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1. 09:45 AM - Europa DoorShoulder widening Mod. (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:28 PM - Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Steven Janicki)
3. 02:51 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (AlStills)
4. 02:54 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Terry Seaver (terrys))
5. 03:06 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Bill and Sue)
6. 04:58 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Graham Singleton)
7. 05:38 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (GLENN CROWDER)
8. 07:18 PM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for (brianelong)
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| Subject: | Europa DoorShoulder widening Mod. |
Europa Door shoulder widening mod.....
My friend is asking for contact details of anyone able to loan, hire or
sell less than new price, the door moulding patterns for port and
starboard shoulder widening mod ? please contact Roger Cullum at :-
rsc-93@hotmail.co.uk
Regards
Bob Harrison.
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Hello All,=0A=0AI am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Eur
opa XS. I have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pict
ures, etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states
and thus I don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in pe
rson. My remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the airplane. I a
m 6', tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor I measure my hea
d at 38". My weight is 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mai
l list as well as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is abou
t max height for comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from curr
ent flyers / builders.=0A=0AI can't find the specific measurements of the c
ockpit from seat bottom to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the am
ount of recline the seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some
measurements against and get a better approximation as to how much room the
re is in the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to a source?=0A=0AM
y previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the same
amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live in Northern
California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or in the Bay Area
building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the opportunity to try t
he airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's in the area?=0A=0AI real
ly admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with a great bal
ance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in the airplane co
mfortably!=0A=0AThank's in advance for your help!=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ASteven
=0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Steven,
I'm about the same as you in Height-6'1", 37 or 38" from butt to top of head
and 230 lbs. I fit comfortably into the XS seat while flying although I had
to take 1" out of the
padding from my seat cushion. I have 1" of high density foam on the bottom
with shaped sides. I must say there is not a lot of room over my head but
enough that in
light turbulence I'm not bouncing off the glass on the top. You do have an
advantage over me as I wish my legs were about 1" shorter. They then would
not rest upon
the air duct on the side wall. Altogether I'm quite comfortable while flying
although I've only flown for 2-3 hrs at a time while flying my 40 hrs off.
Al Stills
N625AZ
Phoenix, Ariz
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| Subject: | Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Hi Stephen,
We have a mono-wheel XS that we have been flying for over 5 years. We
keep the plane at Livermore airport, and would be glad to show it to
you, and give you a chance to sit in it, or go for a flight if you like
and the weather permits.
regards,
Terry Seaver
N135TD
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Janicki
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the
group
Hello All,
I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I
have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures,
etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states
and thus I don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in
person. My remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the
airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor
I measure my head at 38". My weight is 210 lbs. I have read what I could
find on this e-mail list as well as the Internet and the concensus is
that 6' - 6' 1" is about max height for comfort. I would appreciate any
additional input from current flyers / builders.
I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat bottom
to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of recline the
seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some measurements
against and get a better approximation as to how much room there is in
the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to a source?
My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the
same amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live in
Northern California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or in
the Bay Area building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the
opportunity to try the airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's
in the area?
I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with a
great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in the
airplane comfortably!
Thank's in advance for your help!
Regards,
Steven
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
I am 6'2" and 203 lbs.
Am very comfortable and do not feel constrained for room.
Mono XS
914 Airmaster
535hrs
Sue & Bill
Steven Janicki wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I
> have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures,
> etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states
> and thus I don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane
> in person. My remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the
> airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the
> floor I measure my head at 38". My weight is 210 lbs. I have read what
> I could find on this e-mail list as well as the Internet and the
> concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about max height for comfort. I would
> appreciate any additional input from current flyers / builders.
>
> I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat bottom
> to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of recline the
> seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some measurements
> against and get a better approximation as to how much room there is in
> the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to a source?
>
> My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the
> same amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live
> in Northern California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or
> in the Bay Area building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the
> opportunity to try the airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's
> in the area?
>
> I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with
> a great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in
> the airplane comfortably!
