Europa-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/19/07


Total Messages Posted: 26



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:39 AM - Re: Outriggers - fitting (josok)
     2. 04:00 AM - Recall: FW: fuel hose (William Daniell)
     3. 04:00 AM - Re: FW: fuel hose (William Daniell)
     4. 04:09 AM - Re: Fuel Hose (William Daniell)
     5. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Hose (William Daniell)
     6. 08:15 AM - Re: FW: fuel hose (JEFF ROBERTS)
     7. 10:02 AM - Re: FW: fuel hose (Jerry Rehn)
     8. 10:26 AM - Re: FW: fuel hose (William Daniell)
     9. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Hose (Tim Ward)
    10. 02:48 PM - battery (Jerry Rehn)
    11. 03:21 PM - Re: Tail Wheel Question (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
    12. 03:42 PM - Re: Fuel Hose (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
    13. 03:44 PM - Re: battery (Carl Pattinson)
    14. 04:14 PM - Re: battery (Rman)
    15. 04:25 PM - Re: battery (Jim Brown)
    16. 04:29 PM - Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
    17. 04:37 PM - Re: battery (Bob)
    18. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Steve Crimm)
    19. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Kingsley Hurst)
    20. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Graham Singleton)
    21. 06:16 PM - Firewall Insulation (Troy Maynor)
    22. 06:52 PM - Classic Landing Light (Troy Maynor)
    23. 07:09 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation (Tim Ward)
    24. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
    25. 09:24 PM -  Re: Life is so unfair! (brianelong)
    26. 11:30 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (William Mills)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:39:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Outriggers - fitting
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    Mine were fitted using a file and sanding paper. Took a couple of hours, less time then going after power tools and try that to work properly. The economics worked! Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 04:00:01 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: FW: fuel hose
    William Daniell would like to recall the message, "Europa-List: FW: fuel hose".


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    Time: 04:00:01 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: FW: fuel hose
    Is it compatible with AvGas as well? _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:21 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Automotive fuel injection hose works well. It is compatible with auto fuel and is very tough.Many others have used this including myself. I believe Europa when it had its location in Florida used it when they built up the quick build cockpit modules. Bob Berupe could confirm this. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell <mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation. Is this so? If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? I plan to run on AVGAS. Will href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 04:09:08 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: RE: Fuel Hose
    As usual the range of knowledge astounds me Thanks everyone. Will -----Original Message----- From: John & Paddy Wigney [mailto:johnwigney@alltel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 18:37 Subject: Re: Fuel Hose Hi Will, You are correct. The factory supplied fuel hose with fabric cover is not recommended. I have had 3 instances now where the hose has cracked under a hose clamp with resultant leak. With the fabric cover, a small leak is difficult to find since the fuel wicks into the cover and evaporates. I have had no problems since I replaced mine with SAE 30R7 fuel hose designed for carburettor systems and which has mid-wall reinforcement. This hose is available in the US at stores such as NAPA or Autozone in 1/4 in.(6.3 mm) and 5/16 in. (8 mm) sizes. I use 100LL Avgas. Be aware that if you use auto fuel, the fuel can contain a wide range of aromatics, additives, etc. which can affect the hose life. Therefore, it would probably be wise to use 'fuel injection' SAE 30R9 hose which has an elastomer liner to minimise permeation and deterioration. See http://www.gates.com/common/downloads/files/Gates/brochure/TechTipsForm.pdf for more information. As you might expect, the SAE 30R9 hose is more expensive. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina *************** From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation. Is this so? If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? I plan to run on AVGAS. Will *****************


