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1. 10:06 AM - Re: aileron trim (SteveD)
2. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: aileron trim (William Daniell)
3. 11:00 AM - A198 Monowheel Over Center stats & anybody flying with the gear down and locked? ()
4. 11:50 AM - Europa Group (Carl Pattinson)
5. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: aileron trim (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 12:56 PM - Aileron Trim (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 04:00 PM - What is this important piece of Europa build? ()
8. 05:14 PM - Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? (SPurpura@aol.com)
9. 06:02 PM - mono wheel gear lock down (Ralph Hallett)
10. 06:23 PM - Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 06:24 PM - Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
12. 06:35 PM - Re: A198 Monowheel Over Center stats & anybody flying with the gear down and locked? (FlyHummel)
13. 07:21 PM - Paint (Troy Maynor)
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim |
If you look at:
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
Page 2
There are some photos of a model servo install.
Sadly WileE and Cliff are no longer with us.
Also go to:
http://www.sarangan.org/europa_forum/2007-03/index.html
and search for aileron balance, aileron flutter, aileron servo
tons of info there.
Chat Later,
Steved
Kit A210 was unloaded off the truck yesterday. I did somewhat of an inventory
and notice that the aileron had a trim tab cut out from the aileron. I found
a box with R.C. Allen trim type control, but it looks like model aircraft type
stuff. I could find no directions and called the old owner. He said that he
copied it from another Eupora. Does anybody have any ideals on this MOD?
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim |
What happened to Cliff? Did I miss something?
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteveD
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:03
Subject: Europa-List: Re: aileron trim
If you look at:
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
Page 2
There are some photos of a model servo install.
Sadly WileE and Cliff are no longer with us.
Also go to:
http://www.sarangan.org/europa_forum/2007-03/index.html
and search for aileron balance, aileron flutter, aileron servo
tons of info there.
Chat Later,
Steved
Kit A210 was unloaded off the truck yesterday. I did somewhat of an
inventory and notice that the aileron had a trim tab cut out from the
aileron. I found a box with R.C. Allen trim type control, but it looks like
model aircraft type stuff. I could find no directions and called the old
owner. He said that he copied it from another Eupora. Does anybody have
any ideals on this MOD?
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | A198 Monowheel Over Center stats & anybody flying with the |
gear down and locked?
This weekend I too the time to disassemble my mono gear which had been
assembled a few years ago. I took some measurements.
Using feeler gauges, one Port swing arm was .055" away from seating when the
Starboard leg was against the stop. Doing the Trig, after grinding this
down to equal seating, this provided .8 degree improvement in Over Center
condition.
Allowing for the taper of approximately 4 degrees in the swing arm,
measuring with a balance protractor against the arm and then the shock
absorber - hanging straight down, the over center condition is now 2.31
degrees. I have not measured yet with the gear reattached, but assume this
will improve slightly.
The corollary of the above is that the original position before grinding was
1.51 degrees. This is virtually nothing.
Studying the design, if the shock absorbers were not dampening well in the
reverse direction, a smack of the wheel against the ground and bounce up,
would allow the rubber block to snap the gear down quickly, and pop out the
over center of 1.5 degrees if there were any slop or bending in the gear
retraction lever. This is particularly worrisome, as how does one check the
performance of the shocks - pull down on the prop in the same way you check
a tri-gear's oleo? I know it's working for a lot of people, and has the
blessing of the PFA, but it sure seems marginal.
I am considering locking the gear down, (which will also improve
insurability) which is easily done in a variety of ways. Fairing this in
would be fairly easy with a large shapely fibreglass cover. I would then
operate the flaps and outriggers separately. Has anyone done this?
I guess no one knows what the speed penalty is if the gear is left down in
cruise! (Unless you cruise around with the flaps down all the time!)
Cleve Lee
A198 now in Market Harborough
... and finally getting back at it . .
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This is blatant advertising so I hope nobody minds (dont think there is
anything in the rulez that sayz you cant).
I am looking to set up a Europa Group (monowheel) based in North
Oxfordshire. Aircraft is well equipped and finished to a professional
standard - best Europa kitplane at 2005 PFA rally). It is an excellent
touring aircraft cruising at 120kts on only 15 litres of unleaded per hour.
Airframe is realistically valued at 28,500 so shares (x2) at 9,500 but am
willing to lease if you cant raise full amount (ie: 2,000 and 47 per
month).
Running costs work out at 85 pcm (including insurance/ hangarage) with an
hourly cost of 20 per hr (including fuel and engine fund).
The aircraft is hangared in a large WW2 RAF hangar and there are virtually
no restrictions on flying hours. The hangar and grass airfield is available
to owners 24hrs a day. Otherwise normal operational limitations and rules
apply (it is primarily a gliding airfield).
Ideally pilots will have 100hrs plus P1 and taildragger experience but in
any event a PFA conversion course will be required (which can be easily
arranged).
I am advertising this opportunity elsewhere (including PFA mag) so heres
your chance to grab some fast cheap flying. Only two shares will be offered
so dont delay.
Carl Pattinson - Tel: 07768 473222 or email carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk
This would suit a current EUROPA builder based in or around Oxfordshire who
needs to maintain his flying hours or get up to speed with flying the
aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: aileron trim |
Bill,
Cliff and his wife were the on final landing at Oshkosh this year when, from
witness accounts, he got low, slow and cross controlled, stalled, spun in
just short of the runway from 200 ft and both were lost. At least that is the
last I heard.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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If anyone needs the instructions that come with the Mac servos....drop me a
line. They are too big to attach to an email sent to the list.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | What is this important piece of Europa build? |
Can anyone identify the attached important piece of Europa build Mystery
photo?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? |
IT LOOKS LIKE A 2 X 4, PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
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| Subject: | mono wheel gear lock down |
For what it is worth, I've attached a photo of the safety lock I put on
my gear handle. It just seemed way to easy to raise the gear by accident
and as you can see, it would take a real effort to make a mistake. The
pin would also help prevent the accidental retraction if placed before
landing.
Hope this helps,
Ralph
Building...
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| Subject: | Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? |
Hi Ron.
I kind of looks like my attic. Only with better lighting.
Do not archive
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: What is this important piece of Europa build? |
Whatever it is... I bet SteveD adds it to his ship!
Do not archive.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: A198 Monowheel Over Center stats & anybody flying with |
the gear down and locked?
Well you have the easy part done. Now your going to have to make a
new LG12 or a new retraction lever guide plate.
Any grinding on the LG08 stops really moves things around. Your flaps
downs position will also need a look.
When I redid my stops everything was out of whack.
Chat Later,
Steved
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Hey Folks,
I know this has been talked to death but here goes anyway. I have decided I
can fill, prime, and sand til doomsday or just paint it. I think I have
gotten it reasonably smooth but have ended up with NOT a complete covering
of Polyfiber UV Smoothprime in the process. I am determined to go no further
with the sanding portion to remove anymore or put anymore on now that it is
smooth. But will someone give me a definitive formula of primers (epoxy?)
and paint combinations, including brands, potion numbers etc, that will act
as a UV blocker and give me a glossy, repairable/upgradable paint job that
can be color sanded (by someone else if desired) but not requirred, to get
the "wet look"? I hope this makes sense. I guess in a nutshell, can I get UV
protection from the finish process, not relying on a partial coat of UV
smooth prime?
What about the shop in Lakeland that did so many Europas? I know they
preferred no pre-priming at all. What products did they use? Can anyone tell
me the details of their mix? They sure made Bob Berube's plane sparkle.
Cast your vote here.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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