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Wed 04/04/07


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 01:11 AM - Re: Rotax Generator (Raimo Toivio)
     2. 02:09 AM - DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th. (Paddy Clarke)
     3. 06:20 AM - Fw: Rotax 912s Benchmark Performance (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
     4. 08:07 AM - Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th. (William Harrison)
     5. 09:42 AM - Re: Mono tire (Jerry Rehn)
     6. 10:36 AM - Flap attachment procedure (Andrew Sarangan)
     7. 10:46 AM - Re: Rotax Generator (Jerry Rehn)
     8. 10:47 AM - Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th. (Trevpond@aol.com)
     9. 11:51 AM - Re: Flap attachment procedure (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
    10. 12:15 PM - Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th. (Carl Pattinson)
    11. 01:13 PM - Re: Flap attachment procedure (Fred Klein)
    12. 04:20 PM - Re: Flap attachment procedure (Keith Hickling)
    13. 07:08 PM - Re: Flap attachment procedure (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:11:59 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Generator
    Steve I had same trouble; no alt pwr at all during first engine run upp. Reason: those yellow wires from the alternator to the regulator G-connectors were not fully inserted /locked. Very simple! They are quite easy to leave unconnected! After fix I get more than enough power. Hope that helps, Raimo ================= Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, completed, taxi tests OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, under reinterioring in the Polar Circle OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines, grounded but lights on 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Crimm To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:47 AM Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Generator Flight, I need some direction (lots) on how to troubleshoot/test my Rotax generator and regulator to determine the reason why I have no power other than battery power. Thanks, Steve Crimm N42AH Still For Sale www.stephenscott.com/Europa


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    Time: 02:09:02 AM PST US
    From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
    Subject: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th.
    Hi Folks, There is a good selection of vouchers this month, all round the country. The most central seems to be Wolverhampton - so how about a DOTH there on Thursday 5th?. 1200ish, Voucher in Flyer. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM


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    Time: 06:20:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Fw: Rotax 912s Benchmark Performance
    From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
    Greetings All, I have been interested for some time in developing a set of performance data for the Rotax 912s as installed in my Europa Trigear. This information, provided in the POH of all certificated constant speed propellor aircraft is sadly lacking from Europa or Rotax manuals. I am enclosing the static performance data at sea level on a standard pressure day for my engine. The aircraft is chocked and not moving. At some point soon I hope to add the data including TAS airspeed at 3000, 6000, 9000 feet density altitude. NM means not measured because I thought higher power would jump my chocks! Hopefully this data will allow us to make informed choices for MP and RPM settings for speed or economy, etc. At this point I would appreciate comments on the data and methods, etc. Cheers, Ira N224XS


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    Time: 08:07:13 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th.
    I'll see if I can get a Permit to Fly from the DAA (Domestic Aviation Authority) and hopefully see you there. Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 4 Apr 2007, at 10:08, Paddy Clarke wrote: > <paddyclarke@lineone.net> > > Hi Folks, > There is a good selection of vouchers this month, all round the > country. The most central seems to be Wolverhampton - so how about > a DOTH there on Thursday 5th?. 1200ish, Voucher in Flyer. > Cheers, Paddy > > > Paddy Clarke > > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM > >


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    Time: 09:42:58 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: Mono tire
    Hi Fred The bird has been hangered when not flying. It has lots of t/o and landings as most of my flying is not cross country except last year to OSH and back. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono tire > > Hey Jerry...just an uneducated comment: If most of those 6 years have been > spent w/ the bird on its trailer and out of the sun, my hunch is the UV > rays which we know are the bane of the sidewalls will not have had the > deleterious effects one would expect had it been parked on the ramp. How > many t/os and land'gs? > > Fred > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2007, at 09:45 AM, Jerry Rehn wrote: > >> >> I have 6 years on my tire with no issues, tread and side wall look good. >> Should I be changing it out due to age? How long can I go with this? >> Thanks >> >> Jerry > > >


