---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/10/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Left over parts for sale (RobNeils) 2. 03:34 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Brian Hutchinson) 3. 05:01 AM - Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Kingsley Hurst) 4. 05:23 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (ivor.phillips) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Paul McAllister) 6. 07:19 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Alan Burrows) 7. 08:02 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Graham Singleton) 8. 08:55 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Pete Lawless) 9. 11:43 AM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Fred Klein) 10. 12:56 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 11. 02:10 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Steve Crimm) 12. 02:12 PM - Re: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 (Fred Klein) 13. 02:40 PM - DOTH Sherburn-in-Elmet Thur.12th (Paddy Clarke) 14. 03:38 PM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Gilles Thesee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Left over parts for sale From: "RobNeils" Here are some of the parts I have for sale left over from my Europa project. I've listed how many of the parts I have, what the part is, what I paid for it and the internet site where information about the part is listed. I'll send you a picture of anything you want to see. 1 Toggle Switch MS35058-22 Aircraft Spruce P/N AN3021-2 (Never Used) $9.60 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...gleswitches.php 1 Aircraft Instrument Light Nulite Aircraft Spruce P/N LW3014 (Never Used) $41.40 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus...ntlighting.html 2 Air Vent Aluminum, Eyeball, Swivel Aircraft Spruce P/N 13-03600 (Never Used) $176.50 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...alumeyeball.php 1 3 Amp Circuit Breaker Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-3 Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03928 (Never Used) $28.40 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php 3 2 Amp Circuit Breaker Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-2 Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03927 (Never Used) $28.70 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php 2 5 Amp Circuit Breaker Potter & Brumfield W23X1A1G-5 Aircraft Spruce P/N 11-03929 (Never Used) $19.30 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php 1 Fuel/coolant pressure sender LPS-020-28 psi Engine Information System Grand Rapids Technology (Never Used) $35.00 http://www.grtavionics.com/Price.htm 1 T4-5 Servo with RC8-7T4 Clevis/Pushrod kit Ray Allen Company (Never Used) $172.00 $10.00 http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/servos.html #Anchor-T4-49575 1 Phenolic Sheet 1 X 1 Grade L (Linen Base) Aircraft Spruce P/N 03-53000 (Never Used) $165.95 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal.../phenosheet.php 1 Star Trek Collection Plate# 1451A Voyager NCC-1701 Hamilton Collection Plates (In Original Box) $65.00 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:47 AM PST US From: "Brian Hutchinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster?? Brian Hutchinson Mike Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of the damage. Happy flying Willie Harrison (G-BZNY) On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote: Hi Guys, For all Europa owners with Rotax 914. Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the pipe was just starting to be affected. On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend must have eased during use. Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem. Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected. But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous. Kind regards, Mike Parkin (G-JULZ) <2007_04080049.JPG> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:03 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Fellow Europaphiles, A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet aircraft. Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA) Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the QANTAS Founders Museum. My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and avg speed just over 100 kts. Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested. Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I expect in June when I'm in the UK. Regards to all Kingsley in Oz do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:26 AM PST US From: "ivor.phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. Use silicone Hose instead of rubber with suitable heat reflecting sleeve like http://www.agriemach.com/product_info.php?cPath=0_7 &products_id=393 And using slightly longer pieces of hose you can route them further away from the heat source, But Regular check of hose condition is recommended, Regards Ivor Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster?? Brian Hutchinson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:16 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. Hi, If you take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January 2004 you can see a few pictures of what I did. I re routed one of the oil hoses to run on the port side of the motor, across the back of the engine mount and up into the oil container. I used Teflon braided Aeroquip 666 hose. So far this has held up fine for 600 hours. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchinson Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:35 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster?? Brian Hutchinson Mike Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe - a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some gory photos of the damage. Happy flying Willie Harrison (G-BZNY) On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote: Hi Guys, For all Europa owners with Rotax 914. Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have a good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1 cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and the pipe was just starting to be affected. On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the bend must have eased during use. Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem. Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected. But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous. Kind regards, Mike Parkin (G-JULZ) <2007_04080049.JPG> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:55 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Hi Kingsley What great pictures. The trip sounds fantastic, I=92m sure you enjoyed it a lot. Not sure you will get the same weather in U.K. but June is a fairly safe bet for reasonable conditions. I am still in Florida until the end of April and am presently preparing my aircraft for Sun n Fun. Hopefully the fuel leak is now fixed (fingers crossed) and I can get back in the air. What are your U.K. plans, as it would be great to arrange a meet up somewhere if possible? Hope you are well. Kind Regards Alan _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 10 April 2007 12:52 Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Fellow Europaphiles, A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet aircraft. Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA) Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the QANTAS Founders Museum. My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and avg speed just over 100 kts. Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested. Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I expect in June when I'm in the UK. Regards to all Kingsley in Oz do not archive -- 09/04/2007 22:59 -- 09/04/2007 22:59 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:39 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Alan he could visit you on IoM on the way from my place to Ireland? Strongly recommend the Island, 'specially when Burt is around {{;-) Graham Alan Burrows wrote: > Hi Kingsley > > > > What great pictures. The trip sounds fantastic, Im sure you enjoyed it > a lot. Not sure you will get the same weather in U.K. but June is a > fairly safe bet for reasonable conditions. I am still in Florida until > the end of April and am presently preparing my aircraft for Sun n Fun. > Hopefully the fuel leak is now fixed (fingers crossed) and I can get > back in the air. What are your U.K. plans, as it would be great to > arrange a meet up somewhere if possible? > > Hope you are well. > > Kind Regards > > > > Alan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kingsley > Hurst > *Sent:* 10 April 2007 12:52 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 > > > > Fellow Europaphiles, > > > > A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to > Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet > aircraft. > > > > Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the > crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a > delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA) > > > > Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two > low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to > Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June > and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the > QANTAS Founders Museum. > > > > My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine > style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite > pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very > inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and > avg speed just over 100 kts. > > > > Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested. > > > > Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I > expect in June when I'm in the UK. > > > > Regards to all > > > > Kingsley in Oz > > > > do not archive > > > -- > 09/04/2007 22:59 > > > -- > 09/04/2007 22:59 > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:30 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Hi Kingsley Nice pictures! What was the registration of the 707? In the UK they just scrapped the last remaining BOAC 707-400 (that was the on with the RR engines) Pete PS When you do your run ups at Kemble you park your Europa in front of two 747-200s. Unfortunately they are in the breakers yard. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 10 April 2007 12:52 Subject: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 Fellow Europaphiles, A couple of weeks ago I said I was hoping to score a trip by Europa to Longreach in Western Queensland to see the landing of QANTAS's first jet aircraft. Well the trip came off but the aircraft wasn't allowed to land . . . the crew need more training! . . . . . yes we have them here too (a delightful bureaucracy by the name of CASA) Not to be put down, the aircraft was flown up from Sydney and did two low passes and four approaches and go-arounds before returning to Sydney. It is now to return for its final landing at the end of June and will join its big brother, a B747-200 already on show near the QANTAS Founders Museum. My mates little 912 tri-gear took us for the 650 nm round trip in fine style never missing a beat and burning no oil. I might say I was quite pleased it didn't miss a beat too because we flew over heaps of very inhospitable country for 25% of the way. Avg fuel burn was 13.9 LPH and avg speed just over 100 kts. Have attached a few photos for anyone who might be interested. Pommies - again please note the weather in all photos. This is what I expect in June when I'm in the UK. Regards to all Kingsley in Oz do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 From: Fred Klein Apropos QANTAS (there...I got the spelling right Kingsley!) B707s, there was an online article a few days ago on either Slate or Huffingtonpost about John Travolta's Q/B707 parked in his front yard somewhere in Florida...pretty big personal toy... Sorry you weren't able to witness the 707's full stop landing...thanks for the pix of the fly by and low pass! Fred DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:10 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again is one of the maiden flights of the 707. Boeing was having a celebration and the aircraft overflew it as part of the party. Immediately after passing over at low altitude, the pilot aileron rolled it. THAT is s sight. Jim - A-283 Do not archive. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Fred Klein > > Apropos QANTAS (there...I got the spelling right Kingsley!) B707s, > there was an online article a few days ago on either Slate or > Huffingtonpost about John Travolta's Q/B707 parked in his front yard > somewhere in Florida...pretty big personal toy... > > Sorry you weren't able to witness the 707's full stop landing...thanks > for the pix of the fly by and low pass! > > Fred > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > >
One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again is one of the maiden flights of the 707.  Boeing was having a celebration and the aircraft overflew it as part of the party.  Immediately after passing over at low altitude, the pilot aileron rolled it.  THAT is s sight.
 
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:25 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 That Boeing is sitting at the Air & Space Museum at Dulles, along with lots of other nice aircraft. Was in the DC area over Christmas and spent the day strolling thru aviation history. Well worth the trip if you in the DC area. Steve N42AH Still For Sale _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 15:55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again is one of the maiden flights of the 707. Boeing was having a celebration and the aircraft overflew it as part of the party. Immediately after passing over at low altitude, the pilot aileron rolled it. THAT is s sight. Jim - A-283 Do not archive. lities ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Off Topic - A trip to see a B707 From: Fred Klein Jim...a quick google at "Boeing Dash 80 aileron roll" will get a rundown of this story...I believe over 300,000 people had lined the banks of Lake Washington for the unlimited hydroplane races...they sure got a special treat! Fred - A194 do not archive On Tuesday, April 10, 2007, at 12:54 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote: > One of the tapes they show on the History Channel every now and again > is one of the maiden flights of the 707.- Boeing was having a > celebration and the aircraft overflew it as part of the party.- > Immediately after passing over at low altitude, the pilot aileron > rolled it.- THAT is s sight. > - > Jim - A-283 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:44 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Sherburn-in-Elmet Thur.12th Hi Folks, The weather should stay good for the rest of the week, so how about a DOTH on Thursday?. I suggest Sherburn-in-Elmet 1200ish, voucher in Flyer. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:17 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. Brian Hutchinson a crit : > > So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design disaster?? > Routing hoses is an art more than an science. But achieving a satisfactory result is not so difficult with a little care. Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.