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1. 02:33 AM - Re: battery (Raimo Toivio)
2. 02:47 AM - Re: battery (David Joyce)
3. 03:04 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation (David Joyce)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (William Daniell)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (JEFF ROBERTS)
8. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (ivor.phillips)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: Classic Landing Light (JEFF ROBERTS)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (William Daniell)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Life is so unfair! (steve v)
13. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (jim lawn)
14. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
15. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
16. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Graham Singleton)
17. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Steve Crimm)
18. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
19. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Life is so unfair! (Alan Burrows)
20. 03:18 PM - Re: Firewall Insulation (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
21. 06:38 PM - Re: FW: fuel hose (Europa List)
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I have The Odyssey and absolutely would like
to purchase it again. It keeps its promises.
Wishes, Raimo
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Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: battery
>
> Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am about to
> replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp cranking power and
> weighs in at 15lbs.
> Jerry
> 914
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And my Odyssey 680 has now given faultless service for 5 yrs without even
needing charging during winter lay offs. David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rman" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: battery
>
> Jerry,
>
> I've been using the Odyssey 680 for almost two years, without issue. I
> turn the key, the engine turns over...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> Jerry Rehn wrote:
> >
> > Was wondering what kind of batteries are being used out there. I am
> > about to replace and am considering the Odyssey which has 680 amp
> > cranking power and weighs in at 15lbs.
> > Jerry
> > 914
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation |
Troy, My 914 installation has worked just fine without any form of heat or
sound insulation on the firewall. The amount of heat that comes through the
firewall is probably enough to stop your feet freezing in winter but not
enough to be noticed in summer, and noise levels are such the you can
converse in the cruise without headsets if you really wanted to. Can see no
point in adding weight and complexity. On the other hand I did line the
cockpit with 2mm foam covered by that synthetic suede material (whose name
escapes me), in the hope that this would reduce noise levels and undue
cooling at altitude.Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Insulation
> Hi Again All,
> The front of the firewall will need some sound/heat barrier. Also, several
> bits to mount. Do I mount or build everything to the front THEN cut holes
in
> it all to mount rectifier, and all the other assorted parts to it? I can't
> imagine putting the insulation over anything that is on the firewall,
unless
> it would be the shock mounts that are used in the club instrument panel
> mounting mod. What else do I consider?
> What is the favorite insulation that others have used that is available in
> the USA?
> What about sound deadening on the aft side of the firewall?
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Yes there was a chap here who did not cut the fuel filler inlet hole big
enough in the cockpit bulkhead and had to replace the tank. Apparently the
factory told him to split the fuselage laterally. Which he did. And the ac
is flying now. Fairly major surgery which is obviously not what you want at
this stage...but it can be done. I can find out more if you wish.
Also there is an Australian company which sells auxiliary bladders for
ferrying ac long distance I forget the name but you can google it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 18:29
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Who says life is meant to be fair..!
After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft airborne
and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I
go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's
leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect
the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards
the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the places
where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and
dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
My question is
1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank
rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
Many Thanks
Alan
N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Thanks William
That was the first thing I checked and they are fine. It all now points to
the tank itself leaking.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills
Sent: 20 March 2007 06:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
<william@wrmills.plus.com>
Alan,
I experienced something similar, but it was not the tank splitting. Have
you checked the short sleeves over the tank exit stubs? Mine developed a
significant leak owing to fuel degradation of the rubber and had to be
replaced. OK after that. I hope yours is something similar.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Who says life is meant to be fair..!
> After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
> airborne
> and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I
> go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel.
> It's
> leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
> removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect
> the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards
> the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
> places
> where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and
> dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
> My question is
> 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
> 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank
> rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
> All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
> Many Thanks
>
> Alan
> N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
> --
> 15:34
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> --
> 16/03/2007 12:12
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Brian
My tanks leaked right up until I drained the last drop of fuel. It was still
leaking when I thought the tank was empty, so I drained the reserve side and
then the dripping stopped. So I dont think my problem is the same as yours,
but I will check it out. Bob is coming down today so I'll speak to him about
it.