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    Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: Flap attachment procedure
    Folks I am a bit confused about the procedure for attaching the flaps to the wings. I hope someone can clarify it for me. First, I am not clear on what exact purpose is served by the flap setting template, and which surfaces or points are considered critical. The manual says to make a template and glue it to the wing with bondo. I made such a template from particle board, but I was unsuccessful in bonding it with bondo. The board is heavy enough and the contact area small enough that I can't think how some blobs of bondo is going to keep it in place while I flip the wing over. Regarding the alignment, it would seem to me the hinge pivot point should be positioned such that it is at the center of the flap's leading edge arc (and the corresponding arc of the wing's closeout) to ensure smooth flap motion without rubbing the wing's closeout area. If I am thinking this through correctly, this step could be accomplished without the use of a template by positioning the flap such that its bottom surface is aligned to the wing's bottom surface, and then ensuring a constant gap between the wing and flap from root to tip. I was thinking of inserting some wooden blocks in the closeout area to accurately set this gap between the flap and the closeout. Am I missing something?


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    Time: 10:46:54 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Rehn" <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Generator
    Hi Steve Can you describe what happened before failure, any work done, did charging go down gradually or instantly? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Crimm To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Generator Flight, I need some direction (lots) on how to troubleshoot/test my Rotax generator and regulator to determine the reason why I have no power other than battery power. Thanks, Steve Crimm N42AH Still For Sale www.stephenscott.com/Europa


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    Time: 10:47:10 AM PST US
    From: Trevpond@aol.com
    Subject: Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th.
    Eh Up Paddy Hope to see you there. regards Trev Pond G-LINN


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    Time: 11:51:25 AM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Flap attachment procedure
    Andrew, One other method of creating a clean constant even edge between the wing and the flap would be done at the time of closing out the wings, is to place some inexpensive floor tile that has been warmed up and pliable along the length of the flap, allow it to cool so it takes the shape of the flaps leading edge, and then epoxy the top of the wing on. While I have not reached that point yet (wings are done but I have this nagging feeling that as soon as I close the wings up, something will come along and have to be done inside them), I am ready with the floor tile. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 12:15:48 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th.
    Anyone would think a bank holiday with 4 days off is enough and then you DOH'ers get to take the rest of the week off. So does DAA also stand for "Discourage All Aviation" . I wonder? (or Dont Ask Again!!!) Carl G-LABS ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Wolverhampton Thur.5th. > <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk> > > I'll see if I can get a Permit to Fly from the DAA (Domestic Aviation > Authority) and hopefully see you there. > > Willie Harrison G-BZNY > > > On 4 Apr 2007, at 10:08, Paddy Clarke wrote: > >> <paddyclarke@lineone.net> >> >> Hi Folks, >> There is a good selection of vouchers this month, all round the country. >> The most central seems to be Wolverhampton - so how about a DOTH there >> on Thursday 5th?. 1200ish, Voucher in Flyer. >> Cheers, Paddy >> >> >> Paddy Clarke >> >> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap attachment procedure
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Hi Andrew, I found that using the template (I made mine out of clear cedar and used hot glue to bond it to the wing) with the half inch "notch" to catch the trailing edge of the flap really made it simple to keep the flap in proper location and orientation w/ respect to the wing. Keeping the relationship between flap and wing constant seemed important, and the template does just that. I used 3 sets of doubled up tongue depressors to set the proper vertical gap between flap and wing by taping them to the underside of the wing and allowing them to hang down sideways along the wing trailing edge close out; one set at each of the flap hinges. You're right in anticipating that the "blobs of bondo" may break loose when flipping the wing over; at least that's what happened to me w/ my hot glue blobs; however, I didn't find this to be a problem. As to any rubbing between the flap and wing close out, the tongue depressors take care of the vertical portion of the close out, and the gap between the curved, trailing edge of the close out and the flap will be dealt with at the time the upper wing skin is attached...again using a string of tongue depressors to establish an even and adequate gap. Assuming you have yet to drill for the bolts between the W18s and Ws 19, 20, and 21, I used "C" clamps to secure them together while I ensured that the flap movement was smooth and just the way I wanted...I spent quite some time as I recall bringing everything into proper alignment before drilling (w/ a pesky borrowed compact angled airdrill). The template will also be essential when the time comes to set the angle of max. flap deflection. Hope this helps, Fred On Wednesday, April 4, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > <asarangan@yahoo.com> > > Folks > > I am a bit confused about the procedure for attaching the flaps to the > wings. I hope someone can clarify it for me. > > First, I am not clear on what exact purpose is served by the flap > setting template, and which surfaces or points are considered critical. > The manual says to make a template and glue it to the wing with bondo. > I made such a template from particle board, but I was unsuccessful in > bonding it with bondo. The board is heavy enough and the contact area > small enough that I can't think how some blobs of bondo is going to > keep it in place while I flip the wing over. > > > Regarding the alignment, it would seem to me the hinge pivot point > should be positioned such that it is at the center of the flap's > leading edge arc (and the corresponding arc of the wing's closeout) to > ensure smooth flap motion without rubbing the wing's closeout area. If > I am thinking this through correctly, this step could be accomplished > without the use of a template by positioning the flap such that its > bottom surface is aligned to the wing's bottom surface, and then > ensuring a constant gap between the wing and flap from root to tip. I > was thinking of inserting some wooden blocks in the closeout area to > accurately set this gap between the flap and the closeout. Am I missing > something? > >


