---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/27/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:50 AM - Flying to the UK (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=) 2. 04:50 AM - Re: a bit off topic- Bugatti Veyron - At Top Speed (Paul Sweeting) 3. 06:01 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (Gilles Thesee) 4. 07:13 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (Mike Gregory) 5. 07:36 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (Gilles Thesee) 6. 07:37 AM - Re: 81EU (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 7. 09:12 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (John Dean) 8. 11:01 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (Mike Gregory) 9. 11:47 AM - Re: Flying to the UK (Gilles Thesee) 10. 02:19 PM - Forgive me...... (Fergus Kyle) 11. 02:25 PM - Re: Forgive me...... (Gilles Thesee) 12. 06:26 PM - Sun N Fun (Steve Crimm) 13. 07:32 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Alan Burrows) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:23 AM PST US From: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?= Subject: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Salut Gilles, I have flown my Europa to the UK many times without problems. But CAP455 / AN52 is an all new CAA requirement dated September 2006 which replaces previous rules. It says that any one which does not comply is liable for prosecution. Remi Rmi Guerner a crit : > > Up to now, no exemption was necessary for homebuilts. This was based > on reciprocal agreements such as: the French authorities recognize PFA > aircraft and allow them to fly to France without prior permission, > then the UK authorities do the same with French homebuits. Same thing > between most European countries (Spain and Italy are still exceptions > to this reasonable rule, as far as I know). > > > > Having to apply for an exemption before each visit to the UK will be > another burden (added to high landing fees and the typical British > weather!) and will contribute to dissuade most of us to fly to the UK. > What a pity! > > > Rmi, You don't need to ask in the European Community. Further, when you ask a permission that is not needed, you put the "bureaucrat" in front of you in a position to say no. And then he'll ask his boss, who won't know and ask his own boss, etc... Many French MCRs regularly go to Britain without any problem. > "Recommendation TNT. S11-1 of the European-Civil Aviation Conference > (ECAC), > > adopted at the eleventh Intermediate Session of ECAC in June 1980 states: > > > > That Member States accept home-built aircraft with a Certificate of > > Airworthiness or a Permit to Fly issued by another Member State, to fly in > > their country without any restrictions other than those stated in the > > Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly. > > > > > > 2 All ECAC Member States agreed to the recommendation and, in October > > 1984, CAA implemented it on behalf of the United Kingdom by issuing an > > Exemption, in the terms set out in Issue 1 of this Airworthiness Notice, > > from compliance with the appropriate provisions of the Air Navigation Order > > relating to Certificates of Airworthiness." Hope this helps, Amicalement, Gilles, ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:01 AM PST US From: "Paul Sweeting" Subject: RE: Europa-List: a bit off topic- Bugatti Veyron - At Top Speed Paul, The Bugatti Veyron has been featured heavily on the British BBC television programme Top Gear HYPERLINK "http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/"http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ they have raced the Veyron against a Cessna 182 from Italy back to the UK across France and the Bugatti won! HYPERLINK "http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/mediaplayer/consoles/topgear/bb_rm_console. sht ml?nbram=1&bbram=1&tab=1"http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/mediaplayer/c onsoles/t opgear/bb_rm_console.shtml?nbram=1&bbram=1&tab=1# Admittedly the Cessna was being flown by one of the programme presenters who=92s nickname is Captain Slow! Richard Hammond one of the presenters recently had the worlds fastest car crash after suffering a blow out in a jet powered car, although they haven=92t put it in the Guinness book of records because it couldn=92t be repeated in the opposite direction. This week they are firing a rocket with a Robin Reliant Car strapped to it. Cheers Paul. _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Sent: 27 February 2007 06:12 Subject: Europa-List: a bit off topic- Bugatti Veyron - At Top Speed Hi Folks; This is a bit off topic but worth every moment you spend downloading it. I believe this is the fastest production automobile in the world... Meet the Bugatti Veyron! It costs $1.4 Million Dollars!! It has a 16 Cylinder Engine making 1001 Horsepower!!! It has a theoretical Top Speed of 407 KPH or 254 MPH!!!! Click on the link below to watch it from the inside out actually doing that speed for the very first time!!!!! This is one of the most astounding videos I have ever watched , so make sure watch it in =93full screen=94 with your volume turned UP. They are only building 40 of these monsters and there is a 1 =BD year waiting list after you put a $250K deposit down. So , order early , and ENJOY THE SHOW!!!!! Link is beneath the photo. Paul Boulet, N914PB HYPERLINK "http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed" \nhttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed HYPERLINK "http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id-251" \n -- = -- 25/02/2007 15:16 -- 25/02/2007 15:16 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:08 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Rmi Guerner a crit : > > Salut Gilles, > > I have flown my Europa to the UK many times without problems. But > CAP455 / AN52 is an all new CAA requirement dated September 2006 > which replaces previous rules. It says that any one which does not > comply is liable for prosecution. > > Rmi, I forgot that the UK is hardly in the European Community ;-))) Seriously now, where can we have a full copy of the text you referred to ? Does it explicitly supersede the previous Exemption ? Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:46 AM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Hello Gilles, The whole of CAP455 (1.5 MB) can be downloaded free from the UK CAA web site http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP455.PDF Airworthiness Notice 52 explains that the previous block exemption for foreign home-built aircraft has been superseded by splitting the requirement into two: automatic clearance for a visit of up to 28 days may be obtained by e-mailing the completed form set out in AN 52 to a special address; visits of more than 28 days require special authorisation by the UK CAA. The intention is apparently to avoid people operating "permit" aircraft in the UK on a long-term basis without meeting the UK airworthiness standards. You are always welcome here! Mike Europa Club Safety Officer -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gilles Thesee Sent: 27 February 2007 13:59 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Rmi Guerner a crit : > > Salut Gilles, > > I have flown my Europa to the UK many times without problems. But > CAP455 / AN52 is an all new CAA requirement dated September 2006 > which replaces previous rules. It says that any one which does not > comply is liable for prosecution. > > Rmi, I forgot that the UK is hardly in the European Community ;-))) Seriously now, where can we have a full copy of the text you referred to ? Does it explicitly supersede the previous Exemption ? Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Mike Gregory a crit : > > Hello Gilles, > > The whole of CAP455 (1.5 MB) can be downloaded free from the UK CAA web site > http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP455.PDF > Airworthiness Notice 52 explains that the previous block exemption for > foreign home-built aircraft has been superseded by splitting the requirement > into two > You are always welcome here! > > Mike, Thank you for the link and your welcome. I was hoping to fly to the UK in the summer. Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 81EU From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Hi Thomas, I was very saddened to learn of the (near) lost of what I believe many of us believe is a flagship of the Europa fleet. Certainly the most traveled! At the same time I am heartened to hear you and Kim walked away We all look forward to hearing more of your flying exploits soon. Regards, Ira ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:19 AM PST US From: "John Dean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK According to my reading of AN52 it says that foreign registered homebuilts must apply for permission to fly in the UK but Appendix 1 exempts EC homebuilts from the need to do so providing they comply with a few conditions as follows:- (a) The aircraft shall not be flown over any assembly of persons or over any congested area of a city, town or settlement. (b) The aircraft shall not be flown for the purpose of public transport or aerial work. (c) The aircraft shall be flown only in accordance with daytime Visual Flight Rules. (d) The conditions, limitations and restrictions applicable under the Permit to Fly or equivalent document issued by the State of Registry shall be observed. (e) The aircraft shall not remain in the United Kingdom pursuant to this exemption for more than 28 days in any one calendar year. (f) Prior to each visit to the UK, the aircraft owner shall provide to the CAA the information specified in Schedule 1 to this exemption. (g) The owner of the aircraft shall ensure that the documents specified in Schedule 2 to this exemption are available for inspection by the CAA on demand when the aircraft is in the UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gregory" Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying to the UK > > Hello Gilles, > > The whole of CAP455 (1.5 MB) can be downloaded free from the UK CAA web > site > http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP455.PDF > Airworthiness Notice 52 explains that the previous block exemption for > foreign home-built aircraft has been superseded by splitting the > requirement > into two: automatic clearance for a visit of up to 28 days may be obtained > by e-mailing the completed form set out in AN 52 to a special address; > visits of more than 28 days require special authorisation by the UK CAA. > The intention is apparently to avoid people operating "permit" aircraft in > the UK on a long-term basis without meeting the UK airworthiness > standards. > > You are always welcome here! > > Mike > Europa Club Safety Officer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gilles Thesee > Sent: 27 February 2007 13:59 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK > > > > Rmi Guerner a crit : >> >> Salut Gilles, >> >> I have flown my Europa to the UK many times without problems. But >> CAP455 / AN52 is an all new CAA requirement dated September 2006 >> which replaces previous rules. It says that any one which does not >> comply is liable for prosecution. >> >> > > Rmi, > > I forgot that the UK is hardly in the European Community ;-))) > Seriously now, where can we have a full copy of the text you referred to ? > Does it explicitly supersede the previous Exemption ? > > Regards, > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:54 AM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Exactly so, John. For visits of up to 28 days, the information on an EC registered homebuilt must be supplied in accordance