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1. 07:04 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (William Harrison)
2. 08:20 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (David Joyce)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Steven Janicki)
4. 09:41 AM - Re: mono XS trailer (Mike Gamble)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Jos Okhuijsen)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: mono XS trailer (Hans Siedsma)
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Hi Steven and a provisional welcome to the Europa community. I can
add nothing to the comments on cabin space but I did want to make a
comment about another aspect. I also bought someone else's recently
completed XS (Trigear). It looked great but under the skin there were
some serious build quality problems which have taken 3 years to sort
out. So, I would advise that you take along someone who is very
familiar with the design who knows where to look and what to prod. If
that is not feasible then perhaps through this forum you could
collect everyone's list of things to look out for. At least if you
find some of these problems present you'll be able to take an
decision about whether to buy and sort it or whether to look elsewhere.
Whatever route you take to getting a well sorted Europa it will be
worth it. Performance, handling and running costs are all very good.
Best wishes
Willie
G-BZNY
On 20 Feb 2007, at 22:27, Steven Janicki wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS.
> I have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information,
> pictures, etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by
> several states and thus I don't have the option of driving over to
> see the airplane in person. My remaining concern is if I can fit
> comfortably in the airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting
> bolt upright on the floor I measure my head at 38". My weight is
> 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mail list as well
> as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about max
> height for comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from
> current flyers / builders.
>
> I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat
> bottom to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of
> recline the seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some
> measurements against and get a better approximation as to how much
> room there is in the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to
> a source?
>
> My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about
> the same amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I
> live in Northern California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone
> near me or in the Bay Area building or has a completed XS I would
> appreciate the opportunity to try the airplane on for size. Also,
> any Europa XS CFI's in the area?
>
> I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane
> with a great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need
> to fit in the airplane comfortably!
>
> Thank's in advance for your help!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven
>
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Steven I am 6-2" (but only 185 lbs) and fit comfortably in my XS. There is
the point that you need to sit with your head virtually touching the canopy
in order to maximise vis over the front, so that folk tend to build up their
upholstery to get themselves up to that point, so that trying someone else's
Europa for size only gives you the full story if you can adjust the cushion
height. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Janicki" <mmesa005@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the
group
Hello All,
I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I have
corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures, etc,
everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states and thus I
don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in person. My
remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the airplane. I am 6', tall
in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor I measure my head at 38". My
weight is 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mail list as well
as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about max height for
comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from current flyers /
builders.
I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat bottom to
top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of recline the seatback
has. Both would have been useful to make some measurements against and get a
better approximation as to how much room there is in the cockpit. Anyone
have these or can point me to a source?
My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the same
amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live in Northern
California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or in the Bay Area
building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the opportunity to try the
airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's in the area?
I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with a
great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in the
airplane comfortably!
Thank's in advance for your help!
Regards,
Steven
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Thanks to all who responded! The information regarding fit and the offer to
actually try an XS on for size are greatly appreciated! I am also glad to
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| Subject: | Re: mono XS trailer |
Hello Hans, I think we communicated some months ago re your trailer and
I was put off by it's location and perceived condition. If I was closer
then an inspection would be possible but that's
out I'm afraid. Thanks for your trouble.
Mike Gamble
Still looking
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Siedsma
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono XS trailer
I know one for sale. Let me know where you are. The trailer is in The
Netherlands.
Hans Siedsma
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 19:24
To: Europa-List@Matronics.Com
Subject: Europa-List: mono XS trailer
I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono.
If you have one for sale please email me off list with make, age,
condition and price.
Thanks
Mike Gamble
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group |
Hi Willie,
Could you please detail what the build quality problems were?
We at least would know what to look out for from your experience.
Secondly, you are in the UK, so why did the inspector pass that plane?
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
mono xs, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed, fuel system in, doors done,
windows in, filled and sanded, waiting for the painter, engine
installation, panel.
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Hi Mike,
No Problem. It is not my trailer. My fried has two. He does not need them
because his plane is now a Tri Gear. The price I understand from him is low.
Around 500 euro. It is an original Europa trailer. One has never been never
used.
Again no problem
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 18:28
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono XS trailer
Hello Hans, I think we communicated some months ago re your trailer and I
was put off by it's location and perceived condition. If I was closer then
an inspection would be possible but that's
out I'm afraid. Thanks for your trouble.
Mike Gamble
Still looking
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Siedsma
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono XS trailer
I know one for sale. Let me know where you are. The trailer is in The
Netherlands.
Hans Siedsma
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 19:24
To: Europa-List@Matronics.Com
Subject: Europa-List: mono XS trailer
I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono.
If you have one for sale please email me off list with make, age,
condition and price.
Thanks
Mike Gamble
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"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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