PM - Re: mod 72 (tony.bale@virgin.net) 11. 03:20 PM - Re: Tow Bars (JEFF ROBERTS) 12. 03:20 PM - Re: mod 72 (Kim Prout) 13. 04:24 PM - Re: mod 72 (karelvranken) 14. 05:14 PM - Re: mod 72 (SPurpura@aol.com) 15. 05:36 PM - Re: mod 72 (Steve Hagar) 16. 07:19 PM - Re: Tow Bars (Alan Burrows) 17. 10:55 PM - mod 72 (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:09 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax rubber carb flanges Anyone with a Rotax engine over 5 years old should be considering changing the rubber carb flanges as they have been known to split with age. The cost of these from Rotax is rather excessive at over =A350 each. Aerosport UK sell the Mikuni version (which are effectively identical) for under =A324. They also come with the spacer tube preventing overtightening. Refer to website page http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37 .html.# Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:26 AM PST US From: "danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" Subject: Europa-List: mod 72 Any one received mod 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and ready. :-) Danny G-c.e.r.i ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:21 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax rubber carb flanges Nigel is correct about changing the rubber flanges. Just a point on that subject, the new ones don=92t come with the metal insert as it is not required on the new type flange, so don=92t transfer it over to the flange when fitting. Alan _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 14 February 2007 13:34 Subject: Europa-List: Rotax rubber carb flanges Anyone with a Rotax engine over 5 years old should be considering changing the rubber carb flanges as they have been known to split with age. The cost of these from Rotax is rather excessive at over =A350 each. Aerosport UK sell the Mikuni version (which are effectively identical) for under =A324. They also come with the spacer tube preventing overtightening. Refer to website page HYPERLINK "http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange_37 .ht ml."http://www.aerosportuk.com/acatalog/Aerosport_Shop_Carburettor_Flange _37 .html.# Nigel Charles "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 14/02/2007 07:54 -- 14/02/2007 07:54 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:32 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 reamed and ready? Sheesh.... what is the world coming too!=0A=0ALMAO in Ma libu=0A=0APaul Boulet, N914PB=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: " danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" =0ATo: matronics =0ASent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:49:15 AM=0AS ny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" =0A=0AAny one received m od 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and =0Aready. :-)=0A=0AD ===== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:03 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 Ordered two weeks ago and nothing yet. I would be interested in whether or not they have shipped. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:47 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: mod 72 You will be waiting a while yet. The factory placed an order for 400 pairs a few weeks ago. To my knowledge no one in the UK has received parts yet. On the basis that the mod only has to be completed within 25 flying hours anyone with a flying aircraft may wish to delay preparation for the mod until they know the parts have been shipped. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: 14 February 2007 19:11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 Ordered two weeks ago and nothing yet. I would be interested in whether or not they have shipped. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tow Bars From: "steve v " hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod threaded at both ends which would finish flush with the outside of the spat, it would be HOLLOW at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to accept the fork, im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while constructing, steve vestuti #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 From: "brianelong" Recieved an e-mail from Roger Bull this morning that expressed hope he could ship them in a week. I asked him in a e-mail the specs on the inserts but recieved no reply on the matter. Seems it would be simple to make your own with proper specs and a lathe. I'm down and ready too since I just completed annual inpection. I wonder how long it will take once they leave the U.K.. Every pretty day gone by hurts a little more. As soon as I button up and go flying they will arrive. If I stay down and wait it will drag on past Sun-N-Fun. Thats just the way my luck goes. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:37 PM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tow Bars Sounds good - I am not enough of an engineer to create these things but having read that one should not move an aircraft by its propeller once you have a VP or C/S unit I wonder how others are coping. Keep me posted. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:05 PM PST US From: "tony.bale@virgin.net" Subject: RE: Europa-List: mod 72 Interesting question Danny, I ordered the mod almost three weeks ago and was told 10 days, I rang end of last week to be told 10-15 days, the explanation being - because thats how long it takes !!! for a couple of tubes ??. I often wondered why people were looking to source components elsewhere, as I believed we should support the new organisation, however with service like this you have to wonder. Hope this is the only problem we have with Europa. Original Message: ----------------- From: danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk Subject: Europa-List: mod 72 Any one received mod 72 yet. My engine's hanging off, and I'm reamed and ready. :-) Danny G-c.e.r.i -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:17 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tow Bars Steve, I would may be a taker on that if it comes up. Jeff N128LJ On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:03 PM, steve v wrote: > > hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod > threaded at both ends which would finish flush with the outside of the > spat, it would be HOLLOW at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to > accept the fork, > im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while > constructing, > > steve vestuti #573 > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > Jeff Roberts RMMM Roberts Marketing & Media Management 615-355-7575 Office 615-406-8651 Cell ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:17 PM PST US From: Kim Prout Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 Hello Nigel! Does anybody there know what the material and dimensions for the inserts should be? We just might be better off getting a few pieces machined locally (and quickly). Thanks! Kim Prout ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:08 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 I also ordered a few weeks ago. But Roger Bull may serve you first for my part. You are the kind of man who is even making his children himself without needing a woman if you can get the specs. Best regards, Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "brianelong" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 > > Recieved an e-mail from Roger Bull this morning that expressed hope he > could ship them in a week. I asked him in a e-mail the specs on the > inserts but recieved no reply on the matter. Seems it would be simple to > make your own with proper specs and a lathe. I'm down and ready too since > I just completed annual inpection. I wonder how long it will take once > they leave the U.K.. Every pretty day gone by hurts a little more. > As soon as I button up and go flying they will arrive. If I stay down and > wait it will drag on past Sun-N-Fun. Thats just the way my luck goes. > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:22 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 I used some 3/4 or 5/8 od solid rod,fit was good. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:43 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Re: Europa-List: mod 72 I'm ordering 3/4" 4130 tubing 3/16 wall and turning it down to 16.5 mm. Length to suite the distance to just shy of the through bolts going into the fuselage. Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:22 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tow Bars Hi Steve I would be in the market for one of these also. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v Sent: 14 February 2007 20:03 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tow Bars hi, istead of a standard "bolt" ,what about a hardened steel rod threaded at both ends which would finish flush with the outside of the spat, it would be HOLLOW at both ends to a depth of about 3/4" to accept the fork, im sure if enogh builders ordered one it would be worth while constructing, steve vestuti #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org -- 07:54 -- 07:54 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: mod 72 From: Fred Klein While I do not mean to denigrate in any way the various approaches which have been suggested to deal w/ the structural deficiency which mod 72 is intended to correct, what comes up for me is an appreciation of the amount of work which Europa04 has done to ensure the integrity of the aircraft. I'm imagining the design calculations, the paperwork for the PFA, and testing and the real costs associated therewith. The costs of the hardware is negligible. My concern is that I think the Europa design loses value if there is an awareness in the experimental/homebuilt aircraft community that the engine mounting frames were cracking and guys took it upon themselves to install one or another kind of a fix of their own design. it seems to me that it would be far more preferable for the story to be that there were some failures in the engine mount, the problem was addressed by E04, a fix was designed, tested, and approved, and every Europa flying has had the mod installed. I feel it is a huge benefit to me that E04 exists and continues to service the design and kits sold by the predecessor company; I want to support them to remain in business, and I don't begrudge them the 15 pounds for a couple of sleeves. ...just my 2 cents (or 15 pounds) worth of opinion.... 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