---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/14/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (Graham Singleton) 2. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (William Daniell) 3. 10:28 AM - Re: what epoxy to use (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 4. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 (Paul Stewart) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 () 6. 11:11 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 () 7. 11:12 AM - Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 () 8. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: What epoxy should I be using (Graham Singleton) 9. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:31 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand layup systems. Graham SteveD wrote: > > I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands easier. > Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter... > > Chat Later, > Steved > > [quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"] > I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way. > > Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place? > [/quote:4c7a6c2e5b] > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:46 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using So the MGS is a replacement for the Aeropoxy in all applications? -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 04:55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand layup systems. Graham SteveD wrote: > > I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands easier. > Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter... > > Chat Later, > Steved > > [quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"] > I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way. > > Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place? > [/quote:4c7a6c2e5b] > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: what epoxy to use From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Epoxy mixes are not interchangeable. Different brands have different modulus of elasticity and other mechanical and thermal properties. Aeropoxy is what the designers of the Europa chose and validated. Use something else and you are totally on your own. If you want actual information on the shelf life of a resin system, why not call the company directly 800-421-1518 Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:58 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 Ron Very neat solution. The only other way I can find to get round it is Speed flow (www.speedflow.co.uk) do 10mm banjo /AN fittings but the largest is a AN-04 see attached pics. You would need to put a -o6 to 04 reducer in as well - not ideal. At present I'm planning to stick with the standard banjo and a hose clamp. Regards Paul G-GIDY
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 From: Hello Paul I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable. My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have worked. Shorter and lighter is better IMHO. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 From: Hello Paul I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable. My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have worked. Shorter and lighter is better IMHO. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 From: Hello Paul I searched extensive, could not find anything suitable. My first thought was to make a 10MM Banjo to -6 adapter. You can see the middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have worked. Shorter and lighter is better IMHO. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:40 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using William have a look at Gary Hunter's comparison list. I'm not familiar with the US names and brands so you need to do your own research. http://www.airheart.on.ca/index.html are the US stockist of MGS resins. http://www.cozybuilders.org/ref_info/ check out Gary Hunter, he is the US epoxy guru, worked in the field for 25 years and is Bruce Bahannon's crew chief. Remember Pushy Galor? Pretty little airplane. Graham William Daniell wrote: > > So the MGS is a replacement for the Aeropoxy in all applications? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham > Singleton > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 04:55 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using > > > > There is a resin system made by MG Scheufler in Germany, on the market > in the US as MGS, The grade you want is R285. This is used by most of > the glider manufacturers and is much less toxic than the old EZ Poxy or > the resin system Rutan used for EZs. It's blue, not a variable dirty > brown.It also has the best Glass Transition temperature of the hand > layup systems. > Graham > > SteveD wrote: > >> >>I use aircraft spruce and Areopxy. Keep the old stuff for non-structural > > things. I've been using West system for fill and finishing I find it sands > easier. > >>Epoxy is nasty stuff and you can build up a allergic reaction. Wear gloves > > and don't touch the stuff with your hands, I can't stress that last point > enough. After a friends Cozy and my Europa I'm on the epoxy limiter... > >>Chat Later, >>Steved >> >>[quote:4c7a6c2e5b="airEupora"] >>I have been going though all the parts that came with the kit (A210) and I > > have four gallons of Aeropxy Resin PR2032, batch Y1898 with three Qt cans of > RH3660, batch Y1901. Unopened still sealed. I believe it came with the kit > in 2001. I have heard that it has shelf life of 4 to 5 years. I asked John > about it and he said to buy new stuff. Do I buy the same epoxy or is there > some other epoxy that I should be looking at. I'm planning on going to the > EAA school in a couple of weeks. So I can learn the right way. > >>Do I buy it from Aircraft Spruce or is the a better place? >>[/quote:4c7a6c2e5b] >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 Home grown 10MM Banjo 2 of 2 From: Fred Klein Ron...you're quite a "hacker"! Fred do not archive On Wednesday, March 14, 2007, at 10:10 AM, wrote: > You can see the > middle mock up I hacked out of aluminium. A bit long but would have > worked. > > Shorter and lighter is better IMHO. > > Ron Parigoris > > > <@2 Middle was mock up for -6 adapter.JPG> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.