---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/13/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Re: Another Mod 72 complete (William Harrison) 2. 04:04 AM - Re: Another Mod 72 complete (rick) 3. 05:49 AM - Re: Another Mod 72 Complete (Robert Borger) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Flap motor (Michel AUVRAY) 5. 12:30 PM - Shoulder harness attachment complete 1 of 3 () 6. 12:31 PM - Shoulder harness attachment complete 2 of 3 () 7. 12:33 PM - Shoulder harness attachment complete 3 of 3 () 8. 06:35 PM - Re: What epoxy should I be using (SteveD) 9. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (Matt Reeves) 10. 08:30 PM - 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 1 of 2 () 11. 08:31 PM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 () 12. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 (Ralph Hallett) 13. 09:57 PM - 914 Modular Fuel System completed 1 of 2 () 14. 09:57 PM - 914 Modular Fuel System completed 2 of 2 () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:07 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another Mod 72 complete Hi Bob and everyone Is there room to do Mod 72 with the engine on a sling but still attached to its oil/coolant lines? Cheers Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 12 Mar 2007, at 22:38, rlborger wrote: > Fellow Europaphiles, > > Another Mod 72 completed. Preparing for the Mod took much longer > than performing it. Pics have been posted on my build web pages > (URL in signature block). The reamer will go off to Ron P. first. > Upon return of the reamer, I will let folks know. I'll have a > little kit consisting of reamer and a can of self-etching primer > ready to ship to the next person ready to perform the mod. I am > not including the ACF-50 as I think that everyone should have a can > of their own as it needs to be re-applied with each annual > inspection The kit will go to the first person to contact me with > a shipping address. I expect that they will let the Forum know > when they have completed Mod 72 and will pass it on. > > Good building and great flying, > Bob Borger > Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S > http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL > (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch > system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod > in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, > tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & > Main Gear complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 > Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 > Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon > Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. > Waiting on Mod 72 to resume installing the ROTAX 914. > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208 > Home: 940-497-2123 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:29 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Another Mod 72 complete No problem for me. I did mine on my Tri on Sunday and took about 4 hours including cleaning up around the bulkhead whilst the engine was forward and the exhaust off. So concentrating about the mod (and Spurs playing Chelsea) that I forgot to check my E Mails for Paddy's DOTH at Panshanger - drat. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Rick _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison Sent: 13 March 2007 09:26 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another Mod 72 complete Hi Bob and everyone Is there room to do Mod 72 with the engine on a sling but still attached to its oil/coolant lines? Cheers Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 12 Mar 2007, at 22:38, rlborger wrote: Fellow Europaphiles, Another Mod 72 completed. Preparing for the Mod took much longer than performing it. Pics have been posted on my build web pages (URL in signature block). The reamer will go off to Ron P. first. Upon return of the reamer, I will let folks know. I'll have a little kit consisting of reamer and a can of self-etching primer ready to ship to the next person ready to perform the mod. I am not including the ACF-50 as I think that everyone should have a can of their own as it needs to be re-applied with each annual inspection The kit will go to the first person to contact me with a shipping address. I expect that they will let the Forum know when they have completed Mod 72 and will pass it on. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S HYPERLINK "http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL"http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. Waiting on Mod 72 to resume installing the ROTAX 914. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List 08:41 -- 08:41 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:36 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Re: Another Mod 72 Complete Willie, I can't say if the engine can be moved forward sufficiently to perform Mod 72 while still attached to the coolant and oil plumbing. My engine was only about 1/2 installed when the Mod was announced and I elected to discontinue any further installation work until the Mod was complete. I completely removed the engine to do my work. You will need a minimum of 20 cm, perhaps as much as 25 cm (10 inches or so) to gain sufficient access to the frame to get the reamer and a wrench in there to work. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:47 AM PST US From: "Michel AUVRAY" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Flap motor Hello Simon, Is it possible that you give me the manufacturer and PN of the flap motor? Thank you Michel Auvray Builder N?145 >> 300 hours flight. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de Simon Smith Envoye : lundi 12 mars 2007 20:36 A : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: RE: Flap motor Mine has the zippy motor but the aircraft that I did my check out in was much slower. I know that I have the "old" type but what was in the other I don't know. Simon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 12 March 2007 15:43 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: RE: Flap motor Just before I shipped the aircraft over to the USA I fitted a new flap motor as the old one had died. As you would expect (with my luck). E04 had changed the design of the motor and therefore I had to re position the mountings. Because of the tight timescale for shipping. I never got a chance to flight test this motor until yesterday (yes I actually went flying..!). I notice that the new motor seems a lot slower than the original. The time from zero flap to full flaps is 17 seconds and retracting back to zero is 18 seconds. Has anyone else noticed this and is it normal with the later flap motors? Many Thanks in advance. Alan Trigear 914 N134AB (look out America its now flying..!) -- Date: 08/03/2007 10:58 -- 12/03/2007 08:41 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:41 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness attachment complete 1 of 3 From: Got a few pics of shoulder harness attachments. 