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1. 12:55 AM - Re: landing gear build order (Graham Singleton)
2. 09:19 AM - Re: a bit off topic- Bugatti Veyron - At Top Speed (flyingphil2)
3. 10:26 AM - Reamer for Mod 72 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: Re. mono gear collapse (Simon Smith)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
6. 11:40 AM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (Graham Singleton)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (brianelong)
8. 11:47 AM - test for debris (Jos Okhuijsen)
9. 12:06 PM - Re: Re. mono gear collapse (Raimo Toivio)
10. 12:38 PM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (R.C.Harrison)
12. 02:34 PM - Re: Reamer for Mod 72 (Graham Singleton)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: test for debris (Steve Pitt)
14. 03:43 PM - Re: Re. mono gear collapse (karelvranken)
15. 04:04 PM - Re: Re. mono gear collapse (karelvranken)
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear build order |
No one ever found out because the tail had no ears!
G
NevEyre@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 05/03/2007 21:21:34 GMT Standard Time,
> grahamsingleton@btinternet.com writes:
>
> William
> imho its the legs, and its a tension strut btw. At very high angles of
> attack the load pulls the wings forward. I found that hard to believe
> too but it's true. It was first realized when an early glass glider
> clapped its wings in a high G pullup and they clapped in front of the
> pilots eyes. He survived to tell the tail.
> Graham
>
> Hi Graham, after he survived to tell the tale, what was it he told the
> tail ?
> Cheers,
> Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: a bit off topic- Bugatti Veyron - At Top Speed |
Power is nothing without control ..............!
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| Subject: | Reamer for Mod 72 |
Good Day All,
I just received the two metal tubes that I will insert into my upper engine
mounts for my XS. I believe that I read in one of the past emails that some
folks here in the USA have offered to loan out their 16.5 mm reamer to keep
others from having to buy one just for this one task. Is that offer still
available? I am in Northern Calif and can accomplish the task the same day I
receive the reamer and can forward it or return it as needed.
Has anyone thought about maybe putting together a little kit consisting of
the reamer, a small amount of ACF50, and etch primer paint that could be
circulated to members that might need it. Just a thought.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re. mono gear collapse |
Sorry! I see what you are getting at now.
Simon
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: 06 March 2007 00:54
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse
Simon,
You must compare BOTH photos. The frame was in the same position on the
bench when both were taken.
The frame was resting on the engine mounts but the purpose of photos was to
show the relationship between the stops and the housing for the shaft that
ties the LG08 's. A line drawn between the two stops was not parallel to
the axis of the shaft. Believe me, the stops were NOT correct.
Anyway, my frame is a Classic one and as such does not have offset engine
mounts AFAIK.
Regards
Kingsley
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 3:30 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse
Kingsley,
In those photos the mount is resting on the engine mounting points. These
are offset toward the starboard side of the aircraft. I suspect that the
"error" that you found is supposed to be there.
Simon
G-BZTN
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer for Mod 72 |
Mike-
I will shortly be in the same fix. I just did a web search and found a 16.5 MM
reamer at Machine Shop Discount supply for $ 26.85. For that price, it may just
be worth buying one.
BTW, also doing a Jab. 3300, tri gear.
Jim A-283
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From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I just received the two metal tubes that I will insert into my upper engine mounts
for my XS. I believe that I read in one of the past emails that some folks
here in the USA have offered to loan out their 16.5 mm reamer to keep others
from having to buy one just for this one task. Is that offer still available?
I am in Northern Calif and can accomplish the task the same day I receive the
reamer and can forward it or return it as needed.
Has anyone thought about maybe putting together a little kit consisting of the
reamer, a small amount of ACF50, and etch primer paint that could be circulated
to members that might need it. Just a thought.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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<DIV>I will shortly be in the same fix. I just did a web search and found
a 16.5 MM reamer at Machine Shop Discount supply for $ 26.85. For that
price, it may just be worth buying one. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW, also doing a Jab. 3300, tri gear.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim A-283</DIV>
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<DIV>I just received the two metal tubes that I will insert into my upper engine
mounts for my XS. I believe that I read in one of the past emails that some
folks here in the USA have offered to loan out their 16.5 mm reamer to keep others
from having to buy one just for this one task. Is that offer still available?