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    Time: 04:12:56 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Hose
    Tim is this significantly heavier than ac stuff? Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 20:24 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Hose I used Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365 Look at http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/fuel.htm I had many problems with the fabric covered Europa supplied fuel hose. Fuel smell number one!! Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365 Trident Barrier Lined A1 Fuel Hose (Distribution, Return, Vent, and Transfer) for both gasoline (petrol) and diesel (including alcohol blends). Exceeds ABYC H-24 & H-33, SAE J1527, ISO 7840, & USCG Type A1; and is NMMA Type Accepted & CE certified. Built with best fuel, fire and age resistant formulation, 2 spiral reinforcement and unique "Barrier Liner" on inside surface of tube so fuel is not in direct contact with rubber. Provides extraordinary resistance to fuel permeation and aging, as well as fire, heat, cold, and ozone. Also good Bend-ability. 5 YEAR WARRANTY Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Paddy Wigney" <johnwigney@alltel.net> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Hose > <johnwigney@alltel.net> > > Hi Will, > > You are correct. The factory supplied fuel hose with fabric cover is not > recommended. I have had 3 instances now where the hose has cracked under a > hose clamp with resultant leak. With the fabric cover, a small leak is > difficult to find since the fuel wicks into the cover and evaporates. > > I have had no problems since I replaced mine with SAE 30R7 fuel hose > designed for carburettor systems and which has mid-wall reinforcement. > This hose is available in the US at stores such as NAPA or Autozone in 1/4 > in.(6.3 mm) and 5/16 in. (8 mm) sizes. I use 100LL Avgas. > > Be aware that if you use auto fuel, the fuel can contain a wide range of > aromatics, additives, etc. which can affect the hose life. Therefore, it > would probably be wise to use 'fuel injection' SAE 30R9 hose which has an > elastomer liner to minimise permeation and deterioration. See > http://www.gates.com/common/downloads/files/Gates/brochure/TechTipsForm.pdf > for more information. As you might expect, the SAE 30R9 hose is more > expensive. > > Cheers, John > > N262WF, mono XS, 912S > Mooresville, North Carolina > > *************** > From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> > Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose > I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not > recommended > for installation. Is this so? > If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? > I > plan to run on AVGAS. Will > ***************** > > >


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    Time: 08:15:52 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: fuel hose
    I see you've had a lot of response from this so I thought I'd send in my two cents. I used the fuel injection hose throughout the entire system. I figured in the unlikely event of an impact it's the most flexible and has the least chance of breaking. All the drag racers around here swear by it. Its very easy to work with, and you can get it at most auto parts store. The negative is it's a bit expensive but worth it. Jeff R. N128LJ / Gold Rush On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:01 PM, William Daniell wrote: > - > - > I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not > recommended for installation. -Is this so? > - > If so what is recommended?- What is the most durable stuff (for > trigear)?- I plan to run on AVGAS. > - > Will > > Jeff Roberts RMMM Roberts Marketing & Media Management 615-355-7575 Office 615-406-8651 Cell


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    Time: 10:02:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: fuel hose
    Avgas is compatible with this hose. Its the auto gas that causes issues with hoses due to additives such as alcohol etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:58 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Is it compatible with AvGas as well? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:21 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Automotive fuel injection hose works well. It is compatible with auto fuel and is very tough.Many others have used this including myself. I believe Europa when it had its location in Florida used it when they built up the quick build cockpit modules. Bob Berupe could confirm this. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation. Is this so? If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? I plan to run on AVGAS. Will href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 10:26:35 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: FW: fuel hose
    thanks _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:01 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Avgas is compatible with this hose. Its the auto gas that causes issues with hoses due to additives such as alcohol etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell <mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:58 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Is it compatible with AvGas as well? _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:21 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose Automotive fuel injection hose works well. It is compatible with auto fuel and is very tough.Many others have used this including myself. I believe Europa when it had its location in Florida used it when they built up the quick build cockpit modules. Bob Berupe could confirm this. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell <mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not recommended for installation. Is this so? If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? I plan to run on AVGAS. Will href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:06:08 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Hose
    No, not at all heavier. Has a very good 'barrier liner' to stop fuel that permeates, used for fuel injected marine engines, and a good 2 spiral reinforcement. Therefore didn't use the outer reinforced fuel hose recommended through the tunnel. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Hose > > Tim is this significantly heavier than ac stuff? > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 20:24 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Hose > > > I used Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365 > Look at > http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/fuel.htm > > I had many problems with the fabric covered Europa supplied fuel hose. > Fuel > > smell number one!! > > Trident "Barrier Lined" Type A1 Marine Fuel Hose #365 > Trident Barrier Lined A1 Fuel Hose (Distribution, Return, Vent, and > Transfer) for both gasoline (petrol) and diesel (including alcohol > blends). > Exceeds ABYC H-24 & H-33, SAE J1527, ISO 7840, & USCG Type A1; and is NMMA > Type Accepted & CE certified. Built with best fuel, fire and age resistant > formulation, 2 spiral reinforcement and unique "Barrier Liner" on inside > surface of tube so fuel is not in direct contact with rubber. Provides > extraordinary resistance to fuel permeation and aging, as well as fire, > heat, cold, and ozone. Also good > > Bend-ability. > 5 YEAR WARRANTY > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand > > Ph +64 3 3515166 > Mobile 021 0640221 > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John & Paddy Wigney" <johnwigney@alltel.net> > To: <wdaniell@etb.net.co>; "Europa-List" <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:36 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Hose > > >> <johnwigney@alltel.net> >> >> Hi Will, >> >> You are correct. The factory supplied fuel hose with fabric cover is not >> recommended. I have had 3 instances now where the hose has cracked under >> a > >> hose clamp with resultant leak. With the fabric cover, a small leak is >> difficult to find since the fuel wicks into the cover and evaporates. >> >> I have had no problems since I replaced mine with SAE 30R7 fuel hose >> designed for carburettor systems and which has mid-wall reinforcement. >> This hose is available in the US at stores such as NAPA or Autozone in >> 1/4 > >> in.(6.3 mm) and 5/16 in. (8 mm) sizes. I use 100LL Avgas. >> >> Be aware that if you use auto fuel, the fuel can contain a wide range of >> aromatics, additives, etc. which can affect the hose life. Therefore, it >> would probably be wise to use 'fuel injection' SAE 30R9 hose which has an >> elastomer liner to minimise permeation and deterioration. See >> > http://www.gates.com/common/downloads/files/Gates/brochure/TechTipsForm.pdf >> for more information. As you might expect, the SAE 30R9 hose is more >> expensive. >> >> Cheers, John >> >> N262WF, mono XS, 912S >> Mooresville, North Carolina >> >> *************** >> From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> >> Subject: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose >> I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not >> recommended >> for installation. Is this so? >> If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for trigear)? >> I >> plan to run on AVGAS. Will >> ***************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 02:48:10 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: battery
    Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am about to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp cranking power and weighs in at 15lbs. Jerry 914