with (f) to be exempt from making an application to the CAA. This is what I loosely referred to as "automatic clearance". It is just a matter of completing the AN 52 form and e-mailing it to an52exemption@srg.caa.co.uk to receive an automatic reply that is the authority for the visit. Alternatively, the completed form could be sent to the UK CAA by post. I accept that what is being done here is providing information to the CAA to comply with the exemption conditions, rather than applying for permission to fly in the UK, but it still means that the CAA requirement must be fulfilled by taking action in advance for each and every visit. This is not quite the same as having carte blanche to fly to the UK without prior notification. Regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dean Sent: 27 February 2007 17:11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK According to my reading of AN52 it says that foreign registered homebuilts must apply for permission to fly in the UK but Appendix 1 exempts EC homebuilts from the need to do so providing they comply with a few conditions as follows:- (a) The aircraft shall not be flown over any assembly of persons or over any congested area of a city, town or settlement. (b) The aircraft shall not be flown for the purpose of public transport or aerial work. (c) The aircraft shall be flown only in accordance with daytime Visual Flight Rules. (d) The conditions, limitations and restrictions applicable under the Permit to Fly or equivalent document issued by the State of Registry shall be observed. (e) The aircraft shall not remain in the United Kingdom pursuant to this exemption for more than 28 days in any one calendar year. (f) Prior to each visit to the UK, the aircraft owner shall provide to the CAA the information specified in Schedule 1 to this exemption. (g) The owner of the aircraft shall ensure that the documents specified in Schedule 2 to this exemption are available for inspection by the CAA on demand when the aircraft is in the UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gregory" Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying to the UK > > Hello Gilles, > > The whole of CAP455 (1.5 MB) can be downloaded free from the UK CAA web > site > http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP455.PDF > Airworthiness Notice 52 explains that the previous block exemption for > foreign home-built aircraft has been superseded by splitting the > requirement > into two: automatic clearance for a visit of up to 28 days may be obtained > by e-mailing the completed form set out in AN 52 to a special address; > visits of more than 28 days require special authorisation by the UK CAA. > The intention is apparently to avoid people operating "permit" aircraft in > the UK on a long-term basis without meeting the UK airworthiness > standards. > > You are always welcome here! > > Mike > Europa Club Safety Officer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gilles Thesee > Sent: 27 February 2007 13:59 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK > > > > Rmi Guerner a crit : >> >> Salut Gilles, >> >> I have flown my Europa to the UK many times without problems. But >> CAP455 / AN52 is an all new CAA requirement dated September 2006 >> which replaces previous rules. It says that any one which does not >> comply is liable for prosecution. >> >> > > Rmi, > > I forgot that the UK is hardly in the European Community ;-))) > Seriously now, where can we have a full copy of the text you referred to ? > Does it explicitly supersede the previous Exemption ? > > Regards, > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:09 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to the UK Mike Gregory a crit : > This is not quite the > same as having carte blanche to fly to the UK without prior notification. > You bet ! Some of my buddies report flying to many European countries without anything but a flight plan. I'm wondering if the French Aviation Civile also revoked the 1980 agreement ? Or is it only the UK ? Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:33 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Forgive me...... .......as I lose track from time to time. TOPIC: There was some discussion regarding the BandC model SD-20s alternator attached to a Rotax 914 and the difficulty of pressure on the gearing......... This is news to Tim at BandC so before ordering same (I NEED the amps...), I thought to discuss this. If you or a loved one near you is experienced in this field, I would appreciate a short treatise on any difficulty encountered. Cheers Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:16 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Forgive me...... Fergus Kyle a crit : > the difficulty of pressure on the gearing......... > Fergus, What do you mean ? Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:39 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun I am planning on being at Sun N Fun on the 21st and 22nd arriving by car. With that said who is planning on going to Sun N Fun and when? Steve N42AH For Sale www.stephenscott.com/Europa ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:13 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sun N Fun Hi Steve Kate and I will be there hopefully with the aircraft, if we caqn get through the registration and inspection process in time. Nigel Harrison is coming over from New Zealand also. We were wondering if anyone wants to come up to Spruce Creek for a BBQ sometime during the Sun n Fun week? Alan _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: 28 February 2007 02:14 Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun I am planning on being at Sun N Fun on the 21st and 22nd arriving by car. With that said who is planning on going to Sun N Fun and when? 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