Many Thanks
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brianelong
Sent: 20 March 2007 04:24
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
My first full fuel attempt resulted in a similar experience. I found the
filler neck attach point to be so thin where it exited the tank that it
split when the hose clamp was tightened. Bob Berube was there to witness.
Luckily I had built an inspection plate into the top of the tank between the
headrests for internal access. If this is where your problem is I'll
describe in detail the fix. Bob may remember how we did it but that was a
few gray hairs ago.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Life is so unfair! |
Hi Alan,
I had a similar thing happen but it was coming out the sender gasket
under the head rest when I filled the tank. It looked like the dam
broke and took about two hours and removing the wings to finally
discover it. Some pro-seal fixed it right up. Don't worry too much, Bob
will find the problem.
Jeff
A258/ Gold Rush
On Mar 19, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Alan Burrows wrote:
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Who says life is meant to be fair..!
> After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
> airborne
> and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This
> morning I
> go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel.
> It's
> leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
> removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot
> detect
> the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere
> towards
> the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
> places
> where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good
> and
> dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
> My question is
> 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
> 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the
> tank
> rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
> All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
> Many Thanks
>
> Alan
> N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
> --
> 15:34
>
>
Jeff Roberts
RMMM
Roberts Marketing & Media Management
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Life is so unfair! |
Hi Alan,
I had a similar thing happen but it was coming out the sender gasket
under the head rest when I filled the tank. It looked like the dam
broke and took about two hours and removing the wings to finally
discover it. Some pro-seal fixed it right up. Don't worry too much, Bob
will find the problem.
Jeff
A258/ Gold Rush
On Mar 19, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Alan Burrows wrote:
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Who says life is meant to be fair..!
> After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
> airborne
> and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This
> morning I
> go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel.
> It's
> leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
> removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot
> detect
> the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere
> towards
> the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
> places
> where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good
> and
> dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
> My question is
> 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
> 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the
> tank
> rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
> All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
> Many Thanks
>
> Alan
> N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
> --
> 15:34
>
>
Jeff Roberts
RMMM
Roberts Marketing & Media Management
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
They are
http://www.turtlepac.com/collapsibleair.htm
Also there is an Australian company which sells auxiliary bladders for
ferrying ac long distance I forget the name but you can google it.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Landing Light |
Hi Troy,
I believe I sent this picture in before. I have the XS cowl but
creating a flange was necessary and worked well for me. Hope this
helpes.
Jeff
A258 / Gold Rush
On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Troy Maynor wrote:
> Hey Folks,
> I have this landing lite that I want to mount in the cowling below the
> oil
> cooler which is now below the spinner. I don't have the engine in
> place at
> this time. The light is about
> 2 1/2" in diameter and about 3 inches deep depending on how I mount
> it. Has
> anyone with the classic cowl put a light there? Any ideas on lens
> material I
> can fair into place at this angled area? Will I need to make it
> protrude out
> of the cowling, forward? Or, is there room to keep it within the
> contours of
> the original lines of the cowl. I am concerned about it hitting the
> oil
> pump or something. I am trying to see if it is worthwhile re hanging
> the
> engine one more time before I paint.
> Thanks.
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
> <winmail.dat>
Jeff Roberts
RMMM
Roberts Marketing & Media Management
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Crickey what a bugger.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 09:18
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Thanks William
That was the first thing I checked and they are fine. It all now points to
the tank itself leaking.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills
Sent: 20 March 2007 06:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
<william@wrmills.plus.com>
Alan,
I experienced something similar, but it was not the tank splitting. Have
you checked the short sleeves over the tank exit stubs? Mine developed a
significant leak owing to fuel degradation of the rubber and had to be
replaced. OK after that. I hope yours is something similar.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Who says life is meant to be fair..!
> After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
> airborne
> and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I
> go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel.
> It's
> leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
> removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect
> the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards
> the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
> places
> where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and
> dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
> My question is
> 1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
> 2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank
> rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
> All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
> Many Thanks
>
> Alan
> N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
> --
> 15:34
>
>
> --
> 16/03/2007 12:12
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Hi Alan,
What a bummer, mine also leaked about 4 weeks B4 the flight test, it turned out
to be where the two FPA903B screw into the two F09C at the tank outlets (i originally
fitted them "clean"), i'd be interested to know your source of the leak
and the fix,
steve G-CEBV #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Hi Allen
Check your filler connection where the rubber hose is clamped onto the tank
boss - mine collapsed inward - of course it only leaks when you are filling
or when the tank is filled above this level . It is most unlikely for the
tank to split or develope some other leak
regards Jim Lawn 364
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:29:01 -0000
>
><alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Who says life is meant to be fair..!