I am in Northern Calif and can accomplish the task the same day I receive
the reamer and can forward it or return it as needed. </DIV>
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<DIV>Has anyone thought about maybe putting together a little kit consisting of
the reamer, a small amount of ACF50, and etch primer paint that could be circulated
to members that might need it. Just a thought.
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer for Mod 72 |
All
has anyone managed to cool a Jab 3300 properly yet? I know a couple who
haven't but it can only be a matter of persuading the cooling air to go
through the fins I suspect?
Graham
jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> Mike-
>
> I will shortly be in the same fix. I just did a web search and found a
> 16.5 MM reamer at Machine Shop Discount supply for $ 26.85. For that
> price, it may just be worth buying one.
>
> BTW, also doing a Jab. 3300, tri gear.
>
> Jim A-283
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer for Mod 72 |
I have the reamer, be glad to share. Waiting on tubes.
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Somebody i told i was going to run the pumps while carrying the plane on a
trailer to get possible debris out of the tank wanted to hear the results.
Who can make longer sentences :-) The transport was over 40 miles of icy
roads, and was moving around quite a bit. Duration about one hour. Anyhow
the result was an almost nothing. Found some aluminium dust, most likely
remains from the pipe cutter and or flange tool, a flinter of the
electrical tape i used to close off the openings of the tank before the
fittings went on, and a small part of what probably was a leave. 99.99% of
the gascolater screen was free. No tank cutting debris at all! Is that
still due, or was washing all out with soapy water that efficient?
Second answer due: There is a dry head on the pump in my installation, and
we were interested to know how much time it takes to pick up fuel, if
switching from a dry mains to reserve. I timed it to be about 2 seconds.
Can somebody survive 2 seconds of heart beats missing?
Kind regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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mono xs, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed, fuel system in, doors
done, windows in, filled and sanded, waiting for the painter, engine
installation, panel.
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| Subject: | Re: Re. mono gear collapse |
MessageAll,
Is there any mono flying with fixed main gear
but adjustable /moveable flaps /outriggers?
If so, what is the penalty (speed, handling)?
Just a thought. Personally I will definetely not try it.
Retractable main gear was one of my main
reason to build Europa MW - I like it.
Geometrical lock is safe - if it is there and w/o play.
Regards, Raimo
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37500 Lempaala
Finland
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer for Mod 72 |
Graham-
Andy is marketing his own FWF kit for the 3300 and the comments I have heard are
very good. I think Flight Crafters has installed several quite successfully.
Jim - A-283
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From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
>
> All
> has anyone managed to cool a Jab 3300 properly yet? I know a couple who
> haven't but it can only be a matter of persuading the cooling air to go
> through the fins I suspect?
> Graham
>
> jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> > Mike-
> >
> > I will shortly be in the same fix. I just did a web search and found a
> > 16.5 MM reamer at Machine Shop Discount supply for $ 26.85. For that
> > price, it may just be worth buying one.
> >
> > BTW, also doing a Jab. 3300, tri gear.
> >
> > Jim A-283
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Andy is marketing his own FWF kit for the 3300 and the comments I have heard
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<DIV>Jim - A-283</DIV>
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| Subject: | Reamer for Mod 72 |
Graham,
Like Tommy Cooper said "Just like that ", took me 6b.... years of
fannying about and the last flight was the most uniform across all 6
cylinders.... then the bloody nose wheel fell off !
Yes in principle you are correct "persuading " is near the mark but you
missed the last sentence......"and having enough left to cool No's 5 and
6!"
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 06 March 2007 19:39
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reamer for Mod 72
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
All
has anyone managed to cool a Jab 3300 properly yet? I know a couple who
haven't but it can only be a matter of persuading the cooling air to go
through the fins I suspect?
Graham
jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> Mike-
>
> I will shortly be in the same fix. I just did a web search and found
a
> 16.5 MM reamer at Machine Shop Discount supply for $ 26.85. For that
> price, it may just be worth buying one.
>
> BTW, also doing a Jab. 3300, tri gear.
>
> Jim A-283
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer for Mod 72 |
Thanks Jim
There are some guys who bought one with no involvement in the build and
I hear that the rate of climb is only 300 fpm and it overheats at that.
Something badly wrong there. I'll chase up Flightcrafters if they
approach me for help.
AFAIK there is only one successful Jab Europa over here.
Graham
jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> Graham-
>
> Andy is marketing his own FWF kit for the 3300 and the comments I have
> heard are very good. I think Flight Crafters has installed several
> quite successfully.
