---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/15/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: What epoxy should I be using (D Wysong) 2. 01:13 AM - Re: Re: MGS epoxy (Karl Heindl) 3. 08:40 AM - Wing root pitot static quick connects (John & Paddy Wigney) 4. 08:56 AM - Re: Wing root pitot static quick connects (josok) 5. 12:46 PM - carb and airbox drains (Paul Stewart) 6. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: MGS epoxy (D Wysong) 7. 01:38 PM - Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Andrew Sarangan) 8. 01:47 PM - Re: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Graham Singleton) 9. 02:52 PM - Re: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Pete Lawless) 10. 03:38 PM - Re: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Paul McAllister) 11. 04:18 PM - Re: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Andrew Sarangan) 12. 04:45 PM - Re: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:42 AM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using > Epoxy mixes are not interchangeable. Different brands have different > modulus of elasticity and other mechanical and thermal properties. > > Aeropoxy is what the designers of the Europa chose and validated. > Use something else and you are totally on your own. True, but the 200 series of MGS resins/hardeners are a very safe choice for any experimental aircraft. The properties for MGS 2XX resin/hardener are actually a bit better than the Aeropoxy spec'd for the Europa. As Graham pointed out, MGS is used on several certified and experimental aircraft. It is less viscous than most systems, too, so wet out is much easier. There was recently a HUGE problem getting MGS into the states due to hazmat classification, though. Everything got held up in Canada (all US bound MGS comes through Canada), and Spruce shipments were running 6+ months late in some instances. All should be well by now, but it's worth a check before you order. D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:18 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: MGS epoxy Would you have any idea who the importer is in Canada ? Would it be Diamond Aircraft ? do not archive >From: D Wysong >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Re: What epoxy should I be using >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:48:54 -0600 > > >>Epoxy mixes are not interchangeable. Different brands have different >>modulus of elasticity and other mechanical and thermal properties. >> >>Aeropoxy is what the designers of the Europa chose and validated. >>Use something else and you are totally on your own. > >True, but the 200 series of MGS resins/hardeners are a very safe choice for >any experimental aircraft. > >The properties for MGS 2XX resin/hardener are actually a bit better than >the Aeropoxy spec'd for the Europa. As Graham pointed out, MGS is used on >several certified and experimental aircraft. It is less viscous than most >systems, too, so wet out is much easier. > >There was recently a HUGE problem getting MGS into the states due to hazmat >classification, though. Everything got held up in Canada (all US bound MGS >comes through Canada), and Spruce shipments were running 6+ months late in >some instances. All should be well by now, but it's worth a check before >you order. > >D > > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:13 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Wing root pitot static quick connects Dear Europaphiles, I am doing my annual inspection and yesterday when I took off my wings, I noticed that one of the white plastic quick connects for the pitot/static tubing at the wing root had fractured. Can anyone advise a supplier of these items. I have poked around on the web at Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc. but have not found anything yet. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing root pitot static quick connects From: "josok" Did you try http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk ? They do stock some items for us you know. Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:03 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: carb and airbox drains To where have folk run the lines from the carb drip trays and airbox drain - 914? Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:13 PM PST US From: D Wysong Subject: Europa-List: RE: Re: MGS epoxy > Would you have any idea who the importer is in Canada? > Would it be Diamond Aircraft ? > > do not archive Sure, here's the link to the NA distributor for MGS: http://www.airheart.on.ca/index.html D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:45 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with foam, finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the foam core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy tiny lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. Any thoughts? Andrew Sarangan http://www.sarangan.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:31 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights Andrew that might be a tedious way to do it, I would stick with the plans method, I only had to drill 2 or 3 holes to balance. Long time ago that was and my memory is not reliable after a few days ?;-) Drilling lead is different though so experiment on a spare block of lead, you might try a spade bit? Graham Andrew Sarangan wrote: > > > I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing > lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. > > I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with foam, > finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the foam > core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy tiny > lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that > drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.sarangan.org > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:39 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights Hi Andrew I remember it was a real pain drilling out lots of lead having painted the ailerons. Then I reread the manual and found that you should do a basic balance before painting. It is a long time ago and I am away from home at the moment so can't check with the book. It was a question of how you read the instructions I think. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Sent: 15 March 2007 20:38 Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with foam, finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the foam core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy tiny lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. Any thoughts? Andrew Sarangan http://www.sarangan.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:18 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights Andrew, that is how i did it and it worked fine. - Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with foam, finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the foam core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy tiny lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. Any thoughts? Andrew Sarangan http://www.sarangan.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:27 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights Paul I am not sure if I understood your reply. Which method did you follow - the procedure outlined in the manual, or the method of potting a foam arm with lead balls? --- Paul McAllister wrote: > > > Andrew, that is how i did it and it worked fine. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew > Sarangan > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:38 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights > > > > > > I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing > lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. > > I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with > foam, > finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the > foam > core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy > tiny > lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that > drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.sarangan.org > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:51 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights lead shot -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights Paul I am not sure if I understood your reply. Which method did you follow - the procedure outlined in the manual, or the method of potting a foam arm with lead balls? --- Paul McAllister wrote: > > > Andrew, that is how i did it and it worked fine. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew > Sarangan > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:38 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Thoughts on Aileron Balance Weights > > > > > > I have seen several builders say that most of the aileron balancing > lead ended up being drilled out, and that it was a laborious task. > > I am wondering if it would be better to build the entire arm with > foam, > finish and paint. Then drill some holes through the glass into the > foam > core and stick some lead balls and pot them in place. You can buy > tiny > lead balls by the pound, and it seems tome that I can avoid all that > drilling and achieve a more accurate balance this way. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.sarangan.org > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.