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1. 03:25 AM - Left over parts for sale (RobNeils)
2. 03:34 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Brian Hutchinson)
3. 05:01 AM - Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (ivor.phillips)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Paul McAllister)
6. 07:19 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Alan Burrows)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Graham Singleton)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Pete Lawless)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Fred Klein)
10. 12:56 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 02:10 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Steve Crimm)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Fred Klein)
13. 02:40 PM - DOTH Sherburn-in-Elmet Thur.12th (Paddy Clarke)
14. 03:38 PM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Gilles Thesee)
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Subject: | Left over parts for sale |
Here are some of the parts I have for sale left over from my Europa project.
I've listed how many of the parts I have, what the part is, what I paid for it
and the internet site where information about the part is listed.
I'll send you a picture of anything you want to see.
1
Toggle Switch MS35058-22
Aircraft Spruce P/N AN3021-2
(Never Used)
$9.60
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...gleswitches.php
1
Aircraft Instrument Light
Nulite
Aircraft Spruce P/N LW3014
(Never Used)
$41.40
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus...ntlighting.html
2
Air Vent
Aluminum, Eyeball, Swivel
Aircraft Spruce P/N 13-03600
(Never Used)
$176.50
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...alumeyeball.php
1
3 Amp Circuit Breaker
Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-3
Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03928
(Never Used)
$28.40
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php
3
2 Amp Circuit Breaker
Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-2
Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03927
(Never Used)
$28.70
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php
2
5 Amp Circuit Breaker
Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-5
Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03929
(Never Used)
$19.30
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php
1
Fuel/coolant pressure sender
LPS-020-28 psi
Engine Information System
Grand Rapids Technology
(Never Used)
$35.00
http://www.grtavionics.com/Price.htm
1
T4-5 Servo with RC8-7T4 Clevis/Pushrod kit
Ray Allen Company
(Never Used) $172.00
$10.00
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/servos.html #Anchor-T4-49575
1
Phenolic Sheet 1 X 1
Grade L (Linen Base)
Aircraft Spruce P/N 03-53000
(Never Used)
$165.95
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal.../phenosheet.php
1
Star Trek Collection Plate# 1451A
Voyager NCC-1701
Hamilton Collection Plates
(In Original Box)
$65.00
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??
Brian Hutchinson
Mike
Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on
my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be
burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding
which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose.
Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner
had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why
this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had
recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem
(the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an
expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of
the damage.
Happy flying
Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)
On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:
Hi Guys,
For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.
Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a good
look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder
exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to
the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat
shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the
pipe was just starting to be affected.
On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend must
have eased during use.
Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the
bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem.
Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected.
But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick look - a
burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.
Kind regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)
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Subject: | Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Fellow Europaphiles,
A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to
Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet
aircraft.
Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the
crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a
delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA)
Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two
low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to
Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June
and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the
QANTAS Founders Museum.
My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine
style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite
pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very
inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and
avg speed just over 100 kts.
Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested.
Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I
expect in June when I'm in the UK.
Regards to all
Kingsley in Oz
do not archive
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Subject: | WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
Use silicone Hose instead of rubber with suitable heat reflecting sleeve
like http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=0_7
<http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=0_7&products_id=393>
&products_id=393
And using slightly longer pieces of hose you can route them further away
from the heat source,
But Regular check of hose condition is recommended,
Regards
Ivor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??
Brian Hutchinson
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Subject: | WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
Hi,
If you take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January 2004 you
can see a few pictures of what I did. I re routed one of the oil hoses to
run on the port side of the motor, across the back of the engine mount and
up into the oil container. I used Teflon braided Aeroquip 666 hose.
So far this has held up fine for 600 hours.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:35 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??
Brian Hutchinson
Mike
Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on
my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be
burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding
which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose.
Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner
had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why
this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had
recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem
(the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an
expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of
the damage.
Happy flying
Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)
On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:
Hi Guys,
For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.
Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a
good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder
exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to
the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat
shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the
pipe was just starting to be affected.
On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend
must have eased during use.
Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after
the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem.
Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected.
But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick look -
a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.
Kind regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)
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Subject: | Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Hi Kingsley
What great pictures. The trip sounds fantastic, I=92m sure you enjoyed
it a
lot. Not sure you will get the same weather in U.K. but June is a fairly
safe bet for reasonable conditions. I am still in Florida until the end
of
April and am presently preparing my aircraft for Sun n Fun. Hopefully
the
fuel leak is now fixed (fingers crossed) and I can get back in the air.
What
are your U.K. plans, as it would be great to arrange a meet up somewhere
if
possible?
Hope you are well.
Kind Regards
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Sent: 10 April 2007 12:52
Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707
Fellow Europaphiles,
A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to
Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet
aircraft.
Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the
crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a
delightful
bureaucracy by the name of CASA)
Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two
low
passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to Sydney.
It is
now to return for its final landing at the end of June and will join its
big
brother, a B747-200 already on show near the QANTAS Founders Museum.