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    Time: 04:20:41 PM PST US
    From: Keith Hickling <keithhickling@clear.net.nz>
    Subject: Re: Flap attachment procedure
    Andrew, The flap setting template does seem to result in the correct setup position for the flap hinges. The cutaway in the middle of the template does not contact the wing, so the contact areas are the areas on the leading and trailing edges and the flap. In fact, unless your cutting out is perfect, only the low points (ie closest to the wing surface) will contact. The critical points are the leading edge, the lowest points in front of and behind the cutout area, the region over the flap, and the notch at the aft end to retain the flap trailing edge. If the lowest points in these regions are accurate it should be fine, and the odd high point is not important. The template does tend to break off with bondo, but if you do some very light sanding of the wing surface with fine paper to give it a key and bond it at 6-8 points it should be OK. Then just turn the wing over, rest the flap on the template and the closeout, and place the spacers between the flap leading edge and the front of the flap closeout. The template supports the root and trailing edge of the flap, and it should sit there on the closeout without needing additional support. If everything is correct the end of the flap should line up with the aileron in its neutral position. Flip the flap connectors over onto the wing, clamp them to the W18 plates and swing the flap through its arc to make sure all is well. Slight rubbing on the trailing edge of the closeout doesn't matter at this stage - will be corrected when bonding on the top wing skin. As the flap arcs back into the extended position the space between it and the closeout increases, so there is quite a gap at full extension. Hope that helps. It worked well for me. Regards, Keith Hickling, Kit 613 Mono XS, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: Europa-List: Flap attachment procedure > > Folks > > I am a bit confused about the procedure for attaching the flaps to the > wings. I hope someone can clarify it for me. > > First, I am not clear on what exact purpose is served by the flap > setting template, and which surfaces or points are considered critical. > The manual says to make a template and glue it to the wing with bondo. > I made such a template from particle board, but I was unsuccessful in > bonding it with bondo. The board is heavy enough and the contact area > small enough that I can't think how some blobs of bondo is going to > keep it in place while I flip the wing over. > > > Regarding the alignment, it would seem to me the hinge pivot point > should be positioned such that it is at the center of the flap's > leading edge arc (and the corresponding arc of the wing's closeout) to > ensure smooth flap motion without rubbing the wing's closeout area. If > I am thinking this through correctly, this step could be accomplished > without the use of a template by positioning the flap such that its > bottom surface is aligned to the wing's bottom surface, and then > ensuring a constant gap between the wing and flap from root to tip. I > was thinking of inserting some wooden blocks in the closeout area to > accurately set this gap between the flap and the closeout. Am I missing > something? > >


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    Time: 07:08:15 PM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Flap attachment procedure
    Hi Andrew. I screwed some L shaped metal brackets to the base of my templates. ( Cheap at Home Depot cabinet hardware area) Then used clamps at the wing root to hold the template in place. Was easy and worked great! Take a look at the photos in my area of the Europa Owners Site. Chapter Nine photos. _http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album59&id=CH9S_8&op=mo dload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php_ (http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album59&id=CH9S_8&op=modload&name=gallery&file index&include=view_photo.php) Hope that helps! Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.




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