---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/25/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Mod. 72 - done! (Gert Dalgaard) 2. 12:43 AM - Mod. 72 - done! (Gert Dalgaard) 3. 02:07 AM - Re: fiberglass cloth (flyingphil2) 4. 03:26 AM - Mod. 72 - done! (Gert Dalgaard) 5. 08:41 AM - ceramic coated exhaust (Jerry Rehn) 6. 10:11 AM - Re: ceramic coated exhaust (Peter Timm) 7. 02:04 PM - Re: Mod. 72 - done! (karelvranken) 8. 02:21 PM - Re: ceramic coated exhaust () 9. 06:20 PM - Re: fiberglass cloth (William Daniell) 10. 06:37 PM - Re: fiberglass cloth (William Daniell) 11. 09:51 PM - Re: Mod. 72 - done! (Gert Dalgaard) 12. 10:07 PM - Re: ceramic coated exhaust (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:18 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:03 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fiberglass cloth From: "flyingphil2" Hi, I'm sure the Europa factory supplies the cloth but if not, you can get it from Severn Valley Sailplanes in the UK. See link: http://www.svsp.co.uk/Shop%20Website/pages/composite_repair_materials.htm Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:31 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! After much consideration, I did the mod. 72 last night together with a buddy. Took a little more than three hours and was no problem. Loosen fuel-lines and connections what will not allow you to push the engine a little backwards. Loosen the engine and hoist it about half an inch - and not like the manual says - lower it. Make the job with the 16.5 mm rival and reassemble. Job done. Have a nice Sunday :-))) Regards Gert OY-GDS/425 hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:50 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust Has anyone ceramic coated their exhaust system? Jet Hot www.jet-hot.com is suppose to reduce temperatures about 200 F. Apparently is widely used among high performance racing. Could this help reduce cowl temps without causing other isues? Jerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust From: Peter Timm Hi Jerry, I had my exhaust pipes ceramic coated before taking the aircraft into service, since I had bought the 912S for my classic mono, and knowing, that the 912S runs much hotter than the 912. I don't know what the difference would have been , but have had no problems in 350 hrs , some of the flying in very hot conditions in Arizona. I would recommend it. Peter Timm # 110, C-GIET on 07/3/25 8:40 AM, Jerry Rehn at rehn@rockisland.com wrote: > > Has anyone ceramic coated their exhaust system? Jet Hot www.jet-hot.com is > suppose to reduce temperatures about 200 F. Apparently is widely used among > high performance racing. Could this help reduce cowl temps without causing > other isues? > > Jerry > > > > > > Hi Jerry, I've had my exhaust pipes ceramic coated before taking the aircraft into service. My Europa is a Classic with a 912S and has 350 hrs on it . I could not tell if it made a difference, but things get pretty hot under my cowl, with everything being so tight. It was not very expensive, as I recall I would recommend it. Peter Timm # ll0 , C-GIET ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:11 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! Gert, IMHO the upper two tubes of the landing gear mounting have to be reinforced, not the lower ones. Karel Vranken. # 447 F-PKRL mod 72 done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gert Dalgaard To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! After much consideration, I did the mod. 72 last night together with a buddy. Took a little more than three hours and was no problem. Loosen fuel-lines and connections what will not allow you to push the engine a little backwards. Loosen the engine and hoist it about half an inch - and not like the manual says - lower it. Make the job with the 16.5 mm rival and reassemble. Job done. Have a nice Sunday :-))) Regards Gert OY-GDS/425 hours ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter0 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd.Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust From: Hello Peter "I had my exhaust pipes ceramic coated before taking the aircraft into service" Who did the coating? What type and what color? Thx. Ron Parigoris I was planning on using: http://www.performancecoatings.com/ For 914 exhaust and also their thermal dissipating/protective coating for aluminium intercooler and water radiator ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:17 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fiberglass cloth Thanks, I need something available in the USA - so the conclusion is that the Rutan cloth is acceptable? I don' understand the technical aspect but I am assuming that you need the same mechanical properties as the original which presumably means the same chemical composition, same orientation and same weight of fibers?? -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 13:45 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fiberglass cloth Rutan chose it because it was used for gliders in Germany. Probably still is, 92125, it's made by Interglas and it's a 2 by 2 twill (for drape). The UNI we use is 92145. I recently ( 4 years ago!) bought half a roll of BID from a supplier in Germany but haven't yet re found the details. Price was very good compared to UK prices. Graham EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: > I was told by Europa some time ago that the closest thing for the > factory BID was the Rutan cloth RA7725 > > Brian Skelly > Europa XS TriGear #A276 > North Texas USA > You can see my build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:41 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fiberglass cloth Interglass is based where? Is there any "standard" means of describing cloth? Does 92125 mean anything or is it a part number? As usual my eternal problem is getting stuff in sunny Bogota!! For example the cloth that Andy suggested is ACS part number 7781 described as "8.92 oz per sq yard medium weight standard industrial cloth thread count 60x54 strength 350x330 lb/in" is this a standard way of describing cloth? Would any cloth fulfilling these characteristics do? Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 13:45 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fiberglass cloth Rutan chose it because it was used for gliders in Germany. Probably still is, 92125, it's made by Interglas and it's a 2 by 2 twill (for drape). The UNI we use is 92145. I recently ( 4 years ago!) bought half a roll of BID from a supplier in Germany but haven't yet re found the details. Price was very good compared to UK prices. Graham EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: > I was told by Europa some time ago that the closest thing for the > factory BID was the Rutan cloth RA7725 > > Brian Skelly > Europa XS TriGear #A276 > North Texas USA > You can see my build photos at: > http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:19 PM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod. 72 - done! Lucky me that I did the top then.... :-))) No, of coarse it's in the top-tubes you have to mount the reinforcements, Karel. Must be my poor English. I just suggest that you move the engine half an inch up and not lover it as per instructions from Europa and then do the work under the top- mounting-points. Regards Gert Den 25/03/2007 kl. 23.10 skrev karelvranken: > Gert, > IMHO the upper two tubes of the landing gear mounting have to be > reinforced, not the lower ones. > Karel Vranken. # 447 F-PKRL mod 72 done. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:35 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust Does anybody know if ceramic coating increases the durability of the pipes? In my experience, they seem to last for only about 450 hours. (Classic exhaust) Regards, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Timm" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust > > Hi Jerry, > > I had my exhaust pipes ceramic coated before taking the aircraft into > service, since I had bought the 912S for my classic mono, and knowing, > that > the 912S runs much hotter than the 912. I don't know what the difference > would have been , but have had no problems in 350 hrs , some of the flying > in very hot conditions in Arizona. I would recommend it. > > Peter Timm > # 110, C-GIET > > > on 07/3/25 8:40 AM, Jerry Rehn at rehn@rockisland.com wrote: > >> >> Has anyone ceramic coated their exhaust system? Jet Hot www.jet-hot.com >> is >> suppose to reduce temperatures about 200 F. Apparently is widely used >> among >> high performance racing. Could this help reduce cowl temps without >> causing >> other isues? >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Jerry, > I've had my exhaust pipes ceramic coated before taking the aircraft into > service. My Europa is a Classic with a 912S and has 350 hrs on it . I > could > not tell if it made a difference, but things get pretty hot under my > cowl, > with everything being so tight. It was not very expensive, as I recall > I would recommend it. > Peter Timm > # ll0 , C-GIET > > > -- > 23/03/2007 15:27 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.