>After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
>airborne
>and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I
>go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's
>leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
>removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect
>the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards
>the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
>places
>where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and
>dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
>My question is
>1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
>2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank
>rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
>All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan
>N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
>--
>15:34
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Thanks Jim
The tank leaked right until the last drop of fuel was drained out, so I know
the hole is low. All the connections are good so it's not a fault with any
of them.
Bob has taken the aircraft away to his shop for further investigation and
hopefully a fix, so we will know in due course. (Fingers crossed).
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim lawn
Sent: 20 March 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
Hi Allen
Check your filler connection where the rubber hose is clamped onto the tank
boss - mine collapsed inward - of course it only leaks when you are filling
or when the tank is filled above this level . It is most unlikely for the
tank to split or develope some other leak
regards Jim Lawn 364
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:29:01 -0000
>
><alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Who says life is meant to be fair..!
>After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
>airborne
>and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida. This morning I
>go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is full of fuel. It's
>leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a fairly fast rate. Having
>removed all the inspection covers both inside and outside I cannot detect
>the source of the leak. I can see fuel dripping out from somewhere towards
>the back of the tank, but not the actual leak. I have checked all the
>places
>where fuel is meant to leave i.e. all the fittings and all look good and
>dry. I can therefore only assume that the tank has split somewhere.
>My question is
>1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank
>2. How feasible would it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank
>rather than cut the old one out and replace it.
>All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan
>N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
>--
>15:34
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Life is so unfair! |
Probably the aux tank shown at
http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm
Duncan McF.
>
> Also there is an Australian company which sells auxiliary bladders for
> ferrying ac long distance I forget the name but you can google it.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Life is so unfair! |
Alan
reminds me, I have seen the screws on the inspection panels rubbing on
the tank, take a while to wear thu but could be a cause.
Graham
steve v wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
> What a bummer, mine also leaked about 4 weeks B4 the flight test, it turned out
to be where the two FPA903B screw into the two F09C at the tank outlets (i
originally fitted them "clean"), i'd be interested to know your source of the
leak and the fix,
>
> steve G-CEBV #573
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| Subject: | RE: Life is so unfair! |
Now how good is that, pick up and delivery service.
Wish I was closer to Bob, a lot closer.
Would make Europa life a lot easier.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 16:12
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
--> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Thanks Jim
The tank leaked right until the last drop of fuel was drained out, so I know
the hole is low. All the connections are good so it's not a fault with any
of them.
Bob has taken the aircraft away to his shop for further investigation and
hopefully a fix, so we will know in due course. (Fingers crossed).
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim lawn
Sent: 20 March 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
Hi Allen
Check your filler connection where the rubber hose is clamped onto the tank
boss - mine collapsed inward - of course it only leaks when you are filling
or when the tank is filled above this level . It is most unlikely for the
tank to split or develope some other leak
regards Jim Lawn 364
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:29:01 -0000
>
><alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Who says life is meant to be fair..!
>After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
>airborne and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida.
>This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is
>full of fuel. It's leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a
>fairly fast rate. Having removed all the inspection covers both inside
>and outside I cannot detect the source of the leak. I can see fuel
>dripping out from somewhere towards the back of the tank, but not the
>actual leak. I have checked all the places where fuel is meant to leave
>i.e. all the fittings and all look good and dry. I can therefore only
>assume that the tank has split somewhere.
>My question is
>1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank 2. How feasible would
>it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank rather than cut the
>old one out and replace it.
>All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan
>N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
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>15:34
>
>
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Thanks Graham
I'll take a look
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I aint smiling until I know what went wrong and I get it back, until then
...........Gone Fishing ..............
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Sent: 20 March 2007 21:50
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Now how good is that, pick up and delivery service.
