---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/07/07: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Separate u/c outriggers and flaps (Justin Kennedy) 2. 03:02 AM - Re: Re. mono gear collapse (Raimo Toivio) 3. 03:06 AM - Re: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps (Raimo Toivio) 4. 07:02 AM - Cool running Jab (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 5. 10:59 AM - Re: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps (Graham Singleton) 6. 01:24 PM - Re: Cool running Jab (DuaneFamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps From: "Justin Kennedy" Hi All You ask if anyone can lower outriggers separately. I have a mono with flaps and outriggers that go down separately. The outriggers are electric and each have there own screw jack mechanism. The flaps are also electric. The outriggers are linked to the u/c in that they start to go down when the undercarriage is lowered. They also start to retract when the u/c is retracted. This link was a really sensible suggestion from Francis Donaldson PFA. However I can over ride the mechanism and put the outriggers down when everything is retracted. My original thinking was that this would act as a break when trying to slow a slippery aircraft. In this I was wrong. When the outriggers are down on there own they make only a wee bit of difference in the cruise, around half a knot at 130 kts. This is much less than I had expected. My outriggers do not have spats yet though I am about to do this. Incidentally I have a whole panel of LEDs to tell me what state everything all these things are in. On final I check for five greens. I do like lots of lights. Justin Kennedy Edinburgh G-ZTED Classic Mono 912S Airmaster Prop 87 hours ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:58 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse MessageDear Karel, You can be sure I do understand we need outriggers (and full flaps) when on the ground! I meant the moment before landing, it could be possible to have graduated flaps. Let is say 10 degrees during downwind, 20 degrees during basic and finally all 27 degrees when landing...that was my point. I do like my Cessna=B4s adjustable flaps. Raimo ==== ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse Dear raimo, Don't think you are the first of thinking that it would be better. You know that for the trikes there is an operational mode for flap setting. But we as mono's, we need our outriggers, so we can't separate the setting for half or full or less. But remember we made perhaps the choice to be faster. I really think the best Europa flyers are the mono's. The trikes are apron exhibition and not without success. Best regards, Karel Vranken #447 F-PKRL From: Raimo Toivio To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re. mono gear collapse All, Is there any mono flying with fixed main gear but adjustable /moveable flaps /outriggers? If so, what is the penalty (speed, handling)? Just a thought. Personally I will definetely not try it. Retractable main gear was one of my main reason to build Europa MW - I like it. Geometrical lock is safe - if it is there and w/o play. Regards, Raimo =========== Raimo M W Toivio 37500 Lempaala Finland tel +358 3 3753 777 fax +358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 OH-CVK OH-BLL OH-XRT #417 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter0 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd.Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:00 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps Justin, that is something, wau! I do really respect your configuration. Your flap motor - I assume you have one for both flaps and it is located inside the fuselage. Maybe you are planning also electric air brake to slow your slippery G-ZTED?! Wishes, Raimo PS: could you please send me some pics? ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Kennedy To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: Europa-List: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps Hi All You ask if anyone can lower outriggers separately. I have a mono with flaps and outriggers that go down separately. The outriggers are electric and each have there own screw jack mechanism. The flaps are also electric. The outriggers are linked to the u/c in that they start to go down when the undercarriage is lowered. They also start to retract when the u/c is retracted. This link was a really sensible suggestion from Francis Donaldson PFA. However I can over ride the mechanism and put the outriggers down when everything is retracted. My original thinking was that this would act as a break when trying to slow a slippery aircraft. In this I was wrong. When the outriggers are down on there own they make only a wee bit of difference in the cruise, around half a knot at 130 kts. This is much less than I had expected. My outriggers do not have spats yet though I am about to do this. Incidentally I have a whole panel of LEDs to tell me what state everything all these things are in. On final I check for five greens. I do like lots of lights. Justin Kennedy Edinburgh G-ZTED Classic Mono 912S Airmaster Prop 87 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:19 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Cool running Jab In a message dated 3/7/2007 2:59:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: All has anyone managed to cool a Jab 3300 properly yet? I know a couple who haven't but it can only be a matter of persuading the cooling air to go through the fins I suspect? Graham Hey Graham, N245E has a cool running 3300 installed. It didn't start out that way, but I've arrived at a combo that seems to work quite well. I'm very pleased with it! I'd be happy to share what it took to get there if you are interested. I'm currently in Colorado and away from my main computer. If you can wait a couple of days until I return I'd be happy to flood your inbox with photo's of my installation. One thing that is probably different on mine is I used the Suncoast Sportplanes FWF. I think most of the folks who are having overheating issues on Jab powered Europa's are using the stock Jab cowls. Suncoast's cowls use round intakes. The Jab factory cowls I've seen use "D" shaped intakes and that turbulates the intake airflow at high angles of attack. The result is overheating at high angles of attack, i.e., climb out. Contact me off list and I'll load you up when I get back to Tennessee. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying - 90 hours


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:05 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Separate u/c outriggers and flaps Raimo Justin's Europa is outstanding , in several ways. You should copy it, especially the wing root fillets, door struts and undercarriage retract lever. Graham Raimo Toivio wrote: > Justin, > > that is something, wau! > They also start to retract when the u/c is retracted. This > link was a really sensible suggestion from Francis Donaldson PFA. > However I can over ride the mechanism and put the outriggers down > when everything is retracted. > > Justin Kennedy > > Edinburgh > > G-ZTED Classic Mono 912S Airmaster Prop > > 87 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:24 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cool running Jab Hi John, Since I'm installing the Jab3300A also, I would appreciate it if you could add my name to the "To" list when you send out these pix. I have the SunCoast FWF kit but I want to make sure I use all the tried and true methods that those successful people before me have come up with. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop


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