---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/21/07: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (William Harrison) 2. 08:20 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (David Joyce) 3. 09:22 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Steven Janicki) 4. 09:41 AM - Re: mono XS trailer (Mike Gamble) 5. 10:10 AM - Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group (Jos Okhuijsen) 6. 11:49 AM - Re: mono XS trailer (Hans Siedsma) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:58 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group Hi Steven and a provisional welcome to the Europa community. I can add nothing to the comments on cabin space but I did want to make a comment about another aspect. I also bought someone else's recently completed XS (Trigear). It looked great but under the skin there were some serious build quality problems which have taken 3 years to sort out. So, I would advise that you take along someone who is very familiar with the design who knows where to look and what to prod. If that is not feasible then perhaps through this forum you could collect everyone's list of things to look out for. At least if you find some of these problems present you'll be able to take an decision about whether to buy and sort it or whether to look elsewhere. Whatever route you take to getting a well sorted Europa it will be worth it. Performance, handling and running costs are all very good. Best wishes Willie G-BZNY On 20 Feb 2007, at 22:27, Steven Janicki wrote: > Hello All, > > I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. > I have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, > pictures, etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by > several states and thus I don't have the option of driving over to > see the airplane in person. My remaining concern is if I can fit > comfortably in the airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting > bolt upright on the floor I measure my head at 38". My weight is > 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mail list as well > as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about max > height for comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from > current flyers / builders. > > I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat > bottom to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of > recline the seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some > measurements against and get a better approximation as to how much > room there is in the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to > a source? > > My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about > the same amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I > live in Northern California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone > near me or in the Bay Area building or has a completed XS I would > appreciate the opportunity to try the airplane on for size. Also, > any Europa XS CFI's in the area? > > I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane > with a great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need > to fit in the airplane comfortably! > > Thank's in advance for your help! > > Regards, > > Steven > > Everyone is raving about _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:38 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group Steven I am 6-2" (but only 185 lbs) and fit comfortably in my XS. There is the point that you need to sit with your head virtually touching the canopy in order to maximise vis over the front, so that folk tend to build up their upholstery to get themselves up to that point, so that trying someone else's Europa for size only gives you the full story if you can adjust the cushion height. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Janicki" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group Hello All, I am considering the purchase of a completed and flying Europa XS. I have corresponded with the seller and exchanged information, pictures, etc, everything looks fine so far. We are separated by several states and thus I don't have the option of driving over to see the airplane in person. My remaining concern is if I can fit comfortably in the airplane. I am 6', tall in the torso, sitting bolt upright on the floor I measure my head at 38". My weight is 210 lbs. I have read what I could find on this e-mail list as well as the Internet and the concensus is that 6' - 6' 1" is about max height for comfort. I would appreciate any additional input from current flyers / builders. I can't find the specific measurements of the cockpit from seat bottom to top of the cockpit, nor am I able to find the amount of recline the seatback has. Both would have been useful to make some measurements against and get a better approximation as to how much room there is in the cockpit. Anyone have these or can point me to a source? My previous airplane was a Lancair 320 which appears to have about the same amount of shoulder and head room as the Europa XS? Also, I live in Northern California, Cameron Park, so if there is anyone near me or in the Bay Area building or has a completed XS I would appreciate the opportunity to try the airplane on for size. Also, any Europa XS CFI's in the area? I really admire the Europa and to me it is the ultimate airplane with a great balance of features and efficiency. Of course I need to fit in the airplane comfortably! Thank's in advance for your help! Regards, Steven ______________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:18 AM PST US From: Steven Janicki Subject: Europa-List: Re: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group Thanks to all who responded! The information regarding fit and the offer to actually try an XS on for size are greatly appreciated! I am also glad to see that the Europa mail list is quite active and a great resource.=0A=0AFo r the record my Lancair 320 had the original "short tail", for me having fi rst been a helicopter pilot nullified the impact of the short tail.=0A =0AR egards,=0A=0ASteven =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A =0A______________________ ______________________________________________________________=0ABored stif f? Loosen up... =0ADownload and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! G ames.=0Ahttp://games.yahoo.com/games/front ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:51 AM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono XS trailer Hello Hans, I think we communicated some months ago re your trailer and I was put off by it's location and perceived condition. If I was closer then an inspection would be possible but that's out I'm afraid. Thanks for your trouble. Mike Gamble Still looking ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Siedsma To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono XS trailer I know one for sale. Let me know where you are. The trailer is in The Netherlands. Hans Siedsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 19:24 To: Europa-List@Matronics.Com Subject: Europa-List: mono XS trailer I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono. If you have one for sale please email me off list with make, age, condition and price. Thanks Mike Gamble href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Perspective Europa XS purchase - Questions for the group From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Willie, Could you please detail what the build quality problems were? We at least would know what to look out for from your experience. Secondly, you are in the UK, so why did the inspector pass that plane? Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 mono xs, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed, fuel system in, doors done, windows in, filled and sanded, waiting for the painter, engine installation, panel. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:38 AM PST US From: "Hans Siedsma" Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono XS trailer Hi Mike, No Problem. It is not my trailer. My fried has two. He does not need them because his plane is now a Tri Gear. The price I understand from him is low. Around 500 euro. It is an original Europa trailer. One has never been never used. Again no problem Hans -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 18:28 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono XS trailer Hello Hans, I think we communicated some months ago re your trailer and I was put off by it's location and perceived condition. If I was closer then an inspection would be possible but that's out I'm afraid. Thanks for your trouble. Mike Gamble Still looking ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Siedsma To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono XS trailer I know one for sale. Let me know where you are. The trailer is in The Netherlands. Hans Siedsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gamble Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 19:24 To: Europa-List@Matronics.Com Subject: Europa-List: mono XS trailer I'm still looking for a trailer for my XS mono. If you have one for sale please email me off list with make, age, condition and price. 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