>
> Jim - A-283
>
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| Subject: | Re: test for debris |
Jos
Interested to read your thread on debris in the tank. I thought I had been
carefully keeping my tank sealed and even filling it , emptying it several
times and only filling through a purpose made aircraft fuel filter (which
certainly shows up water if any is present).
My aircraft engine has now run approx 17 hours and flown for about 14 hours
including the testing and stalls etc since. I have done about 30 landings
and after all that I am still changing my filters every flight and still
picking up debris (although the latest run was almost clean.
I understand from many that this is a common problem with the fuel tank and
other than frustrating and nerve wracking is all part of the early life of
the aircraft.
On changing tanks the fuel pump seems to cope immediately but I do always
make sure that the reserve filter has fuel in when I do the preflight
checks.
Regards
Steve Pitt G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: Re. mono gear collapse |
Message Hi Kingsley and all,
I made the same measurements as you did with the same
results.
In my logbook I entered the "optional" mod 51 strut
application on februari 2001 two years after publication. But I did it
my way.
Page two of the mod begins: The strut will not be
absolutely straight but its sideways flexibility will allow this. I
thought not to allow any flexibility at all. Neither
the bending of the lower part of the landing gear lever could ever
receive my green to go. Last but not least
the moment arm to tranfer the moving forces to the three AN4 bolts
seemed to me to long even with the proposed strut. The mecanism
has also to work when the supporting bungee eventualy fails;
and then friction forces are great.
In attachment a raw outline of my strut mod. Of the same
alloy I made it in one flat plane. The problems that further occured
were easily solved. a) The shaft moved 1,5
cm outwards to accept the lever without bending. In the cockpit module
this was a problem for the incurved swell for big
thighs. But since I never had them big, at my age I could easily make
the choice and modified the cockpit module, not yet
installed. By eliminating the curve I had a beautifull flat surface as
well horizontal as vertical and believe me certainly as strong as it
was before, because the way it was made was for people who
never will look how it was done.
b) I remarked by visiting other builders and Cranfield
and Kemble that for those building like the book; the handle to operate
the lever was only at the left side (sorry
trikers, whe are mono's). In my mod I have sufficient space left to
operate the landing gear lever in the same vertical
plane without forcing a torsion on the lever and without amputating my
little finger.
c) At the lowest end I changed the pivot pin by one 4 mm
longer without problem.
d) Finally I was lucky to notice that by fixing the
three bolts, the lever gave a light pressure inside to facilitate the
locking in the gates of the guide plate.
By trial and error I made the stuts equal to stop the
overcenter and avoided hammersledge from metal to metal. I remeber that
I was laying under my beauty pushing up and down the
gear many, many times. Believe me there was no sexual meaning at all but
I got a real satisfaction when I knew it
would perform when I would be the pilot. Meanwhile I have only 25 hours
self done from the beginning ( I am flying since
1959) and now waiting for the mod 72 and inspection at the same time.
Kingsley, I much appreciate your observations,and
forgive me if I did violence to your beautiful language, I am Flemish.
Since my pics for the modified cockpit module are not
available at the moment, I will send them when I am able to do, you will
receive them later on your personal
e-mail adres.
Greatings to down under,
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 3:30 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse
Kingsley,
In those photos the mount is resting on the engine mounting points.
These are offset toward the starboard side of the aircraft. I suspect
that the "error" that you found is supposed to be there.
Simon
G-BZTN
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| Subject: | Re: Re. mono gear collapse |
MessageDear raimo,
Don't think you are the first of thinking that it would be better. You
know that for the trikes there is an operational mode for flap setting.
But we as mono's, we need our outriggers, so we can't separate the
setting for half or full or less. But remember we made perhaps the
choice to be faster.
I really think the best Europa flyers are the mono's. The trikes are
apron exhibition and not without success.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken #447 F-PKRL
From: Raimo Toivio
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse
All,
Is there any mono flying with fixed main gear
but adjustable /moveable flaps /outriggers?
If so, what is the penalty (speed, handling)?
Just a thought. Personally I will definetely not try it.
Retractable main gear was one of my main
reason to build Europa MW - I like it.
Geometrical lock is safe - if it is there and w/o play.
Regards, Raimo
===========
Raimo M W Toivio
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel +358 3 3753 777
fax +358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
OH-CVK
OH-BLL
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