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    Time: 03:21:30 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Tail Wheel Question
    <<Would someone be so kind as to provide me with the measurement from the bottom of their rudder to the tail wheel spring rod at its closest point please.>> 1/4" at he forward edge of the basal rudder cut-out; 3/8" at the aft edge of the same cut-out. A/c prepared for service, with approx 66lbs on the tailwheel. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kingsley Hurst To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tail Wheel Question Gentlemen, I have a classic and when I originally made the rudder, it was as per the original design. On the release of the tail wheel mod, I purchased it and fitted the actuator plate in the bottom of the rudder. After this, I then became aware of Graham Singleton's rudder mod which I then decided to adopt. (see why it is taking me so long to build !!!) I then had to revert to the original drive system for the rudder so I used a piece of foam which I then re glassed to build back up that part of the rudder previously removed for the fitting of the actuator plate. Problem is that I am not sure if I have left enough clearance between the bottom of the rudder and the tail wheel spring rod. IOW, I don't know how much the tail wheel spring rod will flex. Would someone be so kind as to provide me with the measurement from the bottom of their rudder to the tail wheel spring rod at its closest point please. ie, the minimum clearance between the two. TIA. Kingsley in Oz.


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    Time: 03:42:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Hose
    From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
    The discussion so far has left out the important caveat that while metal fuel lines are nice for the cockpit module, most authoritative authors recomment that FWF that flex lines be used. This would be doublely important for Rotax engines that try to shake themselves off their mounts on every start and stop. I used the hose that came with the kit and was simply told to expect to replace it every three-five years. So far in 3 years, one oil hose is developing surface checking and the fuel lines look OK. As the hoses get retired, I will not use the cheap marine fuel hose that came with the kit, but will use TSO-C53 equivalent teflon like Aeroquip 666 or Stratoflex 124. I agree with Ron that John at Sacto Sky Ranch is an excellent choice for a supplier. He has better prices on assembled hoses than Wicks or ACS, and is extremely knowledgeable about hoses. NB. I purchased John's Mechanic's toolbox software and his book on piston engines. The software is excellent (see web site for all it does: http://www.sacskyranch.com/), and the engine book is simply, the best book on technical details of why Lycomings and Continentals are designed the way they are that I have ever seen. I really wish, he could add some content to the book on Rotax 4 strokes. Ira N224XS


