---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/28/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:29 AM - Mike Parkin (David Joyce) 2. 03:06 AM - A Long Pin (Raimo Toivio) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: A Long Pin (Hans J. Danielsen) 4. 12:32 PM - Re: A Long Pin (Raimo Toivio) 5. 12:42 PM - Re: A Long Pin (Dean Seitz) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: A Long Pin (NevEyre@aol.com) 7. 02:08 PM - Re: ceramic coated exhaust (karelvranken) 8. 02:58 PM - Re: A Long Pin (danbish) 9. 05:19 PM - Re: A Long Pin (Graham Singleton) 10. 06:03 PM - Re: A Long Pin (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:03 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Mike Parkin Mike, If you are on the list I would be most grateful if you could contact me off list a propos your fuel flow system, as I am trying to put a twin Floscan system through the PFA currently. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:19 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: A Long Pin All Do you have any idea where to get a long pin to install to the root of the flap? I mean about inch longer than the standard pin which is about 1" long. Or is it any way to make the original one longer by lenghtening it some how? My purpose is to change it just to aid rigging. I have some difficulties to rigg the port side wing. The bearing in the flap cross tube turns away when the pin try to go inside. Finally when rigged, all is just perfect and the flaps moves 27 degrees. I think when the pin is longer, it could go in more easily (before those wing root fore and aft pins). I found some talkings about this topic. It was on the forum 13/3/2002. Somebody had exactly same problem. Andy D wrote the bearing should move only 5 degrees. Is that really so? My bearing is turning VERY easily 360. I tied to contact him (PFA) but did not get any comment (I am a PFA-member). Any other ideas to solve my rigging problem? My port side wing takes one hour to go in - stbd side one minute. Regards, Raimo ========== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:41 AM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Raimo, I had the same problem. I made a "pig-dick" out of Redux/flox and put it on the tip of the flap-pin (thick mixture).I made it into a cone and after cure sanded it smooth. Bevare not to sand the pin itself, though. I roughened and degreased the very tip of the pin before applying the mixture. After lubrication the pin - with plenty of lubrication - hits the hole before the wing pins enters. The bearing orientates nicely on the pin and rigging goes effortless. The cone is ca. 2.5 cm long. Hope this helps. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: A Long Pin > > All > > Do you have any idea where to get > a long pin to install to the root of the > flap? I mean about inch longer than > the standard pin which is about 1" long. > > Or is it any way to make the original one > longer by lenghtening it some how? > > My purpose is to change it just to aid rigging. > I have some difficulties to rigg the port side wing. > The bearing in the flap cross tube turns away > when the pin try to go inside. Finally when rigged, > all is just perfect and the flaps moves 27 degrees. > > I think when the pin is longer, it could go in more easily > (before those wing root fore and aft pins). > > I found some talkings about this topic. > It was on the forum 13/3/2002. Somebody had exactly > same problem. Andy D wrote the bearing should move > only 5 degrees. Is that really so? My bearing is turning > VERY easily 360. I tied to contact him (PFA) but did > not get any comment (I am a PFA-member). > > Any other ideas to solve my rigging problem? > My port side wing takes one hour to go in - stbd side one minute. > > Regards, Raimo > ========== > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded) > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Hans, I thought it is impossible to glue anything to the top of the pin but if your cone is still there, it must be a way to the happy rigging. Thank you for a nice advice, Raimo do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Raimo, I had the same problem. I made a "pig-dick" out of Redux/flox and put it on the tip of the flap-pin (thick mixture).I made it into a cone and after cure sanded it smooth. Bevare not to sand the pin itself, though. I roughened and degreased the very tip of the pin before applying the mixture. After lubrication the pin - with plenty of lubrication - hits the hole before the wing pins enters. The bearing orientates nicely on the pin and rigging goes effortless. The cone is ca. 2.5 cm long. Hope this helps. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: A Long Pin > > All > > Do you have any idea where to get > a long pin to install to the root of the > flap? I mean about inch longer than > the standard pin which is about 1" long. > > Or is it any way to make the original one > longer by lenghtening it some how? > > My purpose is to change it just to aid rigging. > I have some difficulties to rigg the port side wing. > The bearing in the flap cross tube turns away > when the pin try to go inside. Finally when rigged, > all is just perfect and the flaps moves 27 degrees. > > I think when the pin is longer, it could go in more easily > (before those wing root fore and aft pins). > > I found some talkings about this topic. > It was on the forum 13/3/2002. Somebody had exactly > same problem. Andy D wrote the bearing should move > only 5 degrees. Is that really so? My bearing is turning > VERY easily 360. I tied to contact him (PFA) but did > not get any comment (I am a PFA-member). > > Any other ideas to solve my rigging problem? > My port side wing takes one hour to go in - stbd side one minute. > > Regards, Raimo > ========== > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded) > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:41 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Long Pin If you make the pin longer it may hit the side of the tube when it slide in binding the flap movement, it goes in at an angle. The best way is the cone extension like Hans said. I did mine like that too. The cone is angled and does not interfere with the movement. Dean Seitz -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans J. Danielsen Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Raimo, I had the same problem. I made a "pig-dick" out of Redux/flox and put it on the tip of the flap-pin (thick mixture).I made it into a cone and after cure sanded it smooth. Bevare not to sand the pin itself, though. I roughened and degreased the very tip of the pin before applying the mixture. After lubrication the pin - with plenty of lubrication - hits the hole before the wing pins enters. The bearing orientates nicely on the pin and rigging goes effortless. The cone is ca. 2.5 cm long. Hope this helps. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: A Long Pin > > All > > Do you have any idea where to get > a long pin to install to the root of the > flap? I mean about inch longer than > the standard pin which is about 1" long. > > Or is it any way to make the original one > longer by lenghtening it some how? > > My purpose is to change it just to aid rigging. > I have some difficulties to rigg the port side wing. > The bearing in the flap cross tube turns away > when the pin try to go inside. Finally when rigged, > all is just perfect and the flaps moves 27 degrees. > > I think when the pin is longer, it could go in more easily > (before those wing root fore and aft pins). > > I found some talkings about this topic. > It was on the forum 13/3/2002. Somebody had exactly > same problem. Andy D wrote the bearing should move > only 5 degrees. Is that really so? My bearing is turning > VERY easily 360. I tied to contact him (PFA) but did > not get any comment (I am a PFA-member). > > Any other ideas to solve my rigging problem? > My port side wing takes one hour to go in - stbd side one minute. > > Regards, Raimo > ========== > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded) > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:54 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Ramio, Ensure the spherical bearing is driven fully into the tube end fitting, if it is not all the way in, it will rotate as you have described, when fully inserted, the rotation should be limited so as not to '' go blind '' Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:54 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust Gottfried, Thank you for the quick answer. Tomorrow I will expedite the whole exhaust system to England. Mit freundlichen Grssen, Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ing. Gottfried Komaier" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: AW: Europa-List: ceramic coated exhaust > > > Karel, > > Yes you can do. > > The coating on my Rotax 914 exhaust system was done here in Europe. All > the pipes, the muffler and the hot side of the turbocharger for ~ 400.- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 0 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin From: "danbish" You can find ball lock pins of just about any size or style at McMaster Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/). Do a search on "ball lock pin" to pull up the results. Make sure you measure carefully following their instructions. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:24 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: A Long Pin Nev I have a vague memory that the bearing is not symetrical (back to front) If put in wrong the spere will rotate, the oter way it is restrained by the housing. Is this right, it's ten years since I last did this job?? Graham NevEyre@aol.com wrote: > Ramio, > Ensure the spherical bearing is driven fully into the tube end fitting, > if it is not all the way in, it will rotate as you have described, when > fully inserted, the rotation should be limited so as not to '' go blind '' > Cheers, > Nev. > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:03 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Long Pin Gidday G, > I have a vague memory that the bearing is not symmetrical (back to front) If put in wrong the spere will rotate, the other way it is restrained by the housing. Can't look right now but I'm sure my bearings have a flange on the outer casing and can only go in one way. 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