---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/13/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Aeropoxy 6228 (gregoryf.flyboy) 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 3. 08:32 AM - Canopy Cover (Richard Schultz) 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? (NevEyre@aol.com) 5. 11:13 AM - Sun N Fun (Fred Klein) 6. 12:08 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 7. 12:45 PM - Filling, what works for us () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:06 AM PST US From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Subject: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 Has anyone used Aeropoxy 6228 exclusively for their plane? For example, no Araldite 420 at all? If so, how has it turned out, for things such as the tailplane torque tube bushings? Thanks in advance, Greg Fuchs, A050 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:42 AM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved". I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits. Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject? Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:46 AM PST US From: "Richard Schultz" Subject: Europa-List: Canopy Cover Can someone direct me to a company in the US that makes a good canopy cover for the Europa? I know years ago there was a lot talk about a hot weather cover and a standard "hanger" cover. What is the real story and who makes the best for full on sunny outdoor weather. I talked a rep from Bruce's custom covers at OSH last year but did not take the plunge. Fly-in season is starting and I would like to have a cover to keep the dust and heat out. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:58 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes: I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved". I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits. Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject? Hi Brian et all, The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa. Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle. Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory? Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ] The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond. This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good. I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420, similar results. If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !] Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ? Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun From: Fred Klein Hi guys...turns out I'll be able to attend, 18th thru the weekend...looking forward to meeting all Europaphiles present and kick some Europa tires. I'll be checking in at the Europa booth. Are there any Europa events scheduled?...bull sessions?...dinners? Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:24 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun Fred- What seems to work well is to meet at the Europa booth at 11:00 for lunch. Lynne and I will be there Thursday (19) and Friday (20) and will probably do so. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Fred Klein > > Hi guys...turns out I'll be able to attend, 18th thru the > weekend...looking forward to meeting all Europaphiles present and kick > some Europa tires. I'll be checking in at the Europa booth. Are there > any Europa events scheduled?...bull sessions?...dinners? > > Fred > A194 > > > > >
Fred-
 
What seems to work well is to meet at the Europa booth at 11:00 for lunch.  Lynne and I will be there Thursday (19) and Friday (20) and will probably do so. 
 
Jim Puglise A-283
 
re: ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Filling, what works for us From: Figured would mention what works for us filling: Washing control surfaces in shower with "HOT" water and plain green Palmolive dish washing detergent I sewed up a big sausage (~ 10 feet long and 4 feet in diameter) out of clear vinyl ( www.mcmaster.com ) with a zipper, a muffin fan and 2 thin wall aluminium tubes to hold it in shape when zipper opened. Garbage picked electric heater 1 with fan and oscillates and 1 stationary, I mutilated thermostats and thermal fuses. We drape thin bubble wrap over sausage. Packs up very small when not in use, can hold 140F but we cooked a little longer at 135F Once post cured, went after with stiff scrub brush and post cured till dry and only handled with gloves Scuff sanded with 80 grit, then vacuum and blow off with oiless compressor Painted and wet out with Aeropoxy and 60 minute hardener, once it begins to thicken squeegee off, and don't apply Expan-cel until it is real sticky. If you use a blade too wide, or you don't wait for wet out coat to get sticky the Expan-cel mix will roll/lift off. I have seen pics of folk who fill with Expan-cel and it has a complete gloss on it. Hard to sand and heavier than it needs to be. We mixed up 6oz of resin (not including hardener) in a 8 oz cup, and would pour into a second cup with fresh stick (double cup). Then would leave some in the 8 oz cup and put a little over 2 oz into three 12 oz cups. Using a sugar scoop to add Expan-cel and get things very very dry. By scraping contents of the cup onto the walls of the cup, can squeegee very hard and get out most trapped air and mixture is thin enough to not kick off too soon. It is pretty amazing at just how well this dry mixture sticks, as long as you are going onto sticky resin base coat. We found applying with a thin very flexible putty knife works well, bout 1.25 inches wide. When we tried using a wider or stiffer knife, you need to wet out much more to get it to stick proper. This technique will not allow you to put on like a master spackler and get an immaculate finish, but you can get stuck very very dry mix with minimal bubbles. It sands easy enough if you apply a very dry mix. There is not a hint of sheen anywhere in the cup, and if only a few drops less epoxy used, the mix rolls up and crumbles. After a few cups, you can add Expan-cel and get to the roll up and crumbles stage, then get it just wet enough by scraping the corners of the cup that have a slight gloss. You can cut rounded mixing sticks to have a 90 degree edge to help get into corners. Once cured enough to transport in car, into oven. Works for us. Ron Parigoris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.