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    Time: 03:44:26 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: battery
    You could look at the Red Top batteries. The Red Top 25 weighs in at 13lb with a similar cranking current. We used the Car/ Motorcycle type before (as supplied by Europa) and had nothing but problems. Since installing the Red Top eighteen months ago the engine starts like a dream. The Rotax 912 now cranks really well and nearly always fires up on the first attempt. Even after 3 months of no use (over the winter) and with no top up charge we still managed to start after 3 attempts. There was no noticeable loss of cranking power from the battery even after such a relatively long layoff. I think we paid approximately 100 stirling and IMHO worth every penny. Carl Pattinson G-LABS PS: Looking at the Odessy website I suspect they are the same as the Red Top - specs appear to be similar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: battery > > Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am about > to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp cranking power > and weighs in at 15lbs. > Jerry > 914 > > >


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    Time: 04:14:01 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: battery
    Jerry, I've been using the Odyssey 680 for almost two years, without issue. I turn the key, the engine turns over... Jeff - Baby Blue Jerry Rehn wrote: > > Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am > about to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp > cranking power and weighs in at 15lbs. > Jerry > 914 > >


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    Time: 04:25:39 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: battery
    Jerry I have a Van's RV-7A with the Superior IO-360 engine. We have the small 17 Amp hour Odyssey installed. We have put 320 hrs in less than a year, on this a/c, and the battery hasn't missed a beat. You have to see the cranking power in these small batteries, to understand how good they are.... Jim Brown N398JB Europa N112B RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: battery > > Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am about > to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp cranking power > and weighs in at 15lbs. > Jerry > 914 > > >


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    Time: 04:29:51 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: RE: Life is so unfair!
    Who says life is meant to be fair..! After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft airborne and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the places where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere. My question is 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank rather than cut the old one out and replace it. All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead). Many Thanks Alan N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop. -- 15:34


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    Time: 04:37:31 PM PST US
    From: "Bob" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: battery
    Jerry, We use the 635 or the 680 exclusively in all the aircraft whether it is the big lycomings, Jabirus or Rotax. Good service and warranty from the dealer. Try not to let them go dead as they are difficult to regenerate with average battery chargers. We take them back to the dealer and if they cannot get it to charge, they replace it. Using a small Battery Minder works well if you have a keep alive circuit. Bob Berube Flight Crafters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: battery > > Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am about > to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp cranking power > and weighs in at 15lbs. > Jerry > 914 > > >


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    Time: 05:12:44 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
    Subject: RE: Life is so unfair!
    Bad Luck... Your aircraft isn't revolting to it's new registration is it and decided to take a pee on the hangar floor to show you who was in charge did it? Or did it "bust a gut" because it is so happy to be flying in warm sunny weather. Sounds like it is time to take it to Bob Berube who is just down the road a bit and tell him to fix it. Bob could probably have it up and flying in no time. Makes for a much better piece of mind and besides it's only money and well worth the cost. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 19:29 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair! --> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Who says life is meant to be fair..! After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft airborne and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the places where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere. My question is 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank rather than cut the old one out and replace it. All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead). Many Thanks Alan N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop. -- 15:34


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    Time: 05:13:05 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@redzone.com.au>
    Subject: RE: Life is so unfair!
    > This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. Alan, Very sorry to hear of your misfortune. Unfortunately, I can confirm that a friend of mine had a split in the back of his tank. He removed the tank and repaired it, the details of which I cannot tell you at this moment but will find out if you are interested. I hope of course, this will not be your problem. I'm having a problem reconciling how the tank is so tough it can be run over by a truck yet it can split under normal ops ???? What happened to your trip to Oz last year ? Cheers and good luck Kingsley


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    Time: 05:55:47 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Life is so unfair!
    Alan look for evidence that something punctured the tank, rudder cables? lump off flox or whatever under the tank gradually working through. Only one I've seen was a small piece of tobacco embedded in the moulding but that was apparent on examining the tank before installation. Alan Burrows wrote: > 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank > 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank > rather than cut the old one out and replace it. > All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead). > Many Thanks > > Alan > N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop. > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005