>
> Thank's in advance for your help!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven
>
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Steven
As you've realized, torso height is the issue here. You can aleviate
this by sitting with your butt further forward and knees higher. I once
modded an XS for a guy who was 6'5, I extended the footwells a bit and
moved the rudder pedals forward, also lowered the thigh supports and
made them butt shaped. I have not yet been offered a ride in this
airplane ( it has been sold unfinished twice but is now flying) but on
the ground it was superbly comfortable for me, (5'10 and shrinking with
bitter experience and age {{;-))
You will find the Europa less unforgiving than a Lancair 320, one of the
few airplanes that the nose goes up when you stall, (unless you have the
big Australian tail) Ever wondered why accidents increased around 40
hours. My guess, guys with a bit of experience with their airplane
starting to go for the numbers on landing? (imho and a guess.)
Graham,
Steven Janicki wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I
> have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures,
> etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states
> and thus I don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in
> person. My remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the
> airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor
> I measure my head at 38". My weight is 210 lbs.
> Thank's in advance for your help!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven
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| Subject: | Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Hi Steve - I'm 6"1" and 215 lbs, long torso and fairly wide shoulders and
am fairly comfortable
for up to 2 hrs. Not a lot of extra room to move around. I would like to
move the rudder
pedals forward a couple inches sometime but the rudder is really not needed
in flight so you
can stretch out one foot at a time between the pedals. My left shoulder is
pushing against
the door frame somewhat but is mostly below it. I will do the shoulder
width mod sometime
as well. I did the LA mod that lets you scoot towards the tunnel a bit to
get away from the
door frame but I really don't notice any discomfort for 2 hrs. I reduced
the back seat pad to
one inch foam and only use the one shaped butt pad not the 2nd flat pad.
If your thighs are much bigger than mine, the stick movement at the flare
can be limited.
I can just hit the aileron stop both ways if I press into my thigh slightly.
I do caution my
passenger to put their right foot between the rudder pedals for landing so
as not to limit
right aileron travel in the flare but it has never been a problem. I have
about an inch of
headroom. Hope this helps - good luck!
Glenn
>From: Steven Janicki <mmesa005@yahoo.com>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the
>group
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:27:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hello All,
>
>I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I have
>corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures, etc,
>everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states and thus I
>don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in person. My
>remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the airplane. I am 6',
>tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor I measure my head at
>38". My weight is 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mail
>list as well as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about
>max height for comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from
>current flyers / builders.
>
>I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat bottom to
>top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of recline the
>seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some measurements against
>and get a better approximation as to how much room there is in the cockpit.
>Anyone have these or can point me to a source?
>
>My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the same
>amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live in Northern
>California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or in the Bay Area
>building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the opportunity to try
>the airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's in the area?
>
>I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with a
>great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in the
>airplane comfortably!
>
>Thank's in advance for your help!
>
>Regards,
>
>Steven
>
>
>______________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for |
Steven,
You have hit on a very sensitive subject for me. I am 6' 4" 260lbs and the
biggest Europa pilot I know personally. After I mostly finished my airframe
and before I purchased firewall forward and instruments, I decide to spend some
quality time in the left seat with John at Europa (DUH?). I quickly decided
to sell my project and start building a C-130 Hercules. After Getting a price
on the C-130, I decided to try to make my Europa fit. I made many mods to
help work it out so don't think just because I fit in mine you will fit in any
Europa. The two areas of easiest manipulation are the lumbar support and the
seat cushion thickness. I am 39" from ass in seat to the top of my head. The
Europa with no cushion is 37" straight up. A thick lumbar will push your lower
body forward giving more head room; that is until your knees hit the panel.
While sitting, from the bottom of my shoes to my back as it rest on the seat
is 51". I moved my rudder pedals 1" forward. I a
lso trashed the mono wheel and elected for the conventional gear. This allowed
me to cut some relief into the console and move my body more toward the center
highest part of the canopy (whew). I use 1" thick temper-foam for a seat cushion
and fit well enough to be comfortable for 3 hours. So I would surmise if
you measure 50" or less from bottom of shoe to your back while seated and 38"
or less from ass to head top while seated you will be at least as comfortable
as I am. I every other way this is the best most fun aircraft for the money
I can imagine.
P.S. I almost forgot. If your looking at a Classic Europa, nothing I said matters
because the foot well is shorter.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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