Wish I was closer to Bob, a lot closer.
Would make Europa life a lot easier.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 16:12
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
--> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Thanks Jim
The tank leaked right until the last drop of fuel was drained out, so I know
the hole is low. All the connections are good so it's not a fault with any
of them.
Bob has taken the aircraft away to his shop for further investigation and
hopefully a fix, so we will know in due course. (Fingers crossed).
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim lawn
Sent: 20 March 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
Hi Allen
Check your filler connection where the rubber hose is clamped onto the tank
boss - mine collapsed inward - of course it only leaks when you are filling
or when the tank is filled above this level . It is most unlikely for the
tank to split or develope some other leak
regards Jim Lawn 364
>From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: RE: Life is so unfair!
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:29:01 -0000
>
><alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
>Who says life is meant to be fair..!
>After four months of fighting bureaucracy I finally get my aircraft
>airborne and manage exactly four days of fun flying here in Florida.
>This morning I go out to the hanger to pre flight and find the floor is
>full of fuel. It's leaking out of the bottom of the aircraft at a
>fairly fast rate. Having removed all the inspection covers both inside
>and outside I cannot detect the source of the leak. I can see fuel
>dripping out from somewhere towards the back of the tank, but not the
>actual leak. I have checked all the places where fuel is meant to leave
>i.e. all the fittings and all look good and dry. I can therefore only
>assume that the tank has split somewhere.
>My question is
>1. Has anyone else experienced a split fuel tank 2. How feasible would
>it be to have a bladder made to fit inside the tank rather than cut the
>old one out and replace it.
>All help and advice welcome (other than take up sailing instead).
>Many Thanks
>
>Alan
>N134AB tri-gear 914 airmaster prop.
>
>--
>15:34
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Insulation |
Agreed for the monowheel.
On the non-monowheel without the well ventilated central tunnel and with the
original metal firewall, there is too much heat that builds up in the tunnel
during a long flight on a hot day, resulting in the fuel eventually getting
very warm too.
In this instance there is benefit in (thermally) insulating the central part
of the firewall.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall Insulation
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Troy, My 914 installation has worked just fine without any form of heat or
> sound insulation on the firewall. The amount of heat that comes through
> the
> firewall is probably enough to stop your feet freezing in winter but not
> enough to be noticed in summer, and noise levels are such the you can
> converse in the cruise without headsets if you really wanted to. Can see
> no
> point in adding weight and complexity. On the other hand I did line the
> cockpit with 2mm foam covered by that synthetic suede material (whose name
> escapes me), in the hope that this would reduce noise levels and undue
> cooling at altitude.Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:09 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Firewall Insulation
>
>
>> Hi Again All,
>> The front of the firewall will need some sound/heat barrier. Also,
>> several
>> bits to mount. Do I mount or build everything to the front THEN cut holes
> in
>> it all to mount rectifier, and all the other assorted parts to it? I
>> can't
>> imagine putting the insulation over anything that is on the firewall,
> unless
>> it would be the shock mounts that are used in the club instrument panel
>> mounting mod. What else do I consider?
>> What is the favorite insulation that others have used that is available
>> in
>> the USA?
>> What about sound deadening on the aft side of the firewall?
>>
>> Troy Maynor
>> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
>> Left to finish:
>> Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
>> Weaverville, NC USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: fuel hose |
Hi Jeff,
You seem to hang around with a bunch of car nuts. You would probably
like my '88 Fiero with the 4.9 Cadillac V8.
Vaughn T
XSmono, Wiring and preparing for top installation
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: fuel hose
I see you've had a lot of response from this so I thought I'd send in
my two cents. I used the fuel injection hose throughout the entire
system. I figured in the unlikely event of an impact it's the most
flexible and has the least chance of breaking. All the drag racers
around here swear by it. Its very easy to work with, and you can get it
at most auto parts store. The negative is it's a bit expensive but worth
it.
Jeff R.
N128LJ / Gold Rush
On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:01 PM, William Daniell wrote:
I see rather belatedly that the fabric co vered fuel hose is not
recommended for installation. Is this so?
If so what is recommended? What is the most durable stuff (for
trigear)? I plan to run on AVGAS.
Will
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