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    Time: 06:16:41 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Firewall Insulation
    Hi Again All, The front of the firewall will need some sound/heat barrier. Also, several bits to mount. Do I mount or build everything to the front THEN cut holes in it all to mount rectifier, and all the other assorted parts to it? I can't imagine putting the insulation over anything that is on the firewall, unless it would be the shock mounts that are used in the club instrument panel mounting mod. What else do I consider? What is the favorite insulation that others have used that is available in the USA? What about sound deadening on the aft side of the firewall? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA


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    Time: 06:52:47 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Classic Landing Light
    Hey Folks, I have this landing lite that I want to mount in the cowling below the oil cooler which is now below the spinner. I don't have the engine in place at this time. The light is about 2 1/2" in diameter and about 3 inches deep depending on how I mount it. Has anyone with the classic cowl put a light there? Any ideas on lens material I can fair into place at this angled area? Will I need to make it protrude out of the cowling, forward? Or, is there room to keep it within the contours of the original lines of the cowl. I am concerned about it hitting the oil pump or something. I am trying to see if it is worthwhile re hanging the engine one more time before I paint. Thanks. Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA


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    Time: 07:09:28 PM PST US
    From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Firewall Insulation
    Troy, I installed the firewall insulation with aluminum reflexive coat facing forward, first. Then drilled holes through it and the firewall where necessary for wires etc. Mounting the starter relay etc on the side of the battery for the classic (starboard) and the rectifier etc on the other side (port) of the plenum chamber. I mounted them on an aluminum plate away from the firewall, the thickness of the insulation by installing washers between the firewall and plate. The plate also can be grounded for all necessary grounding of electrical components. I also installed sound proofing throughout the cabin including the aft side of the firewall. Again do this first. Hope it is of help. Tim -- Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton Christchurch. Ph. 64 33515166 MOB 0210640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ---- Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote: > Hi Again All, > The front of the firewall will need some sound/heat barrier. Also, several > bits to mount. Do I mount or build everything to the front THEN cut holes in > it all to mount rectifier, and all the other assorted parts to it? I can't > imagine putting the insulation over anything that is on the firewall, unless > it would be the shock mounts that are used in the club instrument panel > mounting mod. What else do I consider? > What is the favorite insulation that others have used that is available in > the USA? > What about sound deadening on the aft side of the firewall? > > Troy Maynor > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic > Left to finish: > Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. > Weaverville, NC USA >


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    Time: 08:20:19 PM PST US
    From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
    Subject: RE: Life is so unfair!
    Hi steve Thanks for the touch of humour I needed a laugh right now. I have contacted Bob and he is coming over tomorrow to take a look. I'll let you know how we get on. Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: 20 March 2007 00:07 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair! <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> Bad Luck... Your aircraft isn't revolting to it's new registration is it and decided to take a pee on the hangar floor to show you who was in charge did it? Or did it "bust a gut" because it is so happy to be flying in warm sunny weather. Sounds like it is time to take it to Bob Berube who is just down the road a bit and tell him to fix it. Bob could probably have it up and flying in no time. Makes for a much better piece of mind and besides it's only money and well worth the cost. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 19:29 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair! --> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Who says life is meant to be fair..! After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft airborne and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the places where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere. My question is 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank rather than cut the old one out and replace it. All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead). Many Thanks Alan N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop. -- 15:34 -- 15:34 -- 15:34


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    Time: 09:24:53 PM PST US
    Subject: RE: Life is so unfair!
    From: "brianelong" <brian@mycarpetsource.com>
    My first full fuel attempt resulted in a similar experience. I found the filler neck attach point to be so thin where it exited the tank that it split when the hose clamp was tightened. Bob Berube was there to witness. Luckily I had built an inspection plate into the top of the tank between the headrests for internal access. If this is where your problem is I'll describe in detail the fix. Bob may remember how we did it but that was a few gray hairs ago. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 11:30:48 PM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Life is so unfair!
    Alan, I experienced something similar, but it was not the tank splitting. Have you checked the short sleeves over the tank exit stubs? Mine developed a significant leak owing to fuel degradation of the rubber and had to be replaced. OK after that. I hope yours is something similar. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair! > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com> > > Who says life is meant to be fair..! > After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft > airborne > and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I > go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. > It's > leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having > removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect > the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards > the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the > places > where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and > dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere. > My question is > 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank > 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank > rather than cut the old one out and replace it. > All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead). > Many Thanks > > Alan > N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop. > > -- > 15:34 > > > -- > 16/03/2007 12:12 > >




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