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1. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (Graham Singleton)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (William Daniell)
3. 10:28 AM - Re: what epoxy to use (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 (Paul Stewart)
5. 11:11 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 ()
6. 11:11 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 ()
7. 11:12 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 ()
8. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (Graham Singleton)
9. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Re: What epoxy should I be using |
There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market
in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of
the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or
the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty
brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand
layup systems.
Graham
SteveD wrote:
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> I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural things.
I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands easier.
> Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves and
don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point enough.
After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter...
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> Chat Later,
> Steved
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> I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I have
four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of RH3660,
batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit in 2001.
I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John about
it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there some other
epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the EAA school
in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way.
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> Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place?
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Subject: | Re: What epoxy should I be using |
So the MGS is a replacement for the Aeropoxy in all applications?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 04:55
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market
in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of
the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or
the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty
brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand
layup systems.
Graham
SteveD wrote:
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> I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural
things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands
easier.
> Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves
and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point
enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter...
>
> Chat Later,
> Steved
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> [quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"]
> I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I
have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of
RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit
in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John
about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there
some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the
EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way.
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> Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place?
> [/quote:4c7a6c2e5b]
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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Subject: | Re: what epoxy to use |
Epoxy mixes are not interchangeable. Different brands have different
modulus of elasticity and other mechanical and thermal properties.
Aeropoxy is what the designers of the Europa chose and validated.
Use something else and you are totally on your own.
If you want actual information on the shelf life of a resin system, why
not
call the company directly 800-421-1518
Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 |
Ron
Very neat solution. The only other way I can find to get round it is
Speed flow (www.speedflow.co.uk) do 10mm banjo /AN fittings but the
largest is a AN-04 see attached pics. You would need to put a -o6
to 04 reducer in as well - not ideal. At present I'm planning to
stick with the standard banjo and a hose clamp.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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Subject: | Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 |
Hello Paul
I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable.
My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the
middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have
worked.
Shorter and lighter is better IMHO.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 |
Hello Paul
I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable.
My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the
middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have
worked.
Shorter and lighter is better IMHO.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 |
Hello Paul
I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable.
My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the
middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have
worked.
Shorter and lighter is better IMHO.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: What epoxy should I be using |
William
have a look at Gary Hunter's comparison list. I'm not familiar with the
US names and brands so you need to do your own research.
http://www.airheart.on.ca/index.html are the US stockist of MGS resins.
http://www.cozybuilders.org/ref_info/ check out Gary Hunter, he is the
US epoxy guru, worked in the field for 25 years and is Bruce Bahannon's
crew chief. Remember Pushy Galor? Pretty little airplane.
Graham
William Daniell wrote:
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> So the MGS is a replacement for the Aeropoxy in all applications?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 04:55
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using
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> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
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> There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market
> in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of
> the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or
> the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty
> brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand
> layup systems.
> Graham
>
> SteveD wrote:
>
>>
>>I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural
>
> things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands
> easier.
>
>>Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves
>
> and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point
> enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter...
>
>>Chat Later,
>>Steved
>>
>>[quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"]
>>I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I
>
> have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of
> RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit
> in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John
> about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there
> some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the
> EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way.
>
>>Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place?
>>[/quote:4c7a6c2e5b]
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>>Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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Subject: | Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 |
Ron...you're quite a "hacker"!
Fred
do not archive
On Wednesday, March 14, 2007, at 10:10 AM,
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
> You can see the
> middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have
> worked.
>
> Shorter and lighter is better IMHO.
>
> Ron Parigoris
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> <@2 Middle was mock up for -6 adapter.JPG>
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