4130 chrome moly tube with solid 4130 TIGed inserts Rollbar coated with hot linseed oil inside then sealed Rollbar was scuffed and wrapped like a racing bikes ram horn handlebars with 1 layer of glass and redux 3 UNI wrapped up and over rollbar back onto itself Fairing behing rollbar is combo of Q-Cel and Flox with wire poly tube in there for good measure 3 BID between Uni for download help out Rollbar ready to install was a tad under 3 pounds, unfortunate I did not weigh top of fuse before and after, but all said and done 7 to 10 pounds?? Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:35 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness attachment complete 2 of 3 From: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us said: > Got a few pics of shoulder harness attachments. > > 4130 chrome moly tube with solid 4130 TIGed inserts > > Rollbar coated with hot linseed oil inside then sealed > > Rollbar was scuffed and wrapped like a racing bikes ram horn handlebars > with 1 layer of glass and redux > > 3 UNI wrapped up and over rollbar back onto itself > > Fairing behing rollbar is combo of Q-Cel and Flox with wire poly tube in > there for good measure > > 3 BID between Uni for download help out > > Rollbar ready to install was a tad under 3 pounds, unfortunate I did not > weigh top of fuse before and after, but all said and done 7 to 10 pounds?? > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:50 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Shoulder harness attachment complete 3 of 3 From: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us said: > Got a few pics of shoulder harness attachments. > > 4130 chrome moly tube with solid 4130 TIGed inserts > > Rollbar coated with hot linseed oil inside then sealed > > Rollbar was scuffed and wrapped like a racing bikes ram horn handlebars > with 1 layer of glass and redux > > 3 UNI wrapped up and over rollbar back onto itself > > Fairing behing rollbar is combo of Q-Cel and Flox with wire poly tube in > there for good measure > > 3 BID between Uni for download help out > > Rollbar ready to install was a tad under 3 pounds, unfortunate I did not > weigh top of fuse before and after, but all said and done 7 to 10 pounds?? > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:04 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using From: "SteveD" I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands easier. Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter... Chat Later, Steved [quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"] I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way. Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place? [/quote:4c7a6c2e5b] Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:53 PM PST US From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using I DID have a nasty reaction to SafeTPoxy which was before AeroPoxy so I don't know about AeroPoxy but I DO KNOW that JEFFCO is awesome stuff. Yes, you do have to wear all the safety stuff BUT it doesn't stink hardly at all and it is almost a blue/greenish color instead of that nasty brown that looks ugly. JEFFCO has a slow and fast hardener. I recommed slow (1/2 hour) so you will have time to do what you need to before it hardens to a friggin ROCK. AWESOME stuff - I swear by it - and built an entire Lancair slow-build to prove it and NO REACTION - of course I always use long sleeves and gloves and it does sand nice with micro bubbles and cabosil but if you use flox, it is NOT so nice to sand because FLOX is not a surfacer - more of a filler. Matt Reeves Rochester, NY SteveD wrote: I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands easier. Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter... Chat Later, Steved [quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"] I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way. Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place? [/quote:4c7a6c2e5b] Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 1 of 2 From: Completed Home grown 10mm to -6 Banjo for Aeroquip 666 Teflon hose with conductive lining. The 666 is smaller OD than other -6 hoses and allows me to plumb 914 from 201B Flowscan senders under Airbrake horn, through firewall between footwell and UCMF. Made it out of 416 Stainless, replicating Aeroquips reusable fitting design. I used Aeroquip Olive and Nut. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:30 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 From: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us said: > Completed Home grown 10mm to -6 Banjo for Aeroquip 666 Teflon hose with > conductive lining. > > The 666 is smaller OD than other -6 hoses and allows me to plumb 914 from > 201B Flowscan senders under Airbrake horn, through firewall between > footwell and UCMF. > > Made it out of 416 Stainless, replicating Aeroquips reusable fitting > design. > > I used Aeroquip Olive and Nut. > > Ron Parigoris > -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:44 PM PST US From: Ralph Hallett Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 Looks like really nice work, Ralph rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us said: > > >> Completed Home grown 10mm to -6 Banjo for Aeroquip 666 Teflon hose with >> conductive lining. >> >> The 666 is smaller OD than other -6 hoses and allows me to plumb 914 from >> 201B Flowscan senders under Airbrake horn, through firewall between >> footwell and UCMF. >> >> Made it out of 416 Stainless, replicating Aeroquips reusable fitting >> design. >> >> I used Aeroquip Olive and Nut. >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 914 Modular Fuel System completed 1 of 2 From: 914 Modular Fuel System completed. Sealed box contains 2 Andiar 375 Gasculators accessible outside aft of port wing. Pleated filters on 375s have a lot more filter area compared to Andair Mini. Design is series with bypass, pump#1 can only draw through Gasculator #1. Pump#2 will draw through Gasculator #2 only if pump #1 is off, or Gasculator#1 is clogged. 2 fittings aft of Gasculator box are home grown tank water drains made from 6020 aluminium, the forward one has a restricted nipple that feeds my ground use only sight gauge. I used a lightweight sheet-metal "Franklin" clothesline pulley to make a smooth 180 degree bend. 4 bolts remove Modular Gasculator top, and 2 screws removes Modular Pumps, 1 Ways and Manifold. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:33 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 914 Modular Fuel System completed 2 of 2 From: On Wed, Mar 14, 2007, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us said: > 914 Modular Fuel System completed. > > Sealed box contains 2 Andiar 375 Gasculators accessible outside aft of > port wing. Pleated filters on 375s have a lot more filter area compared to > Andair Mini. > > Design is series with bypass, pump#1 can only draw through Gasculator #1. > > Pump#2 will draw through Gasculator #2 only if pump #1 is off, or > Gasculator#1 is clogged. > > 2 fittings aft of Gasculator box are home grown tank water drains made > from 6020 aluminium, the forward one has a restricted nipple that feeds my > ground use only sight gauge. > > I used a lightweight sheet-metal "Franklin" clothesline pulley to make a > smooth 180 degree bend. > > 4 bolts remove Modular Gasculator top, and 2 screws removes Modular Pumps, > 1 Ways and Manifold. > > Ron Parigoris > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.