My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine
style
never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite
pleased it
didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very inhospitable
country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and avg speed
just
over 100 kts.
Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested.
Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I
expect in June when I'm in the UK.
Regards to all
Kingsley in Oz
do not archive
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09/04/2007
22:59
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22:59
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Subject: | Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Alan
he could visit you on IoM on the way from my place to Ireland? Strongly
recommend the Island, 'specially when Burt is around {{;-)
Graham
Alan Burrows wrote:
> Hi Kingsley
>
>
>
> What great pictures. The trip sounds fantastic, Im sure you enjoyed it
> a lot. Not sure you will get the same weather in U.K. but June is a
> fairly safe bet for reasonable conditions. I am still in Florida until
> the end of April and am presently preparing my aircraft for Sun n Fun.
> Hopefully the fuel leak is now fixed (fingers crossed) and I can get
> back in the air. What are your U.K. plans, as it would be great to
> arrange a meet up somewhere if possible?
>
> Hope you are well.
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kingsley
> Hurst
> *Sent:* 10 April 2007 12:52
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707
>
>
>
> Fellow Europaphiles,
>
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to
> Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet
> aircraft.
>
>
>
> Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the
> crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a
> delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA)
>
>
>
> Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two
> low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to
> Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June
> and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the
> QANTAS Founders Museum.
>
>
>
> My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine
> style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite
> pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very
> inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and
> avg speed just over 100 kts.
>
>
>
> Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested.
>
>
>
> Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I
> expect in June when I'm in the UK.
>
>
>
> Regards to all
>
>
>
> Kingsley in Oz
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
> 09/04/2007 22:59
>
>
> --
> 09/04/2007 22:59
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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Subject: | Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Hi Kingsley
Nice pictures! What was the registration of the 707?
In the UK they just scrapped the last remaining BOAC 707-400 (that was
the
on with the RR engines)
Pete
PS When you do your run ups at Kemble you park your Europa in front of
two
747-200s. Unfortunately they are in the breakers yard.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Sent: 10 April 2007 12:52
Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707
Fellow Europaphiles,
A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to
Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet
aircraft.
Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the
crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a
delightful
bureaucracy by the name of CASA)
Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two
low
passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to Sydney.
It is
now to return for its final landing at the end of June and will join its
big
brother, a B747-200 already on show near the QANTAS Founders Museum.
My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine
style
never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite
pleased it
didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very inhospitable
country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and avg speed
just
over 100 kts.
Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested.
Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I
expect in June when I'm in the UK.
Regards to all
Kingsley in Oz
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Subject: | Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Apropos QANTAS (there...I got the spelling right Kingsley!) B707s,
there was an online article a few days ago on either Slate or
Huffingtonpost about John Travolta's Q/B707 parked in his front yard
somewhere in Florida...pretty big personal toy...
Sorry you weren't able to witness the 707's full stop landing...thanks
for the pix of the fly by and low pass!
Fred
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Subject: | Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again is one of
the maiden flights of the 707. Boeing was having a celebration and the aircraft
overflew it as part of the party. Immediately after passing over at low altitude,
the pilot aileron rolled it. THAT is s sight.
Jim - A-283
Do not archive.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Apropos QANTAS (there...I got the spelling right Kingsley!) B707s,
> there was an online article a few days ago on either Slate or
> Huffingtonpost about John Travolta's Q/B707 parked in his front yard
> somewhere in Florida...pretty big personal toy...
>
> Sorry you weren't able to witness the 707's full stop landing...thanks
> for the pix of the fly by and low pass!
>
> Fred
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
That Boeing is sitting at the Air & Space Museum at Dulles, along with lots
of other nice aircraft. Was in the DC area over Christmas and spent the day
strolling thru aviation history.
Well worth the trip if you in the DC area.
Steve
N42AH
Still For Sale
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 15:55
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707
One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again is one
of the maiden flights of the 707. Boeing was having a celebration and the
aircraft overflew it as part of the party. Immediately after passing over
at low altitude, the pilot aileron rolled it. THAT is s sight.
Jim - A-283
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Subject: | Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 |
Jim...a quick google at "Boeing Dash 80 aileron roll" will get a
rundown of this story...I believe over 300,000 people had lined the
banks of Lake Washington for the unlimited hydroplane races...they sure
got a special treat!
Fred - A194
do not archive
On Tuesday, April 10, 2007, at 12:54 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again
> is one of the maiden flights of the 707.- Boeing was having a
> celebration and the aircraft overflew it as part of the party.-
> Immediately after passing over at low altitude, the pilot aileron
> rolled it.- THAT is s sight.
> -
> Jim - A-283
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Subject: | DOTH Sherburn-in-Elmet Thur.12th |
Hi Folks,
The weather should stay good for the rest of the week, so how about a
DOTH on Thursday?. I suggest Sherburn-in-Elmet 1200ish, voucher in
Flyer.
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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Subject: | Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
Brian Hutchinson a crit :
>
> So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster??
>
Routing hoses is an art more than an science.
But achieving a satisfactory result is not so difficult with a little care.
Regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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